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Made in nl
Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe





Amsterdam

Hello everybody,
After a three year break from 40k I came back to find my love for nurgle has kinda vanished with all the new models and changes. But iám very excited to start a new armylist with the focus on Black legion and or World eaters (maybe even alpha legion). A lot has changed in 8th edition and I feel very lost and would like to ask you all for some help in the form of usefull tips and suggestions concerning my new armylist.
I put together a list with most of the painted models I own atm and with these models i want to make a decent army list. I dont have any tournemant play in mind but I do like my lists to be kinda min/max and viable on the tabletop witha bit of fluff sauce.

The models with a * infront and behind the name are models I would really like to consider to put in the army.
The models with ~in front and behind the name are models that could be usefull for the list but aren't a must.
Looking to build a list somewhere between 1500-2000 points
Please help me making a list and any tips or concerns are more then welcome.


*Edited*

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [70 PL, 2CP, 1222pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Black Legion

+ HQ +

Abaddon the Despoiler [12 PL, 2CP, 240pts]: Warlord

Daemon Prince with Wings [9 PL, 180pts]: Hellforged sword, Khorne, Talisman of Burning Blood

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Land Raider [19 PL, 299pts]: Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne, Twin heavy bolter, 2x Twin lascannon

Defiler [11 PL, 158pts]: Mark of Khorne, Reaper autocannon, Twin heavy flamer

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [49 PL, 851pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: World Eaters

+ HQ +

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 76pts]: Bolt pistol, Brass Collar of Borghaster, Mark of Khorne, Power maul

Exalted Champion [5 PL, 71pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Mark of Khorne

+ Troops +

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 172pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Power fist
. 8x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 8x Chainaxe

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 155pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Power fist
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 155pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Power fist
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

++ Total: [119 PL, 2CP, 2073pts] ++

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HQ:

*Abbadon*

*Daemon Prince x2*

*Kharne*

Typhus

Ahriman

Fabius Bile

*Chaos sorcerer on bike*

Chaos lord power armor/terminator armor

Chaos sorcerer power armor/terminator armor

Troops:

*Chaos cultist 42x*

*Chaos berzerkers 16x*

Chaos space marines 10x

Plague marines x22

Elites/heavy/transport:

*Spawn 5x*

~Bikes 2x~

*Obliterators 6x*

*Hellbrute 3x*

Mutilators 3x

*Helldrake 1x*

*Defiler 1x*

*Rhino 4x*

~Landraider 1 x~

Raptors x5

Terminators x5

Thanks in advance.

Greetings,

Demic

*Let the galaxy burn!*

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/02/10 07:40:10


Chaos was the law of nature; Order was the dream of man.

: 6000
: 2000  
   
Made in be
Been Around the Block




Hello Demic,
Here is a list I build from the best units you have.
I am not an huge fan of Kharn but why not...
After first look to your models I tough you could play some «yin-yang» list between Khorne and Tzeentch.

Abba is used in Black Legion detachment with cultists as the heart of the army, same as your bike sorcerer wich will use his extra speed to move up to be in range for buffing your obliterators once they deepstrike to get ennemy main threath down.

Kharn and your berserkers (2x8) will embark in rhinos with, the only model you don't have, an exalted champ, and rush into your opponent face.
One single unit of berserkers can make 50 attacks per round in melee (66 on a successfull charge), rerolling all failed hits and all failed wounds rolls.
(Btw I would recommand you to switch Kharn for a Dark Apostle, wich have a 6" aura instead of 1" and doesnt kill your own units.)

And Ahriman will come to power up your psychic phases, he will stay with the core of your army using doombolt and other buffs while the daemon prince have enough speed to follow the rhinos and act as back up, depending of the psychic spell you take (diabolic strenght, prescience or death hex recommanded) and help them in melee.
They come with a few Chaos Spawn as distraction carniflexs.
Btw you can use Fated Mutation for 1CP wich can still be fun.

Here is the 2000 pts list.
Spoiler:

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [45 PL, 691pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: World Eaters

+ HQ +

Exalted Champion [5 PL, 71pts]: Chainaxe, Chainsword, Mark of Khorne

Kharn the Betrayer [8 PL, 120pts]

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 60pts]: 11x Chaos Cultist w/ autopistol and brutal assault weapon, Mark of Khorne
. Cultist Champion: Brutal assault weapon and Autopistol

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 146pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Chainaxe, Chainsword
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 146pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Chainaxe, Chainsword
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Thousand Sons) [22 PL, 386pts] ++

+ HQ +

Ahriman [7 PL, 131pts]

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch [9 PL, 180pts]: Malefic talon, Wings

+ Fast Attack +

Chaos Spawn [2 PL, 25pts]: Chaos Spawn

Chaos Spawn [2 PL, 25pts]: Chaos Spawn

Chaos Spawn [2 PL, 25pts]: Chaos Spawn

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [49 PL, 920pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Black Legion

+ HQ +

Abaddon the Despoiler [12 PL, 240pts]

Sorcerer on Bike [8 PL, 140pts]: Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter, Force sword, Mark of Tzeentch

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Heavy Support +

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator

++ Total: [116 PL, 1997pts] ++

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/02/06 02:56:09




 
   
Made in nl
Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe





Amsterdam

Wow thanks a lot for the tips I will think about this, looks like a great army. Btw is there any software to build up a list I get lost going through three different codexes to find point values.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/02/07 10:19:22


Chaos was the law of nature; Order was the dream of man.

: 6000
: 2000  
   
Made in be
Been Around the Block




You are welcome.

I recommand you to use BattleScribe software to build army list.



 
   
Made in us
Sacrifice to the Dark Gods




Bellevue

The thing with abaddon is that you really only get value from him when he's surrounded by terminators, obliterators, and mutilators. That's the big punch he brings, everything else is supporting that. For that reason there are a lot of fail black legion lists because people think they can bring aba with some random stuff and have it be effective. I like your idea of playing undivided and using khorne and tzeentch to have their own impact. Best of luck.

An enemy within 
   
Made in be
Been Around the Block




brazenjaw wrote:
The thing with abaddon is that you really only get value from him when he's surrounded by terminators, obliterators, and mutilators. That's the big punch he brings, everything else is supporting that. For that reason there are a lot of fail black legion lists because people think they can bring aba with some random stuff and have it be effective.


I fully agree with this but remember this isn't a fully optimized list. I build it based on the units he had and he wanted to field.



 
   
Made in nl
Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe





Amsterdam

How about Abba surounded by Defiler Oblits and Landraider and ofc cultists. ?


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [62 PL, 2CP, 1120pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Black Legion

+ HQ +

Abaddon the Despoiler [12 PL, 2CP, 240pts]: Warlord

Daemon Prince with Wings [9 PL, 180pts]: Hellforged sword, Intoxicating Elixir, Slaanesh

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [6 PL, 60pts]: 11x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [12 PL, 200pts]: 39x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Slaanesh
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Heavy Support +

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [52 PL, 878pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: World Eaters

+ HQ +

Exalted Champion [5 PL, 71pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Mark of Khorne

Kharn the Betrayer [8 PL, 120pts]

+ Troops +

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 155pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Power fist
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 155pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Power fist
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 155pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Chainsword, Power fist
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: Combi-bolter, Combi-bolter, Mark of Khorne

++ Total: [114 PL, 2CP, 1998pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/02/11 21:51:41


Chaos was the law of nature; Order was the dream of man.

: 6000
: 2000  
   
Made in us
Sacrifice to the Dark Gods




Bellevue

 Demic25 wrote:
How about Abba surounded by Defiler Oblits and Landraider and ofc cultists. ? Also if Kh^rn can\t hit his own men doesnt he hurt himself on a to hit roll of 1?


I would use everything that can be dropped in from reserve, I think the limit is half your points. Have a huge turn 1 drop, and then use the landraider and other heavy support for the last 1000 points, cultists won't really have much combat value without the proper set up so your better off either bare bones'ing them just to get a battalion for the cp or simply using other stuff.

An enemy within 
   
 
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