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So perhaps the biggest news from the LVO last night is that GW is going to do another big community survey. Let us not forget after the last one we got a LOT of things which were politely asked for in the survey, including Plastic Sisters of Battle.

I would thus like to get started on what ideas and themes people might think are worth putitng into the survey this time around. Even though we don't have it yet its a good idea to have some thoughts before it lands so that we don't forget anything.


Myself I think that GW is in a very good place right now and that many armies and games are working (at a very fast rate) toward a very good standing. So much of it is keep going as you are. There are, a few things that I'd like to highlight though:

1) Bring back Tomb Kings for AoS. Many of their models still fit in the epic fantasy setting; mostly its just their core models that need a rework and, of course ,a battletome. They are very iconic and their removal was a big shock at the start of AoS.

2) Bring back a cavalry focused human faction for AoS. Perhaps less chance as it would require entirely new models; but GW has really pushed the boat out on impressive cavalry and mounts as of late. Whilst Bretonnians are likely gone in terms of theme (though they do feature in some of the Inferno stories before the Rise of the Chaos Age) it would be ideal to see if GW could be convinced to bring back the themes that that faction evoked. Esp if they could be adapte to worshipping another god or deity or ideal other than Sigmar - many kingdoms fell and whilst he is the god of many I think he needs some competition; plus there was a thousand years of chaos - plenty of time for people to give up on Sigmar and find others.

3) Longer preview/release plans. Esp for things like Battletomes and Codex, but esp for AoS it would be good to knwo a longer timeframe on releases and what armies are going/staying. Though I appreciate this one might be abit late to ask once you factor in the time to read and digest the survey results; but I think it worth putting in.

4) Using GW's new community video setup to do a "how its made" from start to finish of a GW model. I think it would be a great feature and give many an idea how much work and how many hours and what the time frames are for a model in development. From the idea to the design all the way to a plastic model with rules in our hands. I think it would go some way to easing concerns from some who can't appreciate the timescales in production that take place.

5) An tightening up of cards in their boardgames. Games like Shadspire are great, but GW keeps releasing universal cards in faction specific packs. This seems odd, esp as they've not done the game in a "collect and swap the cards" style approach. It means dedicated fans either trawl ebay (which means money is going from them to other gamers or 3rd parties and not to GW as a product is being sold twice); or have to do without certain tricks and abilities.

6) More info in the open on when products are going to leave the store. The recent removal of Greenskins really took AoS fans by surprise because of how they were mentioned as specific allies; had a White Dwarf issue the week or two before that showed the getting started in a splash page of other "skirmish" packs. Basically the army went from "oh maybe new battletome one day" to "GONE" without any so much as a word from GW. Similar there's confusion over the Killteam card packs suddenly going last chance.
GW needs to get the community site to step up their game in communicating these things BEFORE they happen and also to explain and highlight them WHEN they happen. It's not as if gamers don't notice these things and its always a negative connection when we notice and its too late or its sudden with no warning or explanation. Far more so than explaining and being up front about such matters.

7) It has no effect on me but I fully expect the international side to complain about the price hike on FW products. I also fully expect Ozland and Hobbitland to complain about the very steep rises in prices on their products compared to other territories.

I have comparatively few things to suggest but here are a few:

1) Eldar are consistently one of the top factions through soup or mono-faction, but the line desperately needs some plastic Aspect Warriors. Even the older plastics could at least do with a re-tool like the Guardians or the Falcon chassis. The details are now soft, the models are gappy and they could pack a lot more into a new sprue.

2) I would like them to open up the comments section of their youtube channel. While you'll get the obvious trolls, having open comments to ask questions or get responses like you see on platforms such as Instagram would put a lot of faith into the community and improve things even more.

3) Seconded for Bretonnians, they were a faction I wanted to start around the time of the End Times and to see that they're gone is disappointing. I know nothing of the lore, they were just a cool faction.

Merging FAQ and errata into books between print-runs, and digital versions. Rules and points are updated quite regularly, and knowing that what you have in front of you is wrong is frustrating. New players should not need to know to forget or ignore parts of the books they just bought.
It might also mean GW would put more effort into proofreading, and getting it right the first time around.

This would mean printing dates or versions would be needed. I open drop into Warhammer Digital to download rulebooks I bought there, hoping to see changes, but there is no way to tell until you find any.

One of the biggest issues for me personally with a lot of GW releases as of late is the rapid turnaround with FAQs, Errata and updated rules for Codexes/Battletomes.

As a 40K player I now have to carry around multiple books and printouts to a game and when writing an army list have to consult a minimum of 3 different publications just to work out my points.

I don't know how this would be resolved but one suggestion would be to publish a beta version of the codex in White Dwarf or online a month or so before it goes to print so that any changes brought about by community/playtester feedback can go into the publication.

I also never, ever thought I would say this but I'd like them to slow down their release schedule.... I can't keep up, lol.

Edit: ninja'd by Skineereal.

StraightSilver wrote:
One of the biggest issues for me personally with a lot of GW releases as of late is the rapid turnaround with FAQs, Errata and updated rules for Codexes/Battletomes.

As a 40K player I now have to carry around multiple books and printouts to a game and when writing an army list have to consult a minimum of 3 different publications just to work out my points.

I don't know how this would be resolved but one suggestion would be to publish a beta version of the codex in White Dwarf or online a month or so before it goes to print so that any changes brought about by community/playtester feedback can go into the publication.

I also never, ever thought I would say this but I'd like them to slow down their release schedule.... I can't keep up, lol.

Edit: ninja'd by Skineereal.

The solution unfortunately is to just use Battlescribe to make your lists, and only bother with hard copies of the rules when going to tournaments.

I will be asking for sane prices across the board, a deep tactical ruleset for 40k, and a tactical/narrative ruleset for Kill Team. And dropper bottles.

Maybe we can ask them to actually share the results this time like they promised to last time.

I want an integrated army builder for 40k that gets official updates and stamps of approval, with the ability to drop out data cards in the current format (and an outline ink saving version) with the stats for the selected weapon options and rules only.

either as a subscription service or as in a nominal sum to 'unlock' either given units or armies

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Maybe we can ask them to actually share the results this time like they promised to last time.

In fairness if its as open as the last one was its likely not very practical to show us the results. It's one thing if its just a "tick on a scale of 1 to 5" then its very easy; but when there are a lot of open text boxes the results can be tricky to tally and the results are likely more complex to display.

 Overread wrote:
In fairness if its as open as the last one was its likely not very practical to show us the results. It's one thing if its just a "tick on a scale of 1 to 5" then its very easy; but when there are a lot of open text boxes the results can be tricky to tally and the results are likely more complex to display.

Presumably GW were able to take conclusions from the open text box answers - even if that's just 'loads of people want lower prices' or similar, and they could have shared that information.
Instead all we ever got was that people wanted Sisters of battle - and they were most likely going to be revisited at some point anyway.

In fact, besides Sisters of battle did we ever get anything else which was directly referenced back to the survey results?

I'd like to see them bring back the fantasy Old World and make it a real thing again. They can use the AOS rules if they want. I mean, you could play AOS now just using models that existed back then, but I think it would be better as a real supplement or expansion. There's tons of lore and history they built up over the years, feels like it's all just dead and gone now.

Lord Damocles wrote:

 Overread wrote:
In fairness if its as open as the last one was its likely not very practical to show us the results. It's one thing if its just a "tick on a scale of 1 to 5" then its very easy; but when there are a lot of open text boxes the results can be tricky to tally and the results are likely more complex to display.

Presumably GW were able to take conclusions from the open text box answers - even if that's just 'loads of people want lower prices' or similar, and they could have shared that information.
Instead all we ever got was that people wanted Sisters of battle - and they were most likely going to be revisited at some point anyway.

In fact, besides Sisters of battle did we ever get anything else which was directly referenced back to the survey results?

Podcasts and comics. I think as well as supporting what GW were doing and wanting more there was also bringing stuff back. If you consider that GW didn't put Sisters of Silence into Custodes (despite SS having basically 1 kit) then it might well be surmised that their original plan was retire Sisters of Battle and make Sisters of Silence the "new" female marines faction. IT might also have moved them to update Sisters of Battle with more than a token update.

Necros wrote:I'd like to see them bring back the fantasy Old World and make it a real thing again. They can use the AOS rules if they want. I mean, you could play AOS now just using models that existed back then, but I think it would be better as a real supplement or expansion. There's tons of lore and history they built up over the years, feels like it's all just dead and gone now.

Honestly I think its just wishlisting. GW has moved on from the Old World; at best we are getting the old books being redone in new editions and collected volumes from Black Library and there's Warhammer Total War. Game licences as the most likely place to see the old world now and even there I'd wager GW is now signing AoS titles not Old World ones. I don't think they can go back now; AoS has been out too long and had too much invested into it to turn the tables back.

Updated Khorne Berzerkers with more chainaxes would be nice.

Squats.

Yes. I’m being quit’s serious. We’ve seen the Imperium expanded in terms of armies. And Chaos has had some of the same treatment with Legion Codecies. But Xenos are lagging behind with just GSC (very nice they are too)

New or updated Imperial Guard infantry plastics. The current range of Cadian and Catachan plastics are woefully underwhelming at this point.

1. Prices. They're insane.
2. Regular Prices. Why are people overseas sometimes paying double for what the minis costs people in the UK?
3. FW Prices. Why did FW prices basically double overnight for Oz/NZ/Japan/etc., especially when the items are being shipped from the same place. You can't even use the "importing is expensive" excuse?
4. Cards. Sort your gak out GW and either invest in your own printing services, or stop making cards that are intrinsic to gameplay but cannot be purchased 'cause you ran out and can't get more.
5. Marines. Will we ever get a new Marine release, or is 100% Primaris 100% of the time from now on?
6. Miniature design. Your miniatures look better than ever, but are less modular and more restrictive than they have been since days of mono-pose 2-piece Warhammer minis. Please stop that.

1. AoS Kill Team (assuming Warcry isn't already it). Especially the killzones and terrain.

2. Not sure if this counts as GW, but I think Specialist Games need more frequent releases. Necromunda is moving at a crawl, and while AT seems like it is doing fine, but I think everybody is waiting for it to turn into Epic and don't want to wait 6 years for that to happen. And if they are planning on Battlefield Gothic, quarterly releases just won't cut it. Blood Bowl is fine with quarterly releases, but that's the only one. And they need more plastic releases instead of relying on the absurdly expensive ForgeWorld stuff (I mean, I need my kidneys, so make products I can afford without selling them).

3. Jesus Christ, would it kill GW to produce cards that are regular sized? It is impossible to find card sleeves or convenient storage solutions.

4. They stopped doing full painting tutorials on Warhammer TV. I guess knowing how to paint just a model's pants has some value, but I really liked when a new starter set came out and they showed you how to paint everything in it, start to finish. That really helped me as an inexperienced painter, and I'd like for them to return to doing those more often. Especially stuff like Blackstone Fortress and Rogue Trader should have more beginning-to-end painting tutorials for all the models.

1: Scrap Chapter approved as it is and roll any changes out at a single PDF

2: Fix the Eldar range, its awful and no i dont care if you "like it" or its "held up well" the models are old and need sorting out, they are near chaos levels of bad right now.

3: Create a set of rules akin to WFB to allow people the option to play legacy hammer rather than AOS with AOS models.



Pie in the sky stuff

1: remove primaris marines and have them as upgrades to current marines, so a tactical squad can upgrade to primaris tacticals and keep all options, including transport options.

2: bring back tomb kings

3: remove allies as an option for matched play or severely limit the ability to share CP
















Fix grey knights

 Overread wrote:
1) Bring back Tomb Kings for AoS. Many of their models still fit in the epic fantasy setting; mostly its just their core models that need a rework and, of course ,a battletome. They are very iconic and their removal was a big shock at the start of AoS.

Yeah, seriously this. The Warsphinx and Tomb Guards are already fairly "modern" kits. Skeletons wouldn't be hard to design. Chariots either, really.

Or at least do a "Made to Order" for the stuff that exists, especially the plastics. The cost to crank out a run of Sphinxes would be laughably small, because the mold already exists.

 Sqorgar wrote:
3. Jesus Christ, would it kill GW to produce cards that are regular sized? It is impossible to find card sleeves or convenient storage solutions.

Well of course not. How else are they going to sell you their card sleeves?

but they don't sell warscroll card sleeves!

 Overread wrote:
but they don't sell warscroll card sleeves!

They are basically 4"x6", but are just slightly too wide. You can make them fit by shaving off just a fraction of a fraction of an inch from the card, or by using 4x6 top loaders, which are designed for sleeved cards so they have just a little bit extra width inside. They also fit the big cards in Monsterpocalypse and the character cards from Blackstone Fortress - luckily, cards that are few in number so that having giant hard sleeves isn't a problem.

And for the mission cards in Kill Team, they make 5x7 photo portfolios that fit the cards perfectly, so you can keep a little book of mission cards that you can flip through.

The real problem is that oversized tarot cards they use in Necromunda, Blood Bowl, and everything else. They don't fit any sleeves and though you can put them in index card boxes, there's a lot of space at the top which causes them to knock around a lot. I'm looking forward to the Necromunda sleeves SO MUCH.

I'd like them to start making their own cards/dice and accessories in house. So there isn't a supply issue and them having to commission another print run from god knows where.

But I will be asking for a chaos dwarf blood bowl team, at the very least.

If it comes before the Slaanesh news, I’m asking for a named Keeper of Secrets (practically a given), Azazel getting a new sculpt and rules (going back to the old world, he’s Sigmar’s most hated foe, and more than worthy of being a major antagonist in AoS), and Heralds on chariots/steeds actually existing in the codex and not just the index. I’ll be happy with that. Oh, and infantry that look like Hellstriders as well.

1. SLOW THE feth DOWN!!!
2. STOP PUTTING RULES IN WHITE DWARF!!! This practice is so disastrous; such a lousy and terrible idea. 'Let's make game rules that will be published and only available for a month or two before becoming scarce and eventually unattainable.'
3. Cards... Get your gak together!
3a. Stop making gaming aids that are intrinsic to game play in limited quantities. These items must be made available 100% of the time.
3b. Don't short change us on needed cards (e.g. The AdMech pack should have contained cards for the Canticles.)
4. Despite being beautiful, please stop making models that are completely impractical to use in a game, nigh impossible to handle without breaking and even more difficult to transport.
5. Return to completely painting newly released models on WarhammerTV.
6. Be forthcoming with the fate of Space Marines.

Fix Grey Knights

40k Arbites Rules

Squats, or something like them.

Kroot Merc. Rules

1. PLEASE, don't just stealth remove stuff from the webstore. Give AT LEAST 1 week last chance to buy.

2. Bring back old dogs of war for made to order.

3. And a new dogs of war range for AOS

4. Open youtube comments.

1. Primaris... No! They are out of scale for 40k, so release more proper marines. Treating them as specialist troops is ok(ish), but not at the expense of real marines.
2. Warhammer TV is a great tool for painting, it helps with seeing what the detail is intended to be (some of us are getting old )
3. Don't forget Inquisition, Rogue Traders and other 'minor' factions of the Imperium need a codex. No problem with them all lumped together in one, or in their own book.
4. There have been 2 Rogue Traders released in games, both have the same stats, same fixed load out and that is all they have in common. The keywords are different, and 5 points difference. Include game figures in the FAQ when rules are supplied for their use in 40k.
5. Kill Team... make enough copies to last until the next starter set. Keep the cards in stock, even if on a kanban/JIT system.
6. Red plastic!! It is a pain to paint.
7. Loving '40,000 Conquest'. Consider a similar subscription system for AoS and/or Kill Team. On the subject of Conquest, bring back Frankie and his tutorials.



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 cuda1179 wrote:
Kroot Merc. Rules

If you mean what I hope you do.... YES!!!!!

-plastic Eldar aspects and phoenix lords
-Squats
-more painting videos of new releases as they were doing
-a little more variety in the Primaris releases (god not another Lt holding a sword up) and options (let 'em ride in other transports for pity's sake...)

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
2) I would like them to open up the comments section of their youtube channel. While you'll get the obvious trolls, having open comments to ask questions or get responses like you see on platforms such as Instagram would put a lot of faith into the community and improve things even more.

They've covered this on Facebook before. They don't have the manpower to cover the comments on over 1,100 videos. You can still ask your questions via Facebook and it's much easier for them and the rest of the community to have all of the discussion in one place..