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2019/02/11 21:04:13
Subject: Terminator 6 - Dark Fate. Now with added trailer!
Denofgeek have been speaking to the birdies, and it seems the sixth Terminator film (which ignores the last three and follows on from Judgement Day) has a working title of Dark Fate.
Arnie returns once again, presumably as a Terminator, as does Linda Hamilton, confirmed to be reprising Sarah Connor.
No release date as yet, but expected toward the end of the year.
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Interested in it because of Linda Hamilton and because I've never not enjoyed Mackenzie Davis in anything. Tbh my sentimentality for the first two was so worn down by the other sequels that my reaction to hearing about this was "Eh, might as well".
Good god, the Terminator and Predator franchises, skipping down the street hand in hand.
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While i'm delighted to hear the most recent efforts are 'dumped', I can't get excited as there's been too much junk in the since there's been a good movie
and much as I hate to say it Arnie is basically going to be too old (and Linda Hamilton too depending on how the scripts done)
Ultimately, the franchise has lost its way by forgetting that in the future, humanity wins. All of the time travel stuff happens because Skynet falls, humanity wins and while the world is devastated by the war, we still win it. Skynet is the one who instigates and ultimately needs the do over, but after T2 turned the do over into an opportunity for a better win, the series seemed to focus on the idea that if they can't stop the war from starting, humanity is essentially finished; maybe not so much in T3, but definitely by 4.
Yep, gotta say T2 was the high water mark for the franchise (the original even being a tough watch nowdays). The Predator set an all-time low for the history of action movie franchises...so on the plus side, it's essentially impossible for a Terminator sequel to be worse than that.
Small victories?
PS: I'd rather these franchises die than keep getting progressively worse. My childhood has already taken enough of a beating.
I feel I need to speak in defence of the Terminator sequels. Now, for absolute clarity, this isn’t meant to challenge opinions or call peeps wrong. That’s a dead end right there. Instead, it’s just my reasons for kinda liking each of them, despite knowing they’re far from great.
Terminator 3 - Rise of the Machines Odd ‘comedy’ beats aside, this was rather fun. Yes the Terminatrix didn’t really land or convince, but the actual story itself is quite a good addition. John’s monologue about Skynet and the Internet covered something the originals couldn’t. The scenes where we see Skynet take its first steps really is pretty cool, especially seeing precursors to their main weapons giving it a bit of Dakka.
Flawed, but not entirely without merit.
Terminator Salvation
Definitely the low point of the franchise. It doesn’t sit particularly well with the others, and massively disappointed with the Future War sections by barely featuring it at all.
But, part of its flaw was revealing the prototype Terminator as part of he hype. I think opinion might be better had they managed to keep that under wraps.
Whlist it’s pretty weak overall as a Terminator film, it’s a pretty reasonable sci-fi action flick. Cinematography is decent, effects are solid. It just didn’t quite set out it’s stall, and wasted various opportunities.
Terminator Genisys
I for one really enjoyed this one, and I’m bummed we won’t get to see the plot resolved. As T3 touched on the Internet, Genisys tried to apply the lens of social media type stuff. Again it didn’t quite succeed, but it was a decent enough try.
What I really enjoyed about it was Skynet’s use of time travel. After all, T3 established that Skynet could hide a version of itself somewhere online biding its time. Who knows how far into the future it lurked before coming back as Dr Who to shank up John Connor and turn him into a patsy.
Lots of potential which with a bit of spit and polish could’ve done better, but still the best sequel after T2. I really am disappointing that arc will never be resolved. They could at least do a graphic novel or two, no?
The Sarah Connor Chronicles
I’ll be brief.....
YOU CANNOT LEAVE US ON A CLIFF HANGER LIKE THAT! What a cracking little series. Imperfect again, but bloody interesting. And frankly, anything with Shirley Manson is gonna get my vote anyways, as I’ve been deeply in lust with her since I was an innocent(ish) teenage boy.
Where that plot could’ve gone? Well, if I’m honest it probably would’ve sunk rather swum. Because that’s how tellyboxshows sometimes go. The ambition outstrips the ability, and an interesting premise becomes a hot mess. Yet, what might’ve been will always, always bug me, as I’ll never find out :(
In summary
None of them live up to the first two. And I think Terminator 2 is held in particularly high regard because, barring the deleted scenes, the first one just didn’t need a sequel. It resolved its own plot quite nicely. So when we got something that only added to the mythos, we were all the more blown away.
Yet, hand on heart, I cannot call any of the further sequels as actual genuine garbage, though Salvation comes close. Their only crime was not hitting (or approaching, Salvation the very high bar set by the first two. I for one certainly don’t regret the time and money spent watching them.
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The Nanobot terminator was pretty great. I was waiting for a 6" figure of him to come out as the robotic muscle over skeleton so that I could convert it into a C'tan. But alas... no toys for Genysis.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
I like T2, it’s a good film. However I enjoy The Terminator more. Partly because it’s a closed story, whereas T2 obviously requires the first film. It’s better focussed too, I think.
If I fancy T2 but can’t be bothered with the plank playing John Connor there’s always Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey.
Shame on the people that actually go to see these terrible brand extensions (or reboots) and then run to the internet to cry about how just how bad they were, as if anything is ever going to change as long as you keep giving them money to put no effort in.
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T3 isn't all that bad; its just a very poor sequel to T2.
Salvation is one of those movies obviously marred by studio meddling but in truth probably wouldn't have been that good if left to the original vision either. Someone needed to step in long before the "I'm retconning my new character to be the real hero" concept got as far as it did.
Never saw Genesys.
I think if SCC had continued the ongoing premise had interesting potential. They were clearly building towards an idea that the conflict had escalated into a literal time war, with J-Day serving as something of a 4th dimensional line of battle. It probably wouldn't have really worked, but it was a potentially interesting way to shift the onging conflict given they had long since exhausted the original premise.
Riquende wrote: Hah hah hah... no. No, I won't be watching this.
Shame on the people that actually go to see these terrible brand extensions (or reboots) and then run to the internet to cry about how just how bad they were, as if anything is ever going to change as long as you keep giving them money to put no effort in.
So you're saying that there's no Fate Terminator 6 but what we (allow them to continue to) make?
Studios continue to churn out artless 'sequels' to classic franchises hoping to cash in on the nostalgia factor. They must be making a certain amount of money, or the practice would have ceased by now. So some people at least, presumably fans of the classic films, are spending money. And then, because (my impression is) these films are bad they go online and complain about them.
Simple solution - ignore all decades-late sequels, reboots etc, don't give these artisically bankrupt studios any recompense for their 'effort' and they might have to then produce something exciting and new.
“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
Riquende wrote: Studios continue to churn out artless 'sequels' to classic franchises hoping to cash in on the nostalgia factor. They must be making a certain amount of money, or the practice would have ceased by now. So some people at least, presumably fans of the classic films, are spending money.
Idk though, are they fans as such? It's probably a self fulfilling routine to some extent. Studios pump huge money and resource into titles they think have an established value to viewers, but maybe casual movie goers who are in a theatre look for the movies that feel like they have the most money and resources poured into them.
I doubt that hardcore Terminator or Predator fans made up most of the audiences for the last few iterations of either, I'd guess they were just the most explodey movies Joe Punter hadn't seen yet that week. People who were above the age rating to see the first Terminator movie in 1984 are at least twenty years past the average American movie goers age by now.
Riquende wrote: Studios continue to churn out artless 'sequels' to classic franchises hoping to cash in on the nostalgia factor. They must be making a certain amount of money, or the practice would have ceased by now. So some people at least, presumably fans of the classic films, are spending money. And then, because (my impression is) these films are bad they go online and complain about them.
Simple solution - ignore all decades-late sequels, reboots etc, don't give these artisically bankrupt studios any recompense for their 'effort' and they might have to then produce something exciting and new.
If i did that i would have missed the truely great blade runner 2049. Il continue to roll the dice thank you.
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I enjoyed all the terminator movies.. the first 2 are the best, but I'll still watch any of them. So I'll check this out when it hits cable or netflix, we rarely get out to the theaters anymore these days.
Movies do not come cheap. Especially sci-fi, which tends to involve pricey effects etc.
Now, if you’re a studio exec, do you go for ‘the name will likely see us break even’, or ‘well I like it, let’s spend a few dozen million on a punt’.
Ultimately, we do get both. Horror in particular is seeing a resurgence (or was at least) because you can do a lot with very little. See Paranormal Activity and it’s frankly redonkulous margins. That one alone set up a number of sequels and imitators, because they’re cheap and in vogue with the movie going public.
Something like Terminator? That has to come with a minimum budget. Surely. To the point it’s probably why we’ve not had a full future war movie - it’d be damned expensive. The others had relatively modest budgets, and thus had an easier time making at least some money.
To fund an entirely new film? Far riskier proposition. Especially if a script could be tweaked and reworked into a more familiar franchise.
And that friends is why we tend to see remakes, sequels and prequels. They’re just more appealing to producers and financiers. They can provide a sort of ‘baseline’ income in most cases, whilst they wait to stumble on The Next Big Thing.
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All of that is true, but the fact that the vast majority of their output is now reboots and remakes and sequels and prequels means we're in a situation where we're a lot less likely to get a "next big thing", because where's it going to come from? Even adaptations from other media are getting thinner on the ground unless they've been made into a film previously.
It's also an attitude that's pretty cancerous to existing properties - look at the way Kurtzman & Bad Robot have been trying to "reconfigure" Star Trek into a looser, less tonally-consistent "endless multiverse" concept so it can support an endless MCU-style parade of stuff with only the thinnest threads of connecting tissue. They're still constantly pushing for new audiences, except now they're doing it by "retooling" existing IPs, and not ones that have been lying dormant for decades to the point that if they have a fandom at all, it's tiny and/or largely ironic, but stuff that's still fresh and firmly defined in the minds of often pretty large groups of fans who now find the things they deeply enjoy being warped into something else, and their character attacked if they criticise those decisions.
The whole point of the studios is supposed to be that they're big enough to take those risks, that they can take a punt on some no-name scriptwriter and their wild idea and if it doesn't work out, oh well, it's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of their total turnover. The normal corporate conception of "risk management" is antithetical to the basic operation of the studio system, driving them as it does towards making fewer and fewer bigger and bigger "four-quadrant" blockbusters, which in the end actually proves even riskier because every single one has to be a huge success for them to keep functioning.
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In practice it only takes two successful or failed blockbuster films a year to complete reverse the financial success of a studio, whatever the other films they may publish.
Sony has been a good example of this for years. When they get a couple of big-selling superhero flicks out it's champagne all round. If their main blockbusters fail at the box office, the company accounts are cast in gloom.
I've not had a chance to watch yet, and won't until after work. But exciting(ish) all the same. Particularly as, to recap, this is a sequel to T2, and ignores the other sequels entirely.
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