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As the title suggests. Am appeal to be able to discuss political topics that effect wargaming such as censorship, identity politics agenda.

Why we're already talkeing about whith the new female commissar that's designed to look androgynous.

Please don't ban for asking for an appeal for being allowed basic rights of speech.

Whenever these discussions are allowed it always leads to a toxic, salty mess. In my experience the discussions seem to take over threads unrelated too.

This forum is for discussing toy soldiers and games related to them. If you want to discuss politics and the like there are other forums suited to your needs.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Whenever these discussions are allowed it always leads to a toxic, salty mess. In my experience the discussions seem to take over threads unrelated too.

This forum is for discussing toy soldiers and games related to them. If you want to discuss politics and the like there are other forums suited to your needs.

I think this really sums it up. Esp online these topics just tend to attract a lot of anger and passion in the community and people get really riled up about them. It can lead to a lot of arguments that often spill into other threads and which can have a lasting impact when users turn on each other. It makes a lot of work for mods behind the scenes and often results in suspensions and bans and generally very unhappy members.


It's just not the platform to discuss these subjects nor really something that I think is desirable in the community on Dakka to have. Ergo sure we can debate those topics but the end outcome is nearly always going to be a locked thread and a lot of mess.

There's loads of other forums on the net where one can debate such topics without end; heck there's probably reddit and facebook groups dedicated purely to these kinds of topics.

The Allfather wrote:


Please don't ban for asking for an appeal for being allowed basic rights of speech.

Additionally, freedom of speech is not guaranteed by DakkaDakka; it is usually considered a right by governments, and so long as the government does not censor your speech, individual entities, such as forums, are free to impose whatever restrictions they deem fit.

Whenever I see something labeled as "Toxic" rarely do I agree. As it's a very subjective opinion.

In order to think freely you're going to have to risk offense. Otherwise it's ommision or lies. Which is damaging to mental health. We're so afraid of words.. that's the krux. Words.. they're only able to affect you emotionally if you you're self, being self aware in the drivers seat of your perception is reactive to the stimulus. Or it's your choice to be mad.


I'm sure that yes some stupidity happens but no less than any other thread. I don't understand why we can't talk about the sweeping culture changes effecting everything.

Are we allowed or not allowed to talk about the new commissar or not? Can we only say we like it ? Or is saying it's potentially political taboo.

Where is the line now?

The Allfather wrote:


Where is the line now?

The line is - talk about miniature wargaming. Don't bring politics into it.

Where it's actually relevant to the topic, a certain amount of leeway will likely be allowed, but there is no way to draw a specific line in the sand here. It's going to be on a case-by-case basis, and where a topic goes too far away from what we deem acceptable, we'll either nudge it back on track or shut it down, as appropriate to the situation at hand.

We've been down this road. It's just not worth the headaches. We're not here to facilitate political change, we're here to talk about toy soldiers.

Dakka allows Brother Vinnie and Kingdom Death to be discussed in their related threads and the mods do a good job of keeping those threads clean.

I am happy with the current rules, as even with them there are regular posters trying to derail the threads, without them I cannot imagine how they would function.

This is a private forum. Freedom of speech does not apply, at all.

edited by ingtaer.

In my Mess it is forbidden to discuss politics or religion. It's a very sensible policy, sometimes more honoured in the breach I'm afraid, but one that should apply in specialist forums such as this.

 Peregrine wrote:
This is a private forum. Freedom of speech does not apply, at all.

It didn't take long for this to return did it.

But no the politics should remain gone.

No.

And I mean absolutely not.

And I'm what people would consider "right wing" (at least in the current year), and am 100% all about free speech.

But on here, it turns into a dumpster fire made of AIDs in a matter of seconds. And, I'll say it honestly- in the past, it seemed like some mods were selective about what counted as 'being rude' or 'flaming' depending on who said it and what side of the argument you were on.

And I think to avoid that whole mess, the mods made the right call to purge it all.

It's an invitation for people to start trying to turn this place into a cesspit (again) and to be quite honest, there are individuals here that I disagree with politically but I find their insight on the hobby to be great, and I like being brought closer to those people more than being pushed away from them.

Please no. The site was an absolute mess when politics was allowed on it. Getting rid of politics on the forum was the best decision ever.

I dunno, I personally kind of enjoyed the occasionally heated and or controversial topics that used to crop up on this forum. It made for some entertaining and even better...amusing reading.

As above. Politics here just devolves. Neither "side" plays nice and it just becomes a gak-show.

It's a forum for wargames. Lots of *other* places to voice concerns about politics.

Opps i stuffed this message up.


Was trying to say that im trying o explain why his appeal is warranted and if you think im trying to talk about politics instead then can't help you.

Any way you're behavior is what causes gak shows

No, we will not be opening Off Topic back up to political and religious discussion.

And that kind of discussion will also not be allowed in this thread.

Thanks.

I still say you should contain it to a DCM thread.

Why is this thread still open?

That way you have to pay for your poison?

Edit: That was for BCB, in case anyone was confused.

I don’t even get it. What the hell is even political about this mini that has literally one single user up in arms over it? Is this how the days get spent now? Man, bring back the guy who text-dumped pages of quotes about Eternals named Old Person. I feel like this is the very definition of “put it on your personal blog and don’t turn the forum into a nonsensical soapbox”.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I don’t even get it. What the hell is even political about this mini that has literally one single user up in arms over it? Is this how the days get spent now? Man, bring back the guy who text-dumped pages of quotes about Eternals named Old Person. I feel like this is the very definition of “put it on your personal blog and don’t turn the forum into a nonsensical soapbox”.

From the OP's other thread

Reason 1. Political biased enforcement of the rules on a case by case basis from mods.

Reason 2. Increased global interests in progressive indoctrination, propaganda and censorship effecting gaming as a whole.

Reason 3. Androgynous commissar. Clearly a political based progressive miniature. That in order to talk about violates the rules of Dakkdakka simply by posting a picture of it.

Thanks again.

Censorship in all forms in every iteration is the act of a cowards. Unmistakably evil.

Apparently its a politically progressive miniature. I've no idea what that means

 Overread wrote:
Apparently its a politically progressive miniature. I've no idea what that means

Argue all you like about the politics of a female Commissar model being 'political'. You can tell who isn't really into the game and hobby if they're not pointing at her terrible rules and absurd points cost.

It's like GW looked at the current state of Commissars and said "That's pretty useless, but I think we can go dumber."

Also even if I were inclined to play guard again, and someone gave me this model as a gift? I would accept it gracefully, and so as not to hurt their feelings I'd just paint her hair brown or something and use her as a regular Lord Commissar.

If nothing else, for Kill-Team she might make an interesting proxy for Elucia Vhane alongside some guard vets and interesting kitbashes for anyone who liked their rules but not the models.

EDIT

The only thing that is as absurdly stupid as MAGA-NAZIS FASCISM REDNECKS ARE EVERYWHERE tripe is the SJWOOWOOS AGENDA TRANS-FEMINIST COMMIE-HIPPIES ARE TAKING OVER drivel. FFS, if someone's ideas are idiotic, don't put them on par with the Illuminati. Either of those two types of things I've mentioned are absolutely irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of people, the modern day urban-legend FLGS boogeyman. And when they DO exist, they're so detrimental enough to the business/community/activity that they quickly find themselves purged or leave behind the smoldering remains of whatever establishment/group/product indulged them as a testament of their folly to all others.

At worst, we disagree about a lot of things but we're reasonable enough that we'd rather not have the ONE THING we all enjoy smeared with political/ideological/religious excrement from individuals with some kind of weird outrage/conflict fetish.

So let's all focus on what's really important- hating people who play Tau.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
What the hell is even political about this mini that has literally one single user up in arms over it?

Apparently making a female model that isn't a porn star precisely suited to the OP's tastes is a "political statement", because the only possible reason there could be for having a female commissar wearing a standard commissar uniform is that it's some kind of SJW plot to destroy the hobby and even acknowledging the existence of this commissar model means advancing the SJW FEMINAZI agenda.

No, it doesn't make any sense, and that's why I commented that nothing of value has been lost in this case even though I think that the general "no politics" rule is idiotic.

Octopoid wrote:and so long as the government does not censor your speech, individual entities, such as forums, are free to impose whatever restrictions they deem fit.

That's extremely debatable.

Horizontal effect is, or can be, a thing.

Censorship in all forms in every iteration is the act of a cowards. Unmistakably evil.

I find myself vaguely curious as to whether insulting someone whilst in the act of asking them to go out of their way to accommodate one's preferences has ever actually worked.

But only vaguely. I think we've said all that needs to be said here.

Moving on.