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As an owner of these two vehicles and the continued ignorance of these two by GW despite still selling them for a premium price at warhammer world I feel these models need an update to their rules so I propose what you will find below to make them better vehicles

Land raider excelsior [200 points]

3+ / 2+ / / / / 2+ (feeling lazy and not posting the other stats as they aren't changing )

Wargear doesn't change so that's staying as is but wargear costs are taken from your codex and chapter approved now not the index

Special rules:

Command aquila: this model has a 5+ invulnerable save

Rod of Command: friendly Imperium keyword models within 18" of this model (and the model itself) may re-roll any failed to hit rolls.

Command-vox uplink: while within 12" of a friendly rhino primaris or a [Chapter Master] keyword model and spending command points roll a D6, on the result of a 6 those command points are not lost.

Rhino primaris [45]

Wargear no changes but the relay drops from 50 points to 25

Rules: no changes

Honestly the rhino primaris is fine and just needed a cost drop and going from 175 to something more like 95 is a more acceptable machine


we improve the aura effect in the spirit of the excelsiors original rules and it's 18" bubble it uses to produce. And by improving the ballistics skills to a 2+ (which doesn't effect it's damage chart by the way) frees up its Harmony with rhino primaris gimmick power to be used on something else. I find this a fluffy and acceptable change. while potentially game swinging letting you refund 3 CP off a monster command ability a more likely outcome is you'd see it being used to refund 1 or 2 CP abilities as this is still an expensive pair hitting up closer to 375 (Down from 575 in the index). And a 6+ to do it only makes it likely in like a 6 turn game with heavy CP useage and because you need to still spend this 3CP in order to activate the ability it drives you towards gambling on top of gambling but with the option of taking a keyword CM instead of the primaris you maybe could take a different model that retains its effectiveness

36” of reroll hits seems a bit excessive. That tank is somehow better at distributing buffs than a primarch.

And the Imperium hardly stuggles for regenerating CP. I don’t think they need another way to do it. Especially if it refunds all of the CPs. I’d drop chapter master from that ability as well. Most lists are already going to take a CPT so it’s too easy to access that ability.

These rules get crazier when you take soup into account. Does anyone want to see Knights refilling all failed hits or see stupid combinations of guard orders with reroll hits on top of that?

36" explain its got 18", if your implying youd run two of these for a sumtotal of 618pts for the 36? while you do measure it from the hull at most youll hit maybe 20.5" thats not many points left in a 1500pts list

as for granting it to every imperium thats fine, im fine with a downgrade to "adeptus astartes" keyword instead

and maybe removing chapter master is fine from it but it costs more then the primaris so i didnt see the harm, some army keywords within the astartes dont even have a chapter master such as imperial fists who only gots lysander

Sorry, I was looking at its diameter. It does on reach state 18” but it does that in all direction. there’s a a circle 36” across with the land raider at the center where units can be buffed. That’s a lot of table space. It would be very easy to give your entire army reroll to hits.

The issue is that the captain in most likely already in the list. How many space marine lists don’t take a captain of some flavor? Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t there a stratagem to make any captain a chapter master? Paying the CP for it will most likely pay for itself in a 5 turn game.