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Okay, I get that people need to make a living selling this stuff,and you don't have to buy it if you don't want it, but who thought this was reasonable?

Wrath & Glory Core Rules: $59.99 this is the least egregious of all the prices.450 full color pages, all the rules you need to play, no Monster Manual or DM's guide equivalents needed to play

Wrath & Glory Starter Set: $49.99 Why? Not only is the contents comparable to other $29.99 starter sets, but for $10 more just buy the full game. Who thinks, I dunno $59.99 is a bit much to risk to find out if I like the game, so let me spend $49.99 to see if I like it, with a disposable starter set ?

Wrath & Glory Game Master's Screen: $19.99. 3 pages of charts you find in the book, but not the cards, printed on cardboard. that's it. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the good old days when GM screens had a black and white pamphlet with an adventure in it or something, to make it more worth while.

Wrath & Glory Dark tides Adventure $29.99 5 advenures, full color book, 130 pages. Not going to complain about this.

Wrath & Glory Wrath Deck $19.99 55 card deck to use instead of rolling 2d6 and consulting a chart to determine critical hits.

Wrath & Glory Campaign Card Deck $19.99 55 card deck to use to annoy your GM. This was an alight mechanic from TORG, where reality manipulation was a thing, but hey sure, Your terminator runs twice as far this turn for no story reason other than you had a card in your hand. They are optional, no chart included in the rulebook for them. I have a set, and I don't know if I'm going to use them.

Wrath & Glory Combat Complications Deck $19.99 55 card deck to use if rolling on a chart or making a call on the fly, is too taxing for your GM.

Wrath & Glory: Wargear Card Pack $19.99 55 card deck to use if 1 line descriptions of your wargear is too much to write down or remember. Honestly, this info should be written on your character sheet. It might be nice for a GM to hand out as loot, I guess, but an index would do the job.I guess this has the same target audience for the same people who play D&D and need a card for their longsword.

Wrath and Glory - Talents and Psychic Powers Card Pack $14.99 Again, this is stuff that you should have written on your character sheet. You likely have 1-3 to keep track of at most.

Wrath and Glory - Perils of the Warp Deck $19.99 If you play a Psyker and you peril, use these instead of rolling 2d6 and looking at a chart.

Wrath and Glory RPG - Battle Map $19.99 Dry erase battle mat if you want all your encounters to happen on the same map.

Wrath and Glory - Tokens $19.99 Keeping track of those single digit Wrath and Glory totals? We have poker ships for that.

Sounds like what theyve been doing with 40k for a couple editions. Playing Maelstrom? Totally buy this $20 card deck to shuffle and draw new objectives from instead of rolling on the chart!



Good news is that generally most of the stuff is not required, and the people who just want to play without going all in can do so.

Wrath & Glory is what happens when you try to give every single person what they want, but cram it all into one book.

You get a watered-down, overpriced product that offers something generic for everyone and a whole lot of garbage that will never get used.

It has all the flavor and freshness of a loaf of bread that fell behind the fridge before the Holidays.

Just a cursory look at how the rules work, and how this book is written made me suspect that it was marketed towards gullible people. The prices and accessories for idiots that haven't learned how to use a pencil... well, that completely removed any doubts I have.

If you get this book in any way other than a PDF from Polish Vacation Photos, you're getting ripped off. This book could be free in stacks across the street from my apartment and it wouldn't be worth the rubber that wears off the soles of my shoes to go grab one.

Vaktathi wrote:Sounds like what they've been doing with 40k for a couple editions. Playing Maelstrom? Totally buy this $20 card deck to shuffle and draw new objectives from instead of rolling on the chart!

Good news is that generally most of the stuff is not required, and the people who just want to play without going all in can do so.

You are right, and I think that is the problem. I think they saw people gobbling up a deck with each codex and thought they could do the same, but it's really an apples to oranges comparison.
At least 40K spaced those decks out so that you might impulse buy them as they came along.

That $15 maelstrom deck doesn't matter much when it complements a $160 starter, $40 Codex, and the hundreds, if not thousands, you've spent on an army.

The Wrath and Glory Decks combined cost more than the Core rules, more than double if you buy the tokens.

Adeptus Doritos wrote:Wrath & Glory is what happens when you try to give every single person what they want, but cram it all into one book. You get a watered-down, overpriced product that offers something generic for everyone and a whole lot of garbage that will never get used.

I'm guessing you were a fan of the old 40K RPGs. I'm not interested in re-hashing the battle of which version is better in this thread.

I actually like Wrath & Glory. It has its faults, but it is entirely playable.

My biggest issue is where they spent their resources during development. Those cards packs are going to sit on retail and warehouse shelves until someone buys them up on clearance at $4.99 a pack. That was time and money that could have been spent on the Necron and Tau campaign books or a bestiary of some sort.

So it's a 60-90 dollar game, if you want the adventures, with an additional 215 bucks of nonessential peripherals?

I'm not offended by that at all. I personally love it when good games are made cheap for me because people by prestige items like item cards or chart replacement cards.

And of course most importantly- is it good?

I think it just bothered me because I'm a completionist who likes to collect all the official stuff from my favorite RPGs.

Anyways, a bit of time on excel and I have my own game masters screen, campaign cards, and wrath/glory/ruin tokens on poker chips.

Running a one shot tonight. If it goes well I'll likley pick up the campaign book.

Ill take a stab here @ Adamsouza

It goes without saying but remember licensing costs, which im sure GW is pretty high. Best thing I would say is compare it to another licensed RPG. Im sure theres many but cant come up with one off the top of my head.

The only thing I think is bad is the starter box. That should at the least be half price. Anyone in their right mind will just buy the core book.

As for most of the other items, its all fluff. You want cards or dice? You want cards, it costs money but can save time/is convenient. You want dice, its free, just need to flip or mark the pages or photo copy the page I guess.

While to some of us on dakka, it may seem nuts or way high in certain aspects, the market is proven. Their audience is people with disposable incomes AKA 40k players. 40k players are very used to spending the extra money for card decks now or added supplements.

I wonder how much the very long delay between the Gencon premiere and the actual public release just a month or two ago. I remember bumping the news thread after months of inactivity on this, one of if not the, most active 40k centric forum on the internet.

 adamsouza wrote:

My biggest issue is where they spent their resources during development. Those cards packs are going to sit on retail and warehouse shelves until someone buys them up on clearance at $4.99 a pack. That was time and money that could have been spent on the Necron and Tau campaign books or a bestiary of some sort.

This is one of the many reasons exactly as to why I will no longer be playing Wrath and Glory. At least for a looooooong while.

 adamsouza wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:Sounds like what they've been doing with 40k for a couple editions. Playing Maelstrom? Totally buy this $20 card deck to shuffle and draw new objectives from instead of rolling on the chart!

Good news is that generally most of the stuff is not required, and the people who just want to play without going all in can do so.

You are right, and I think that is the problem. I think they saw people gobbling up a deck with each codex and thought they could do the same, but it's really an apples to oranges comparison.
At least 40K spaced those decks out so that you might impulse buy them as they came along.

That $15 maelstrom deck doesn't matter much when it complements a $160 starter, $40 Codex, and the hundreds, if not thousands, you've spent on an army.

The Wrath and Glory Decks combined cost more than the Core rules, more than double if you buy the tokens.

Adeptus Doritos wrote:Wrath & Glory is what happens when you try to give every single person what they want, but cram it all into one book. You get a watered-down, overpriced product that offers something generic for everyone and a whole lot of garbage that will never get used.

I'm guessing you were a fan of the old 40K RPGs. I'm not interested in re-hashing the battle of which version is better in this thread.

I actually like Wrath & Glory. It has its faults, but it is entirely playable.

My biggest issue is where they spent their resources during development. Those cards packs are going to sit on retail and warehouse shelves until someone buys them up on clearance at $4.99 a pack. That was time and money that could have been spent on the Necron and Tau campaign books or a bestiary of some sort.

So as someone who is considering getting the BRB for this so I can run a few games for my online friends via Roll 20, how good is this system and is it worth it to me? I get a 20% discount on items like these in my area.