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Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant





Luton, England

I'm getting my hobby kicks at the moment by converting up various daemon Princes so I decided to make a list that could field all of the ones I owned, I've had a test game and it did pretty well managing to beat a solid drukarri list.

Let me know what you think, mainly looking for advice on psykic powers and warlord trait :-)

Plus please let me know if I've missed anything or cocked something up ;-)

Deathguard Battalion

Nurgle Daemon Prince - Wings, Talons, Psy: Miasma of Pestilence, WL: Rotten Constitution, Relic: Supporating Plate
Nurgle Daemon Prince - Wings, Axe, Psy: Blades of Putrefaction
10x Poxwalker
10x Poxwalker
10x Poxwalker

Daemons Undivided Battalion

Be'lakor - Psy: Death Hex, Infernal Gaze
Khorne Daemon Prince - Axe, Wings, Relic: Big Axe (1CP)
20 Bloodletter - Banner, Instrument (Intend to spend 2CP for Banner of Blood and Deepstrike)
21 Plaguebearers - Banner, Instrument
3 nurglings

Thousand Sons Supreme Command

Ahriman - Psy: Death Hex, Doombolt, Warptime
Tzeentch Daemon Prince - Wings, Sword, Psy: Diabolic Str, Infernal gateway
Tzeentch Daemon Prince - Wings, Talons, Psy: Gift Of Chaos, Weaver of Fates
Tzeentch Daemon Prince - Sword, Psy: Gaze of Fate, Glamour of Tzeentch

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Been Around the Block




I woulsd give all your daemon princes dual talons... besides the Khorne prince and 1 nurgle prince with the relic sword
   
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Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant





Luton, England

I agree that the talons are easily the best choice and the sword the worst but unfortunately some of my princes are were made for a previous edition and are armed with them :(

In casual games I just play them as talons but for wisiwig purposes this is what they have.

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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





The RO3 is working as intended and strong with this one.


Edit: I don't know how that will perform but inbetween a lot os smites and psy aswell as some daemons i can only imagine how much potential there is.

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Luton, England

Whilst I agree that it would seem the rule of three is being a little disregarded/worked around here the different types of princes perform quite differently on the battlefield.

The Thousand sons operate as defensive buff units and secondary assault units.
The Khorne prince and Belekor are both great at hiting large hard targets.
The death guard ones are more bully units, especially the warlord.

Similar to fielding different types of rhino chassis tank, noone worry about the rule of three being exploited if someone brings two predators and two whirlwinds even though they are the same tank with a different weapon on top.

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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





 WisdomLS wrote:
Whilst I agree that it would seem the rule of three is being a little disregarded/worked around here the different types of princes perform quite differently on the battlefield.

The Thousand sons operate as defensive buff units and secondary assault units.
The Khorne prince and Belekor are both great at hiting large hard targets.
The death guard ones are more bully units, especially the warlord.

Similar to fielding different types of rhino chassis tank, noone worry about the rule of three being exploited if someone brings two predators and two whirlwinds even though they are the same tank with a different weapon on top.


Yeah, but it is still a bit ridicoulous that you aren't allowed to field say 5 squads of Veterans, or 4 Hellbrutes, etc but magically if you draw another book and have the same unit in essence beyond some minor tweaks that specialise it in a bit diffrent way it suddendly is all peaches.

Frankly i think you got a strong list here, all your DP's have wings and even tough the sword isn't as great as the Talons i imagine that this still is a rather messy list to play against.
Only thing slightly worrying your AT is limited

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Luton, England

Not Online!!! wrote:


Yeah, but it is still a bit ridicoulous that you aren't allowed to field say 5 squads of Veterans, or 4 Hellbrutes, etc but magically if you draw another book and have the same unit in essence beyond some minor tweaks that specialise it in a bit diffrent way it suddendly is all peaches.

Frankly i think you got a strong list here, all your DP's have wings and even tough the sword isn't as great as the Talons i imagine that this still is a rather messy list to play against.
Only thing slightly worrying your AT is limited


Yes, the rule of three does have a place, mainly limiting really extreme lists, but it does remove the option for fielding alot of army types and build that aren't degenerate. That 9 Hive tyrant list has alot to answer for, its main issue was the HT was well undercosted that made fielding 9 of them so attractive in the first place.

Anti-tank is indeed a bit of an issue, The Khorne Prince with Relic Axe can do a number on a single knight but will then die, I can gang up with a few princes at once and the nurgle Axe prince and Belekor are reasonable especially against T7 stuff.

There is a single TS prince without wings, my nice old metal model. He has no wings and I have no points spare to give them to him so it works out :-)

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More axes overall. It isn't half bad imo, well the regular DP axe.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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The khorne DP with relic blade is also a good shout. As almost all knights are made into characters and the majority of leman russ are tank commanders he is still str 9 rerolling wounds, -4ap, 3 dmg.

He'll do about 15 wounds to a character knight which isn't a million miles away from skullreaver prince and he's able to munch through tough characters, like guliman with relative ease!


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Other than that it should work well, although I'd be tempted to drop one tson prince in favour of beefing out your screen and board control units (Plaguebearers and Poxwalkers).

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What about Flawless Host with spitefull trait?
That could shred even more.

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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In My Lab

Add more Letters. WAY too easy to kill one on Overwatch, which drops your 2+ WS to a 3+.

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Luton, England

The problem with adding additional letters is twofold, I only have enought points for a single additional dude (by dropping the spare plague) and even the one extra dude means they cost an extra command point to DS in :/

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In My Lab

 WisdomLS wrote:
The problem with adding additional letters is twofold, I only have enought points for a single additional dude (by dropping the spare plague) and even the one extra dude means they cost an extra command point to DS in :/


Fair. Saving a CP can matter.

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Luton, England

Well that was fun while it lasted (about a week), I really enjoyed the list but the new FAQ has made all the daemon prince count as the same datasheet for the rule of three, seems a bit of a strange decision but thems the breaks.

The parts for my K'horne prince will be arriving today :-(

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 WisdomLS wrote:
Well that was fun while it lasted (about a week), I really enjoyed the list but the new FAQ has made all the daemon prince count as the same datasheet for the rule of three, seems a bit of a strange decision but thems the breaks.

The parts for my K'horne prince will be arriving today :-(


On one hand "FETHING FINALY " on the other hand this thought experiment is now dead.

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in gb
Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant





Luton, England

I'm not super annoyed but I wouldn't mind some consistency, they previously answered a question in the FAQ that specifically allowed this and the new ruling kinda rules out the cool Daemon prince tetrad idea.

I generally like the rule of three but if its applying to different types of daemon prince now surly it should apply to the various other units that are only slightly different and with a slightly different datasheet name. Should primaris libby, libby on bike, libby in terminator armour & libby all count as the same datasheet? The three types of landraider count as the same? This reasoning would apply to many different marine units as they are essentially the same thing with a different option modelled.

I suspect it comes down to the fact that not many models are good enough for a player to want to bring 4 or more, it only really is feasible if that model is a very good all rounder like the DP or Hive Tyrant before it.

Oh well, the models will look good on the shelf, their time will come again ;-)

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