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This is my attempt at a hopefully competitive 1k chaos list in the current release scheduled. I'm not wanting to buy figs that are def coming out later like Rhinos and such, so this is what I can scrape together. I know the Berserkers will be replaced but I want to do a cool conversion with them so I'm fine.

I want to learn the game and get into it while playing in a competitive environment. Please help!


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [50 PL, 10CP, 1000pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic) [-1CP]

Legion [3CP]: Red Corsairs

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince with Wings [9 PL, 180pts]: 3. Unholy Fortitude, Intoxicating Elixir, Malefic talon, Warlord
. Slaanesh: Diabolic Strength

Sorcerer [6 PL, 115pts]: Combi-melta, Force axe, Maelstrom's Bite, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience, Warptime

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 77pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 77pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-bolter
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter

Chaos Space Marines [14 PL, 293pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
. 17x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
. Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

+ Elites +

Greater Possessed [4 PL, 70pts]
. Greater Possessed: No Chaos Mark

Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 188pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Chainsword, Power fist
. 9x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 9x Chainaxe

++ Total: [50 PL, 10CP, 1000pts] ++

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Looks like it has a lot of the good stuff that Red Cosairs has to offer. I'd just make a couple of small changes. Drop the daemon prince or sorcerer and bring Huron Blackheart. For 105 points you get a sorcerer AND chaos lord. Who has a power fist, heavy flamer, 5 attacks and one ablative wound. If he's your warlord you get two free relics and 1CP. So if you drop the prince you can stick elixir on that greater possessed and have your maelstrom's bite for free.

Also I think the bezerkers really need transport to survive as they will never make it into combat even with warptime and advace and charge. People know what they do and will want no part of it.

I think possessed or more greater possessed could work well as they are tougher and still hit like a truck! Or some backline shooting like preds, hellbrutes or fw dreads would be good.

 small_gods wrote:
Looks like it has a lot of the good stuff that Red Cosairs has to offer. I'd just make a couple of small changes. Drop the daemon prince or sorcerer and bring Huron Blackheart. For 105 points you get a sorcerer AND chaos lord. Who has a power fist, heavy flamer, 5 attacks and one ablative wound. If he's your warlord you get two free relics and 1CP. So if you drop the prince you can stick elixir on that greater possessed and have your maelstrom's bite for free.

Also I think the bezerkers really need transport to survive as they will never make it into combat even with warptime and advace and charge. People know what they do and will want no part of it.

I think possessed or more greater possessed could work well as they are tougher and still hit like a truck! Or some backline shooting like preds, hellbrutes or fw dreads would be good.

Thank you! The Rhino is going to have to wait for the new one coming later this year. Huron is something I've looked at, and want to use, I'm just afraid of not having the extra CP and leftover points.

 charz wrote:

 small_gods wrote:
Looks like it has a lot of the good stuff that Red Cosairs has to offer. I'd just make a couple of small changes. Drop the daemon prince or sorcerer and bring Huron Blackheart. For 105 points you get a sorcerer AND chaos lord. Who has a power fist, heavy flamer, 5 attacks and one ablative wound. If he's your warlord you get two free relics and 1CP. So if you drop the prince you can stick elixir on that greater possessed and have your maelstrom's bite for free.

Also I think the bezerkers really need transport to survive as they will never make it into combat even with warptime and advace and charge. People know what they do and will want no part of it.

I think possessed or more greater possessed could work well as they are tougher and still hit like a truck! Or some backline shooting like preds, hellbrutes or fw dreads would be good.

Thank you! The Rhino is going to have to wait for the new one coming later this year. Huron is something I've looked at, and want to use, I'm just afraid of not having the extra CP and leftover points.

If huron is the warlord, he generates additional CP.



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I am also a bit unsure off the greater possesed, you know because he ain't buffing stuff in this list, however he is a very good beatstick allready on his own soooo not to worry. I would however mark him as khorne for an oppurtunity doube fight phase.

CSM with HB's is a bit of ehhh, i would fuse it with the combibolter to get an AC instead, mostly to get some long range AT, because remember you have not access to VotWL to boost the wound throws so you will require a bit higher S values to attack tanks.

Also in this case, might be an edge case to get rid off the Khorne berzerkers and put down a squad of Khorne Possesed down to run around with your Greater possesed., Warptiming such a squad might be very well worth it, also Possesed have M7 so they get easier to the enemy .

For friendlies your list looks solid enough..

If I'd tweak a list for 1k..

Red corsair batallion - devastation battery

Huron, prescience
Dark apostle + 2x disciplies, warpsight plea

5x csm, bolters
5x csm, bolters
10x csm bolters, 2x reaper chaincannon

5x havocs, 4x autocannon

Alpha Legion patrol

Daemon prince with wings, 2x talons, MoS, intoxicating elixir, warp time

10x cultists

8x zerkers

This would be a more aggressive. You have zerkers and big squad of csm in your opponents lines T1 with AL strat (1cp) for zerkers and RC strat (3cp) for that csm squad. Which can also burn some CP to shoot twice. Then you would have a mini-gunline with DA, Huron and havocs.. although buffing a single havocs with two characters isn't really efficient.

I've played with my pure RC at 1k and 1,5k.. those list can be seen in the army lists section on the second page.. if you want to peek what other people have been running.

Concerning your list I'd say a single greater posessed is the least optimal choice with your other selections.

I second to NotOnline!! on the HB vs. autocannons.. HB's can be easily converted into those new reaper chaincannons..

This is my 20c..

My go to fluff list, that i am atm also building and moslty painting but also allready used was this:
Battalion RC

HQ
Lord.
DA: -1 to hit prayer.
Sorcerer, Staff: psy depending.

Troops:
5 CSM AC
5 CSM AC
10 CSM 2 PG power axe,

10 Cultists Stubber

Elites:
5 Terminators, 5 Chainaxes, 1 Reaper Autocannon, 4 combibolter
5 Chosen: Power maul and Combi for champ, 4 Combibolters

Support:
5 Havocs 4 AC, PG for Champion.


OK basically, the bigger squads,aswell as the termites and the Chosen are marked Slaanesh, for double shooting.

The cultists are fodder and sit on a point. (they also filled out so nicely pointswise.)

Equipment is also rather ineffective here but the idea behind the list is what counts.

Basically i have a lot of practical oppurtunity targets for Cacophony. I have varying threats. I have some mobility with Tide and RC stratagem, not to mention some durability.
This list has 11 CP just for existing. (ofcourse you could throw in Huron instead of sorcerer and Lord to gain even more CP and cut some pts)
and modify it but the idea is be rather durable, mobile, heavy MSU except on the marine blob flexible.

Not Online!!! wrote:
My go to fluff list, that i am atm also building and moslty painting but also allready used was this:
Battalion RC

HQ
Lord.
DA: -1 to hit prayer.
Sorcerer, Staff: psy depending.

Troops:
5 CSM AC
5 CSM AC
10 CSM 2 PG power axe,

10 Cultists Stubber

Elites:
5 Terminators, 5 Chainaxes, 1 Reaper Autocannon, 4 combibolter
5 Chosen: Power maul and Combi for champ, 4 Combibolters

Support:
5 Havocs 4 AC, PG for Champion.


OK basically, the bigger squads,aswell as the termites and the Chosen are marked Slaanesh, for double shooting.

The cultists are fodder and sit on a point. (they also filled out so nicely pointswise.)

Equipment is also rather ineffective here but the idea behind the list is what counts.

Basically i have a lot of practical oppurtunity targets for Cacophony. I have varying threats. I have some mobility with Tide and RC stratagem, not to mention some durability.
This list has 11 CP just for existing. (ofcourse you could throw in Huron instead of sorcerer and Lord to gain even more CP and cut some pts)
and modify it but the idea is be rather durable, mobile, heavy MSU except on the marine blob flexible.

My problem is this needs to be mostly competitive. People at my scene play their chosen faction to the most broken. I also know not getting a Rhino will hold me back. I just can't think of a good 1k competitive list that doesn't use one.

Play Monster mash up with 1- 3 cultist blobs?
Do you face knights often then not, but truth is your regular csm dex is atm in a rather wierd position strength wise.
I would also atm Refrain from kyborgs due to the potential typo, however if the faq finally shows up and they remain 65 ppm pick as many as you can.


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Ideally though you would use the RC as a cp battery,
So sorcerer, warpsmith (price)
3x 5 csm with either reaper chaincannon or ac.

Then you would pick another detachment, like purge, AL etc that gobbles the cp.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Play Monster mash up with 1- 3 cultist blobs?
Do you face knights often then not, but truth is your regular csm dex is atm in a rather wierd position strength wise.
I would also atm Refrain from kyborgs due to the potential typo, however if the faq finally shows up and they remain 65 ppm pick as many as you can.


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Ideally though you would use the RC as a cp battery,
So sorcerer, warpsmith (price)
3x 5 csm with either reaper chaincannon or ac.

Then you would pick another detachment, like purge, AL etc that gobbles the cp.

May I private message you? Your the first person who actually told me what I was doing was wrong. I'd like some honest advice and ideas.