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What exactly did the GW rep say at the event about GK not getting Primaris? Was it specifically answering “no” to “not getting Primaris?” If so, imagine GW doing a cheeky move and not “giving GK Primaris,” but rather GK becoming Primaris. I haven’t heard any reason to the contrary as to why that could work. The Emperor-seed is already in, just add some more organs and such.

I don’t know. Just a thought I had in the shower.

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There is no way to have GKs make that jump with out given them a ton of unique kits or stripping a lot of flavor and uniqueness from GK. Of all the various MEQ spin off factions Grey Knights equipment is the most different from standard space marines.

Given that the current GK kits are relatively new I don't see GW doing them over in the short term.
   
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The newest GK kit is over 10 years old, which is the Nemesis DreadKnight.

Personally, I what GW to fix GK not add Primaris to GK.

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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The newest GK kit is over 10 years old, which is the Nemesis DreadKnight.

Personally, I what GW to fix GK not add Primaris to GK.

SJ

Surprise twist, Grey Knights are the first faction to go all Primaris.

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Celestine found the fluff about them butchering some sisters and has shown it to Guilliman and Cawl. Theyre not just not getting primaris, theyre getting purged. Thank Ward
   
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I was about to say, my GK paladin squad has 2004 on the box, and I bought that in 2017....
   
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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The newest GK kit is over 10 years old, which is the Nemesis DreadKnight.

Personally, I what GW to fix GK not add Primaris to GK.

SJ


2011 was definitely not over 10 years ago.
   
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I bought my DreadKnights before Imperial Knights were released in 2007.

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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The newest GK kit is over 10 years old, which is the Nemesis DreadKnight.

Personally, I what GW to fix GK not add Primaris to GK.

SJ


I honestly expect 9th edition to just repoint all marine units and say they all got primaris upgraded with +1 w and +1 attack. It would help a lot of them.

3 Wound, 3 attack terminators would be rather interesting, for example.
   
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HoundsofDemos wrote:
There is no way to have GKs make that jump with out given them a ton of unique kits or stripping a lot of flavor and uniqueness from GK...


GK have at present three kits (power armour, Terminator armour, Dreadknight). Everything else is a vehicle shared with normal Marines.

If you do HQ choices the way Stormcast and Custodes kits are organized (where you build your HQs with a couple of parts shipped in the infantry kits) adding Primaris to GK is a matter of making a power-armour kit and a gravis-armour kit.

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I feel like they might restat them and maybe upscale their current kits at some point, but I don't think they'll be primaris'd in the normal sense fluff wise. They have a very distinct geneseed process using DNA from the Emperor himself that Cawl doesn't have access to, so at most its the GK rebooting themselves outside of Cawl's influence.

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 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like they might restat them and maybe upscale their current kits at some point, but I don't think they'll be primaris'd in the normal sense fluff wise. They have a very distinct geneseed process using DNA from the Emperor himself that Cawl doesn't have access to, so at most its the GK rebooting themselves outside of Cawl's influence.

That’s close to my theory. Have a Grey Knight teleport to Terra or Mars and take some Primaris conversion junk, then do it themselves.

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I don't play Grey Knights, and honestly don't think they should be an army - but my money is on a full Primaris-based re-launch in the next 3-4 years, etc. I think GW has given up on the poor-selling army and just aren't terribly bothered fixing them if a replacement is in the pipeline.

 
   
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 Apple Peel wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like they might restat them and maybe upscale their current kits at some point, but I don't think they'll be primaris'd in the normal sense fluff wise. They have a very distinct geneseed process using DNA from the Emperor himself that Cawl doesn't have access to, so at most its the GK rebooting themselves outside of Cawl's influence.

That’s close to my theory. Have a Grey Knight teleport to Terra or Mars and take some Primaris conversion junk, then do it themselves.


Or they get the upgraded csm treatment, also if that is the case i reccomend getting informed on special and heavy equipment alternatives.... (reaper chaincannon)

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 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like they might restat them and maybe upscale their current kits at some point, but I don't think they'll be primaris'd in the normal sense fluff wise. They have a very distinct geneseed process using DNA from the Emperor himself that Cawl doesn't have access to, so at most its the GK rebooting themselves outside of Cawl's influence.


They can still get the sinew coils even if they can't get the magnificat and belisarian furnace. The magnificat specifically says its a primarch gland (well half of one), but the belisarian furnace doesn't have any specific requirements listed. And given the name. . . it might be something Cawl put together and not geneline dependent.
   
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 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like they might restat them and maybe upscale their current kits at some point, but I don't think they'll be primaris'd in the normal sense fluff wise. They have a very distinct geneseed process using DNA from the Emperor himself that Cawl doesn't have access to, so at most its the GK rebooting themselves outside of Cawl's influence.

That'd be valid if it wasn't for these guys existing as Primaris:


The Exorcists are Grey Knight Successors and yet have Primaris.

There is some lore apparently that the Grey Knights aren't jumping on the Primaris train because they're not sure if it meets their demands of purity and warp resistance, so it's likely they'll be monitoring the Exorcists in the lore for some time before we see them adopt Primaris on the table whenever GW gets around to them properly.
   
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I think logically they would get the Primaris gene tech to make new marines as not giving them it would be ridiculousness, especially for such and important chapter but If they change the Armour I'll be so pissed.
   
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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I bought my DreadKnights before Imperial Knights were released in 2007.

SJ


Lol, what? First Imperial Knight release was 2014.
   
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 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like they might restat them and maybe upscale their current kits at some point, but I don't think they'll be primaris'd in the normal sense fluff wise. They have a very distinct geneseed process using DNA from the Emperor himself that Cawl doesn't have access to, so at most its the GK rebooting themselves outside of Cawl's influence.


Everyone is told they're from the Emperor. But the first ones were mostly Loyalists from the Traitor legions. It wouldn't exactly be shocking to find out the Grey Knights were using their geneseed to continue their line, and the Emperor DNA is just a cover story. The Malcador-using-the-sons-of-Horus-to-fight-Horus'-legacy practically writes itself as does the subterfuge-within-subterfuge cover story. Hiding the truth is a recurring theme in 40K after all. Of course neither is inconsistency - like if they're based on the Emperor why are they weaker than Custodes?

The reason to Primaris them or not will come from game balance decisions, not the fluff - but the fluff will certainly have easy justification for either course of action.

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Breton wrote:
Of course neither is inconsistency - like if they're based on the Emperor why are they weaker than Custodes?

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Because the Emperor, while a powerful Psyker, was just a human. Using his “geneseed” (which he doesn’t have since he doesn’t have that Marine gland, it would just be normal human seed) would just make a human.

I am not even sure if psychics are genetic in 40k. Does the geneseed of a Librarian make a new Librarian? Or would the human need to be a Psykers pre-Marine-Conversion?

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Breton wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
I feel like they might restat them and maybe upscale their current kits at some point, but I don't think they'll be primaris'd in the normal sense fluff wise. They have a very distinct geneseed process using DNA from the Emperor himself that Cawl doesn't have access to, so at most its the GK rebooting themselves outside of Cawl's influence.


Everyone is told they're from the Emperor. But the first ones were mostly Loyalists from the Traitor legions. It wouldn't exactly be shocking to find out the Grey Knights were using their geneseed to continue their line, and the Emperor DNA is just a cover story. The Malcador-using-the-sons-of-Horus-to-fight-Horus'-legacy practically writes itself as does the subterfuge-within-subterfuge cover story. Hiding the truth is a recurring theme in 40K after all. Of course neither is inconsistency - like if they're based on the Emperor why are they weaker than Custodes?

The reason to Primaris them or not will come from game balance decisions, not the fluff - but the fluff will certainly have easy justification for either course of action.


What do you mean the "first ones were mostly Loyalists from the Traitor legions"? That's not cannon at all. The GK's geneseed is from the emperor not any legion gene seed.


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Breton wrote:
Of course neither is inconsistency - like if they're based on the Emperor why are they weaker than Custodes?

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Because the Emperor, while a powerful Psyker, was just a human. Using his “geneseed” (which he doesn’t have since he doesn’t have that Marine gland, it would just be normal human seed) would just make a human.

I am not even sure if psychics are genetic in 40k. Does the geneseed of a Librarian make a new Librarian? Or would the human need to be a Psykers pre-Marine-Conversion?


He isn't just a human, no one knows 'what' he was.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

What do you mean the "first ones were mostly Loyalists from the Traitor legions"? That's not cannon at all. The GK's geneseed is from the emperor not any legion gene seed.



Nonesense. That's a nice myth that fits with with the "new dark age" narrative of 40K, but the Emperor a) is clearly a human (because there is background on his birth, the shamans, etc..) and b) wouldn't have geneseed whatever he is, because he's not a Space Marine. Even most other bio-engineering experiments the emperor (or others) did in their time didn't use geneseed (Thunder Warriors, Custodes, etc..).

Geneseed is a fairly specific product of a specific implant made specifically for space marines for reproduction.


The emperor, if he did ever reproduce would've done so through old fashioned sex. Or perhaps/likely imbued part of himself in the Primarchs, thus being almost literally their father, in which case all Marines (including Grey Knights) could trace some genetic link/lineage to the Emperor.

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My understanding of the Emperor is that he is human, he just is the only "living" example of what humanity is supposed to evolve into.

And remember: Primarchs don't have geneseed organs either. So making geneseed from his own DNA and using it for implantation (like how he used it for the Custodes and their enhancement) is still feasible.
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I bought my DreadKnights before Imperial Knights were released in 2007.

SJ


Lol, what? First Imperial Knight release was 2014.
No the first IKs had to be no later than 2013. I moved to TX at the tail end of 2013 and remember very distinctly some of my TN gaming group having Knights. You may be right that their Codex came out in 2014 that expanded them with the Gallant, Warden and Crusaders, but the Paladin/Errant kit was out well before that.

Also, DKs could not have been out in 2007. I started 40K in 2006 and didn't start playing Eldar (my main faction since then) in 2008. GKs were still "DaemonHunters" at this time. The GK Codex proper, including all their plastic kit updates (all GK were metal before this) didn't happen until the middle of 5th edition. I can't remember if it was just before or after the Dark Eldar got the big update to their plastic range, but it was within the same few months. So had to be 2009ish, which indeed puts them at about a decade old

I could see GK continuing to lack Primaris due to both fluff and models. Unlike Deathwatch, GK Marines aren't just a paint job.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
What do you mean the "first ones were mostly Loyalists from the Traitor legions"? That's not cannon at all. The GK's geneseed is from the emperor not any legion gene seed.


Citation Needed

If you read the Horus Heresy books, the first to become what would eventually become the Grey Knights were the loyalist marines from the Traitor Legions who escaped the dual massacres on Isstvan.
   
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 Galef wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I bought my DreadKnights before Imperial Knights were released in 2007.

SJ


Lol, what? First Imperial Knight release was 2014.
No the first IKs had to be no later than 2013. I moved to TX at the tail end of 2013 and remember very distinctly some of my TN gaming group having Knights. You may be right that their Codex came out in 2014 that expanded them with the Gallant, Warden and Crusaders, but the Paladin/Errant kit was out well before that.

Also, DKs could not have been out in 2007. I started 40K in 2006 and didn't start playing Eldar (my main faction since then) in 2008. GKs were still "DaemonHunters" at this time. The GK Codex proper, including all their plastic kit updates (all GK were metal before this) didn't happen until the middle of 5th edition. I can't remember if it was just before or after the Dark Eldar got the big update to their plastic range, but it was within the same few months. So had to be 2009ish, which indeed puts them at about a decade old

I could see GK continuing to lack Primaris due to both fluff and models. Unlike Deathwatch, GK Marines aren't just a paint job.

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The Dreadknight and the rest of the plastic Grey Knights came out with the 5th edition Grey Knights codex, which dropped April 2011. They are absolutely not a decade old. The Dark Eldar revamp was around November or December 2010.
   
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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
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 Galef wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I bought my DreadKnights before Imperial Knights were released in 2007.

SJ


Lol, what? First Imperial Knight release was 2014.
No the first IKs had to be no later than 2013. I moved to TX at the tail end of 2013 and remember very distinctly some of my TN gaming group having Knights. You may be right that their Codex came out in 2014 that expanded them with the Gallant, Warden and Crusaders, but the Paladin/Errant kit was out well before that.

Also, DKs could not have been out in 2007. I started 40K in 2006 and didn't start playing Eldar (my main faction since then) in 2008. GKs were still "DaemonHunters" at this time. The GK Codex proper, including all their plastic kit updates (all GK were metal before this) didn't happen until the middle of 5th edition. I can't remember if it was just before or after the Dark Eldar got the big update to their plastic range, but it was within the same few months. So had to be 2009ish, which indeed puts them at about a decade old

I could see GK continuing to lack Primaris due to both fluff and models. Unlike Deathwatch, GK Marines aren't just a paint job.

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The Dreadknight and the rest of the plastic Grey Knights came out with the 5th edition Grey Knights codex, which dropped April 2011. They are absolutely not a decade old. The Dark Eldar revamp was around November or December 2010.
Thanx. I knew it couldn't have been earlier than 2009 (which is why I put the "ish" on it). Late 2010 to early 2011 is close enough to the same time, so I'm glad my memory isn't too fuzzy.
Still, 8 years old is close enough to a decade for the OP's point to stand.

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 Octopoid wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
What do you mean the "first ones were mostly Loyalists from the Traitor legions"? That's not cannon at all. The GK's geneseed is from the emperor not any legion gene seed.


Citation Needed

If you read the Horus Heresy books, the first to become what would eventually become the Grey Knights were the loyalist marines from the Traitor Legions who escaped the dual massacres on Isstvan.


thats not true though, some where, but not all. of the confirmed founders of thre grey knights (we SEE their founding in buried dagger) one was an ultramarine. in fact the two most high profile traitors who joined the knights errant (Loken and Garro) ended up not being among the founders

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Octopoid wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
What do you mean the "first ones were mostly Loyalists from the Traitor legions"? That's not cannon at all. The GK's geneseed is from the emperor not any legion gene seed.


Citation Needed

If you read the Horus Heresy books, the first to become what would eventually become the Grey Knights were the loyalist marines from the Traitor Legions who escaped the dual massacres on Isstvan.


thats not true though, some where, but not all. of the confirmed founders of thre grey knights (we SEE their founding in buried dagger) one was an ultramarine. in fact the two most high profile traitors who joined the knights errant (Loken and Garro) ended up not being among the founders


List on Lexicanum has three from traitor Legions (one Luna Wolf, one Thousand Son, one Night Lord) and five from loyal Legions (one Blood Angel, one Ultramarine, one Space Wolf, one Raven Guard, one Dark Angel) amongst the eight original Grand Masters.

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