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In the Ork codex Nobs may not take shootas, but they can in the index. Is it still leagal for them to take them? Or did they change it?

If the Codex has a datasheet for them it replaces the datasheet in the Index.

Page 16 of The WARHAMMER 40,000 RULEBOOK Official Update Version 1.4 covers this rather clearly.

To put it easily, you can use the wargear options that are available in the Index only along with the Codex data sheet.

Hang on, are you saying you can choose index-only loadouts that don't appear on the codex datasheet

 Brother Castor wrote:
Hang on, are you saying you can choose index-only loadouts that don't appear on the codex datasheet

They are, and you can.

You can use Index only gear, but you must pay the new updated points costs from the codex for any items you get in such a manner.

You must also follow any new rules on gear from the codex data-sheet such as "may swap x for y", but the y can be something they could only take in the index.

If, for example, the index allowed you to just purchase a weapon, but the codex says you must swap for it, you have to follow the codex's method of acquiring the gear.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
If, for example, the index allowed you to just purchase a weapon, but the codex says you must swap for it, you have to follow the codex's method of acquiring the gear.

Citation needed.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Eihnlazer wrote:
If, for example, the index allowed you to just purchase a weapon, but the codex says you must swap for it, you have to follow the codex's method of acquiring the gear.

Citation needed.

Flowchart dictates index only wargear gets the special treatment. For weapons that are present in both index and codex you MUST follow the codex options/methods.

As for index wargear options, do note that in the recent GW GTs they "discouraged" the use of index wargear despite being allowed to do so RAW. So check with TO for final ruling.

Etc also flat bans them. And likely more in future with books out of print

Some examples if you play in the ITC:

Trueborn Dark Eldar from the index: The index listing says blasters are D3 damage, but the codex lists them having D6 damage. So, you can field a Trueborn unit, and you pay Trueborn points from the index, because they're not in the codex *and* pay points for the blasters from the codex (or Chapter Approved if there was a points adjustment), and use the codex's damage listing of D6.

Autarch. In the codex, there's a SkyRunner, footer or Swooping Hawk Winged option. However, the index will also allow you to field one with the Warp Generator (like a warp spider).

Further, the index listing allows access to a Banshee Mask for the autarch. There, the Banshee Mask's rule allows fighting first but in the codex (per those other 'fight first' rules in various places), but since that wargear has a different rule in the codex, the 'fight first' aspect doesn't apply.

The index autarch has access to more guns, too, like a Reaper Launcher. Therefore, you may take an autarch with a warp gen, banshee mask and reaper launcher, but those toys do what the codex says, in these cases, the codex Banshee Mask allows for an overwatch-proof charge. And the trueborn's blaster does D6.

There are likely a few others in 40k.

Citation:
I clarified this with Reece, in person, at BAO. The LVO judges are also on the same page.

Not really an ITC, BOA, or LVO ruling. They are all just following the rules as stated in the FAQ.

 skchsan wrote:
For weapons that are present in both index and codex you MUST follow the codex options/methods.

Citation needed.

I can not find any rules to back this up.

you mean you cant find a rule stating you must use the latest printed datasheet/rules for anything?

Congratulations! You've received my very first Exalt, Eihn. That was pretty dang funny in the wake of all the RAW vs RAI discussion.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
you mean you cant find a rule stating you must use the latest printed datasheet/rules for anything?

That is not what I said at all.

I can not find where it states you "MUST follow the codex options/methods."

It is not in the flow chart.

Well, if the Index came before the Codex, and the rule is "use the most recent version of a rule", then it logically means that if there is a rule, or datasheet, which is represented in both the Index and the Codex, then you must use the most recent version of it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have 6ppm Boyz again. But thems the breaks.

 flandarz wrote:
Well, if the Index came before the Codex, and the rule is "use the most recent version of a rule", then it logically means that if there is a rule, or datasheet, which is represented in both the Index and the Codex, then you must use the most recent version of it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have 6ppm Boyz again. But thems the breaks.

Sure, "use the most recent version of a rule" That is fine.

However if you have the option to purchase a weapon in the index, but not in the codex, then you can still purchase the weapon because of the flow chart.

I agree with that. I don't think anyone argued otherwise.

 flandarz wrote:
I agree with that. I don't think anyone argued otherwise.

Maybe I misinterpreted Eihnlazer's post, because it seemed like he was saying you could not do that.

I think he was saying that if a piece of wargear exists in both sources, and the older source says "pay 10 pts for this wargear" and the newer source says "swap your standard wargear for this wargear and pay 5 pts" then you go with the newer source's way to acquire that wargear.

Codex Datasheet + Index Wargear Options
-Using the most up to date points values/rules for equipment.
Index Only Datasheet
Up to date points costs on anything that has a codex version. However "old points/costs" rules for things that not in the codex.
With some exceptions e.g. FAQ tau not longer gets stim injector wargear.
Or anything that was changed in an Index FAQ, BIG FAQ 1/2. CA whatever year!

 flandarz wrote:
I think he was saying that if a piece of wargear exists in both sources, and the older source says "pay 10 pts for this wargear" and the newer source says "swap your standard wargear for this wargear and pay 5 pts" then you go with the newer source's way to acquire that wargear.

And I was saying citation needed, because the rules do not say that.

If old rule states "do this" and new rule states "do this instead", then (if new rule outweighs old rule) you have to use the new rule. I'm kinda confused on your stance here. You've agreed that taking the most recent ruling is RAW. This is literally the same thing. You cannot gain wargear in the old way, if there is a new way to gain it, for the same reason I cannot pay 6ppm for Ork Boyz when the Codex lists them as 7ppm.

 flandarz wrote:
If old rule states "do this" and new rule states "do this instead", then (if new rule outweighs old rule) you have to use the new rule.

There are not any rules that actually stated that though.

I'm kinda confused on your stance here. You've agreed that taking the most recent ruling is RAW. This is literally the same thing.

Incorrect. it is not the same thing.

You cannot gain wargear in the old way, if there is a new way to gain it, for the same reason I cannot pay 6ppm for Ork Boyz when the Codex lists them as 7ppm.

You can gain wargear because of the flowchart. you still must use the most updated points for said wargear though.

If the older source says "May take a Stormshield" and the Codex (newer source) says "Swap your Bolt Pistol for a Stormshield" Then there are two ways for that model to get a Stormshield. The "Swap your Bolt Pistol for a Stormshield" does not replace or void the "May take a Stormshield" because they are different .

The Index flowchart says "Are there wargear options for your model that only appear in the index version of its datasheet"

In the previous example "May take a Stormshield" is an option that does not appear on the Codex datasheet.

That's not really a wargear option. That's a method to gain that particular wargear option. But, because this is definitely gonna devolve into semantics, I'll just say that, using your example, that if you want a Storm Shield, GW's intent is that you swap your Bolt Pistol for it. Strict interpretation or no, that seems pretty evident. Otherwise, why add another (seemingly inferior) method for obtaining the wargear?

Why does the Intercessor Data Sheet give you the options to either replace your Bolt Rifle with a melee weapon or just add the exact same melee weapons while keeping the Bolt Rifle? Because those are the models GW produces. The rules are generally designed to allow you to purchase the models the kit can produce, rather than giving them model options they need to produce in the kit for you to build and use.

And that's fine. But we're talking old vs new here. Not the exact same datasheet. Here's a fictional example:

In the Index, Army Dude comes equipped with a knife and gun, but has the option to also take a flak vest. In the Codex, the Army dude comes equipped with a knife and gun, but then option to take a flak vest has been changed to "replace this model's knife with a flak vest." The old "take a flak vest" was not carried over to the new rules for the unit.

So the basic argument is: is it acceptable to use the old rules to get your flak vest, or do you need to use the new rules to get it? This isn't a case of the Big Bomm on Deff Koptas, where the wargear option didn't carry over at all. The "Army Dude" still has access to the flak vest, but with new rules on how to acquire it.

Fictional examples don’t really illuminate anything, as changing the example changes the outcome.

The others are posting the correct version of things. Instead of railing against it might be worth listening, as they’ve got the Flowchart right.

He only showed you an example to make sure you understood what he was talking about (and myself for that matter).

There is probably already something exactly like this in a codex already, its just not worth the time and effort to search through every printed material to find it.

Sorry. I figured it'd be fine, since I had based my example on the argument that I was trying to rebuff (Stormshields above). Do you have a "by the book" example of a datasheet that, in the Index, had one way to gain piece of wargear but, in the Codex, has a different way?