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Been reading the fluff on Stormcast Eternals and it strikes me that i've seen their story somewhere else......

Warriors forged using arcane energies and made mightier than normal men, clad in special armour, wielding weapons too powerful for ordinary folk.......

Created for a great crusade.....



Does that mean I could use my Space Marine models as Stormcast proxies!!!?

 Corennus wrote:
Been reading the fluff on Stormcast Eternals and it strikes me that i've seen their story somewhere else......

Warriors forged using arcane energies and made mightier than normal men, clad in special armour, wielding weapons too powerful for ordinary folk.......

Created for a great crusade.....



Does that mean I could use my Space Marine models as Stormcast proxies!!!?

Never get close to any age of sigmar players. Please.

It's 2015! My time machine worked! Quick, we have to warn everyone about what's coming next year...

Sigmarines are a thing! And to be fair when Space Marines can make up 50% of GW's total sales some years and when the marketing and structure of their sale has worked so well for GW; it kind of makes sense that they would copy that idea over into their weakest selling game (at the time of launching AoS, the Old World fantasy game was heading toward death's door).

I think and hope that one key difference is that GW won't flood the AoS world with Stormcast the way they have with 40K. In some ways its a downside that space marines are the singular popular army that they are because it means GW supports more unique space marine subfactions with unique sculpts than they do unique Xeno races for the marines to fight against.

That's really my one and only true fear for Stormcast in AoS - provided GW can keep their line under control and doesn't make a halfdozen to a dozen sub-armies all with unique sculpts, unique model lines etc.... then AoS will be perfectly fine.

Heck the way they've pushed them out hard the Stormcast army is already at a point where the only viable things they can really add are more heroes; the regular troops are starting to trip over each other in providing similar roles. AoS has two limits on that front :

a) Reduced variety of unit types. In 40K you've got air, superheavy, titan, etc... divisions which provide more questions that require answers so there's more niches within each army for potential models. AoS has fewer divisions and even some glaring gaps in many forces (eg siege/artillery weapons).

b) Higher points values in general. AoS is being treated like a newer game in general. So many of the armies have somewhat higher points values than if you compare them to equivalent 40K armies (Slaanesh and other demon armies are good compare here as htey cross over both games). This means there's less room to fit lots of models into armies, even at 2K points.
This is, I think, intentional to make the game accessible in a practical sense to new gamers whilst keeping it on the larger side. I fully expect to see a points creep downward or a game size creep upward to 3K points as time and editions go on for AoS.


Lets not forget way back in the old days 40K armies were very small in comparison to what they are today.

Yes. Stormcast are the fantasy equivalent of space marines. They even share names of gear... like "storm bolters".

They have showered AOS with stormcast release after stormcast release after stormcast release (what now 4 books and counting when some factions have still received none?)

They are trying to recapture whatever magic drives people to spend millions on space marines to spend those millions on stormcast as well.

Their stories are similar enough to be basically the same to a lot of people.

Pretty much every primary storyline involves them.

Most of their novels involve them.

Sigmarines are indeed a thing.

 auticus wrote:
"storm bolters".

they don't. Now, you may argue that bolt storm is close enough but now that specific word.

"Hurricane crossbows" = "Hurricane bolters"
"Bolt Storm Pistol" = "Storm Bolter Pistol"

They are indeed close enough.

Well case in point i recently used some Stormcast Liberators as Proxy Terminators. Just gave them some Grey Knight Terminator helmets and had them as TH/SS !

I'd be fine with it but I played Dwarfs so I mainly just grumble anyway seeing as I can't win anyway.

I hate the term Sigmarines so much. It's one of those derogatory terms that people latch on to be funny or clever.

 Nova_Impero wrote:
I hate the term Sigmarines so much. It's one of those derogatory terms that people latch on to be funny or clever.

I agree. It's like smurfs for Ultramarines. Whatever joke there was dried up a long ass time ago.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
I hate the term Sigmarines so much. It's one of those derogatory terms that people latch on to be funny or clever.

I agree. It's like smurfs for Ultramarines. Whatever joke there was dried up a long ass time ago.

And it's really only for the poster boys too. You don't see anybody comparing the Imperial Guard to the Empire in this manner considering those similarities. I get why there are these comparisons and I understand it is a real thing, but the lengths that people will go through with this topic is very strange.

I'll be honest, for a good bunch of time even after started playing AoS I tought Sigmarines was the oficial name.

Now we call them Sigmarines not because is derogative but because saying "Stormcast Eternals" when you are speaking spanish sounds strange, specially with most people bad pronunciation, so people call them Sigmarines or just Stormcast.

 Galas wrote:
I'll be honest, for a good bunch of time even after started playing AoS I tought Sigmarines was the oficial name.

Now we call them Sigmarines not because is derogative but because saying "Stormcast Eternals" when you are speaking spanish sounds strange, specially with most people bad pronunciation, so people call them Sigmarines or just Stormcast.

Sigmarines is always a derogative term since the start of AOS. I do not know how you were able to realize what their real names are for a good bunch of time, but I understand the language aspect of the name.

I enjoy that they've finally inverted the "(warhammer fantasy faction) in space" translation they did with many 40k armies

I don't use "sigmarine" as a derogatory term. I use it as a word that describes what I feel is a faction that was shoe horned in to be what space marines are for 40k. It is neither positive nor negative it is just a term.

The same as I use "power gamer". Some people get upset and offended at the use of "power gamer" but that too is not a term used by me as a derogatory, it is used as an adjective to describe someone that plays to min/max and enjoys min/maxing.

Min/maxing is not derogatory either. It describes a playstyle.

I will continue to use "sigmarine" because it is the word I prefer to use to describe them. It is not being used by me to be funny nor clever nor as a negative. It is a neutral term that ascribes their similarity to space marines in 40k, which anyone would have a very tough time trying to say they are not similar or the space marines of fantasy.

Nids, Sigmarines, Ratties, space elves, pointy ears, halfmen, stunties



I think sometimes when you're playing a game its good to let your hair down and not get too manic about the nick names people give to armies and choice. Heck Dakka-fex is a thing; mention it to most tryanid players and they know exactly what you mean.

Yeah, they are totally fantasy space marines. I've never had a problem with that comparison. Fluff wise there are a lot of differences but in overall style, theme, and market appeal the similarity is clearly there. It isn't a bad thing.

 auticus wrote:
I don't use "sigmarine" as a derogatory term. I use it as a word that describes what I feel is a faction that was shoe horned in to be what space marines are for 40k. It is neither positive nor negative it is just a term.

The same as I use "power gamer". Some people get upset and offended at the use of "power gamer" but that too is not a term used by me as a derogatory, it is used as an adjective to describe someone that plays to min/max and enjoys min/maxing.

Min/maxing is not derogatory either. It describes a playstyle.

I will continue to use "sigmarine" because it is the word I prefer to use to describe them. It is not being used by me to be funny nor clever nor as a negative. It is a neutral term that ascribes their similarity to space marines in 40k, which anyone would have a very tough time trying to say they are not similar or the space marines of fantasy.

Fair enough. I disagree with you, but I'm not going to go on with this topic.

The funniest part to me is that those same people whining about "Sigmarines"(hurr!) are perfectly a-okay with Chaos Warriors; who from the outset were designed to be something similar to Chaos Marines.

We just never had a "good" version. Closest was the Empire Knightly Orders, but since they were mounted nobody seemed to make the connection.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The funniest part to me is that those same people whining about "Sigmarines"(hurr!) are perfectly a-okay with Chaos Warriors; who from the outset were designed to be something similar to Chaos Marines.

We just never had a "good" version. Closest was the Empire Knightly Orders, but since they were mounted nobody seemed to make the connection.

They also weren't divine superhumans chosen by god and didn't fly down from the sky. Lets not pretend Knights and Stormcast are in any way the same style of thing.

pm713 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The funniest part to me is that those same people whining about "Sigmarines"(hurr!) are perfectly a-okay with Chaos Warriors; who from the outset were designed to be something similar to Chaos Marines.

We just never had a "good" version. Closest was the Empire Knightly Orders, but since they were mounted nobody seemed to make the connection.

They also weren't divine superhumans chosen by god and didn't fly down from the sky. Lets not pretend Knights and Stormcast are in any way the same style of thing.

Of course they weren't, but by that same vein it was because they never showcased the "Good" deities as getting involved. We had a few lore bits of things like the Knights of Morr fighting off vampire-risen hordes, or some of the other Orders that were said to be 'holy' doing similar things against other foes, but never really had rules for it.
There's a reason why I said "closest was the Empire Knightly Orders".

The one time they did(End Times) showcase actual deities of Good getting involved, people threw a hissyfit about it being too Mary Sue.

I have no doubt that in the story line there will indeed be chaos sigmarines branch off. I wouldn't be surprised to have versions of primarchs either. Though I've been playing long enough where I remember fantasy chaos warriors had plasma pistol upgrades and 40k and whfb could interchange.

 auticus wrote:
I have no doubt that in the story line there will indeed be chaos sigmarines branch off. I wouldn't be surprised to have versions of primarchs either.

They literally have said they don't intend on doing anything like that.

Stormcast(which is easier to say than sigmarines, just not as cheeky and childish I guess) are meant to be the equivalent to Vampires, Chaos Warriors, etc for Order. Something that can be iconic and represent the faction's "goals" in one image.

They say a lot of things and turn around and do something else shortly thereafter *shrug* thats how they roll.

In fairness Chaos Warriors basically are like dark Stormcast - heavy superarmour and hulking shapes etc... I can well see GW splitting Chaos into two forces for the humans - the mortal group of Slaves to Darkness/Dark Oath and then an Everchosen army which focuses far more on the heavy thick armour Chaos Warriors and Knights - fleshing them out with a few more units and models to represent the fully Chaos corrupt.

Based on how little they have done with chaos warriors and the chaos mortal side in general, and how that is my primary faction ... I'd be happy if they got to be chaos sigmarines. That would make them likely not be the jobbers that they currently are now, making my opponents look good by virtue of army selection.

I'm sure chaos sigmarine models would also be pretty righteous.

Considering Warcry is this summer I figure Chaos Mortals are getting a lot of attention this summer. I will honestly be shocked if GW doesn't update Slaves to Darkness this summer alongside or right after Warcry (unless another shipment error causes a delay)

 Kanluwen wrote:
The funniest part to me is that those same people whining about "Sigmarines"(hurr!) are perfectly a-okay with Chaos Warriors; who from the outset were designed to be something similar to Chaos Marines.

We just never had a "good" version. Closest was the Empire Knightly Orders, but since they were mounted nobody seemed to make the connection.

It was quite the inverse. Space Marines were designed based in Chaos Warriors to try to emulate their appeal in the Sci-Fi audience (It was in some White Dwarf intervew. Basically people loved super soldiers in heavy armor, and Chaos Warriors were always the most popular part of Fantasy, at least in the late 80's). Stormcast Eternals are just GW going full circle.

I am waiting patiently to see what they do with Warcry.