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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but as modelled in the image below in the spoiler



Are they the 40k equivalent of wings? Like a jet pack?

BUDFORCE wrote:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but as modelled in the image below in the spoiler

Spoiler:

Are they the 40k equivalent of wings? Like a jet pack?

I'm 99.9% certain they're meant to be the vents from the backpack of a Chaos Space Marine's power armour suit (like in the pic below), but all mutated because it's a daemon prince!

Oh, so not wings then.

I am planning on having two in my army, but I wanted to model them as differently as possible for variation, ideally both having wings though.

Guess you cant have the best of both.

Get the better older daemon prince model.

He doesn't come with wings either, but you could probably find some one Ebay or something.

He's such a better model, it's unreal. I don't know why they even bothered releasing the plastic one, he's just bad.

BUDFORCE wrote:
Oh, so not wings then.

I am planning on having two in my army, but I wanted to model them as differently as possible for variation, ideally both having wings though.

Guess you cant have the best of both.

A lot of people use the wings from the plague drone kit on their Daemon Prince, which you could probably find on a bits site:



Doesn't necessarily need to be a Nurgle Prince with those wings, I could easily imagine a Tzeentch Prince having butterfly wings -- but if that's too insect-like for you, the AoS Crypt Horrors kit has a load of bat-like wings.

I would say Wings are just ornamental. In the Death Guard codex, they even say some Daemon Princes fly using the boney horn protrusions on their back, belching out a cloud of flies and noxious gasses to lift them up.

They're giant bloated daemons, so physics has no real limits to them.

The new jump packs that the Vanguard Supressor Marines use are just bigger power packs with fins on them, very similar to that mutated power pack the Prince has now.

So I'd say you can count it.

What about using Hive Tyrant wings? Might make for an interesting conversion.

BUDFORCE wrote:
Oh, so not wings then.

I am planning on having two in my army, but I wanted to model them as differently as possible for variation, ideally both having wings though.

Guess you cant have the best of both.

Given all the winged models that GW has produced over the years (+ infinitely more if you don't restrict yourself to GW sources), if you can't find two different sets of wings to mod your demon princes? Then you don't deserve to have flying models.

Never thought I’d be lucky to buy wings back when GW sold Balrog wings seperately.

Or, just use the wings that come in the Daemon Prince kit.

Those vents can be used to represent "Flight". Even with WYSIWYG was more defined and required, Daemons didn't buy "wings". At least not in a specific Codex edition (5th or 6th, I can't remember)

So if the upgrade is "Daemonic Flight", I see no issue with those back vents, plus some warp shenanigans representing a super natural entity fro flying in the same way wings would work.
That's what I do for mine:


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my daemon prince doesn't have wings so he can't fly but he can jump unnaturally far

gaza4 wrote:
my daemon prince doesn't have wings so he can't fly but he can jump unnaturally far

Only if he's named Jack.

Fair enough.

I am not planning on going to any tournaments or play anywhere where anyone will mind too much either way, so I think I'll just say its like a backpack thing, and use it with the fly keyword (obviously pay the points for the wings also). I think as some have said, you could argue it either way.

I have made my first one exactly the like 40k version on the back of the box, the second I have yet to assumble, but I think I might model it with an axe (to be used as an axe) and use the actual wings it comes with, but I might use one of the 40k shoulder pads on the arm that isnt holding the axe, try try and mix it up a little.

Should look sufficiently different.

I know the dual malefic talons are generally the best setup, but I always build my armies on cool first, and axes just look so cool! The axe might come in handy for hitting tanks etc anyway.

Thanks for all the replies guys.

They are vents, but if your question is, can I model it with the vents for 40k but still have him count as having wings, the answer is yes.

Only the biggest TFG would make any big deal over that.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
They are vents, but if your question is, can I model it with the vents for 40k but still have him count as having wings, the answer is yes.

Only the biggest TFG would make any big deal over that.

Dude, seriously. Don't make statements like that. Never go full Poe's law.

I think many people who have played for a long time prior to 7th ed. when WYSIWYG was a thing will raise a few eyebrows at it. We were brought up on WYSIWYG, you see one with big flappy wings on its back and one without and it is a reasonable assumption to make one does fly and the other does not. Now, I'd play against it myself but don't go throwing around TFG at people just because someone won't let you do something. That's not what being a TFG is, that just people being entitled. The term is so mutated now it's just not funny.

Now, if they have something similar in their list and didn't let you use it, then THAT is TFG behaviour.

I used the word is from the Chimera from AoS. They're big but they look amazing.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/952296-.html

My memory fails me in my old(er) age, wasn't there an FAQ somewhere that I can't find where they said literal wings aren't required? It was safe to assume that some princes use great bounding leaps etc to move around hence got fly?

Might be a 7th ed thing I'm thinking in the back of my head.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Get the better older daemon prince model.

He doesn't come with wings either, but you could probably find some one Ebay or something.

He's such a better model, it's unreal. I don't know why they even bothered releasing the plastic one, he's just bad.

Am I literally the only person who actually likes the current Daemon Prince model?

SG

Dudeface wrote:
My memory fails me in my old(er) age, wasn't there an FAQ somewhere that I can't find where they said literal wings aren't required? It was safe to assume that some princes use great bounding leaps etc to move around hence got fly?

Might be a 7th ed thing I'm thinking in the back of my head.

There was a 5th ed one that pretty much said a giant jump pack was not acceptable as wings (which, I and many other people around the globe duly ignored (Oh noes. Did I out myself as TFG there!?! )) but WYSIWYG has not existed as a concept since 7th ed apparently.

I can back up it does say in the DG codex that many DPs don't just use wings to fly, which is kinda just GW getting around the fact they not in fact sell a Nurgle DP with wings despite it having the option.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Get the better older daemon prince model.

He doesn't come with wings either, but you could probably find some one Ebay or something.

He's such a better model, it's unreal. I don't know why they even bothered releasing the plastic one, he's just bad.

Am I literally the only person who actually likes the current Daemon Prince model?

SG

It’s a possibility, but unlikely :p

I have spent a lot of money avoiding that daemon prince model myself.


I also think daemon models getting to fly without wings is fairly lore friendly for the most part.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Get the better older daemon prince model.

He doesn't come with wings either, but you could probably find some one Ebay or something.

He's such a better model, it's unreal. I don't know why they even bothered releasing the plastic one, he's just bad.

Am I literally the only person who actually likes the current Daemon Prince model?

SG

Nope. I've probably bought half a dozen over the years and used them all for different things. It's not an amazing model, but I like it well enough.

I refuse to buy the new DP model because it is so ugly. It looks like a low-poly, game-resolution 3D model from World of Warcraft. It's like they wanted to copy WoW (already a terrible choice) but instead of copying the style of the actual character illustrations they just looked at the horrendously outdated in-game screenshots of those old, low-poly character models from 2004 and copied those instead. You can tell by the "low-poly" look of the new DP's silhouette where there is an abundance of straight lines and hard angles, as if they were somehow constrained by gaming performance requirements and didn't have enough polygons to produce smooth, curved silhouettes. It was an incredibly regressive design choice.

A common technique in video games is to use a low polygon count 3D model to reduce hardware requirements and increase performance. It's always a worthwhile trade-off in video games because everything is moving around on screen so your eyes are less likely to perceive the lack of smooth curves and details. But trying to copy that style with miniatures just looks really stupid.

Plenty of examples in the fluff of Daemon Princes not needing actual 'wings' to fly, so a lot of my Daemon Princes do not have wings. I have also plenty *with* wings but I make it very clear to my opponent.

It's all about communication!

Also I genuinely like the Daemon Prince model, gets the job done and opens itself to TONS of customizing, just as it should be! I do dislike it's sword however.

But isn't is also a question of LoS? A demon prince with wings is much harder to hide, then one without. If both can fly, people would never model one with wings.

Karol wrote:
But isn't is also a question of LoS? A demon prince with wings is much harder to hide, then one without. If both can fly, people would never model one with wings.

DPs are characters with <10 wounds. Maneuver properly and they're exquisitely difficult to target.

Doesn't matter. It is like taking the new flying autocannon dudes off their fly stands, your changing the model to make it smaller and harder to hit. Plus the kit does come with wings. With your argumentation someone could glue his dudes without legs and claim that those are small IG models that dug in for cool effect, plus 1W humanoid sized models are already easy to hide.

Karol wrote:
Doesn't matter. It is like taking the new flying autocannon dudes off their fly stands, your changing the model to make it smaller and harder to hit. Plus the kit does come with wings. With your argumentation someone could glue his dudes without legs and claim that those are small IG models that dug in for cool effect, plus 1W humanoid sized models are already easy to hide.

Please actually read what I posted instead of going off on your usual knee-jerk ravings. I prefer my DPs with wings to actually have wings. Your comment about "but oh, they're too easy to shoot if you put on wings" is largely meaningless because of how easy they are to protect via the character rules.

Nowhere am I advocating modeling guardsmen or marines for advantage. So chill the feth out.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
They are vents, but if your question is, can I model it with the vents for 40k but still have him count as having wings, the answer is yes.

Only the biggest TFG would make any big deal over that.

Dude, seriously. Don't make statements like that. Never go full Poe's law.

I think many people who have played for a long time prior to 7th ed. when WYSIWYG was a thing will raise a few eyebrows at it. We were brought up on WYSIWYG, you see one with big flappy wings on its back and one without and it is a reasonable assumption to make one does fly and the other does not. Now, I'd play against it myself but don't go throwing around TFG at people just because someone won't let you do something. That's not what being a TFG is, that just people being entitled. The term is so mutated now it's just not funny.

Now, if they have something similar in their list and didn't let you use it, then THAT is TFG behaviour.

I bet supressors give you guys fits

Could put him on a flying stand to make it clear he has wings.