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When do you have to declare you are using a Solitaires blitz .
The recent FAQ says you can not use it while with 1" of an enemy.
It also added errata that you can not Advance and Blitz.

can I

1. Fall back enough to be out of 1" then declare blitz ?
2. Fall back, use twilight pathways in psychic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?
3. Advance in the movement phase, use twilight pathways in the psycic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?

 Type40 wrote:
When do you have to declare you are using a Solitaires blitz .
The recent FAQ says you can not use it while with 1" of an enemy.
It also added errata that you can not Advance and Blitz.

can I

1. Fall back enough to be out of 1" then declare blitz ?
2. Fall back, use twilight pathways in psychic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?
3. Advance in the movement phase, use twilight pathways in the psycic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?

Is the "Blitz" rule used "instead of making a normal move with the Solitaire..."?

If so, you can not advance.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Type40 wrote:
When do you have to declare you are using a Solitaires blitz .
The recent FAQ says you can not use it while with 1" of an enemy.
It also added errata that you can not Advance and Blitz.

can I

1. Fall back enough to be out of 1" then declare blitz ?
2. Fall back, use twilight pathways in psychic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?
3. Advance in the movement phase, use twilight pathways in the psycic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?

Is the "Blitz" rule used "instead of making a normal move with the Solitaire..."?

If so, you can not advance.

It is instead of making a normal move
and yes, i know you can not advance, like I mentioned above.

so again the question is can you

1. fallback then declare a blitz
2. fall back, use twilight pathways on the solitaire, then blitz during the psychic phase
3. advance in the movement phase, then when moving in the psychic phase due to TP declare a blitz

1) You cant fallback , it is a normal move.

2)No, see above, no fall back possible.

3) No as you need to use Blitz "instead of making a normal move" moving in the psychic phase is not a normal move.

 DeathReaper wrote:
1) You cant fallback , it is a normal move.

2)No, see above, no fall back possible.

3) No as you need to use Blitz "instead of making a normal move" moving in the psychic phase is not a normal move.

Where do the rules define "normal move" ?
why does the most recent errata specifically only specify advance if it also includes falling back ?

Twilight Pathways says "that unit can move as though it was the movement phase"

the most recent FAQ says that rules that allow a unit to do something in another phase act as though it WAS that phase... with that, how come a movement in the movement phase is a "normal move" but not in the psycic phase when the ability says to treat it just like the movement phase ?

do you have any references or rules to show whether or not any of your interpretations are accurate ?

You can use blitz during your twilight pathways move, as you are using it in lieu of the normal movement phase move granted to you by twilight pathways.

 Type40 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
1) You cant fallback , it is a normal move.

2)No, see above, no fall back possible.

3) No as you need to use Blitz "instead of making a normal move" moving in the psychic phase is not a normal move.

Where do the rules define "normal move" ?

In the movement phase rules in the BRB.

why does the most recent errata specifically only specify advance if it also includes falling back ?

no idea, ask GW.

Twilight Pathways says "that unit can move as though it was the movement phase"

the most recent FAQ says that rules that allow a unit to do something in another phase act as though it WAS that phase... with that, how come a movement in the movement phase is a "normal move" but not in the psycic phase when the ability says to treat it just like the movement phase ?

do you have any references or rules to show whether or not any of your interpretations are accurate ?

Then technically #3 would be allowed. but yes the rules references are, as I said, in the movement phase rules for #1 and 2

I don't see why #2 wouldn't be fine. You're using blitz during the move granted by twilight pathways. Whatever you did in the movement phase - fall back, advance, do nothing at all - is irrelevant.

Correction to my last statement, you cannot advance in the movement phase and then blitz in the psychic phase with twilight pathways because it is specifically called out. Mostly irrelevant as twilight pathways is more movement than advancing. The only time this would come up is if the solitaire has the starmist raiment, allowing him to ignore overwatch when advancing. There is no way to combine that with blitz.

Orbei wrote:
I don't see why #2 wouldn't be fine. You're using blitz during the move granted by twilight pathways. Whatever you did in the movement phase - fall back, advance, do nothing at all - is irrelevant.

If you are allowed to use blitz during the move granted by twilight pathways, then 2 should be okay.

However I would expect this to be FAQ'd to a No. because GW.

 DeathReaper wrote:
IIn the movement phase rules in the BRB.

Can you please point to a page number.

The term "normal move" isn't in the movement phase rules.
Where does it say a "normal move" is not just anytime you move during movement phase,, i.e. not a charge, pile in, consolidate and etc.

do you have an actual reference for this, or you going to keep pointing to the place I have obviously already looked ?


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iit would make more sense that "normal move" refers to movement during the movement phase , considering GW feels it is necessary to specify that you can not advance and use the ability .

Again, though, I could be wrong,
do you have a reference ?

 Type40 wrote:
When do you have to declare you are using a Solitaires blitz .
The recent FAQ says you can not use it while with 1" of an enemy.
It also added errata that you can not Advance and Blitz.

can I

1. Fall back enough to be out of 1" then declare blitz ?
2. Fall back, use twilight pathways in psychic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?
3. Advance in the movement phase, use twilight pathways in the psycic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?

Blitz
Once per battle, instead of making a normal move with the Solitaire, you can make a Blitz move with it. If you do so, add 2D6" to the model's Move characteristic for this turn. In addition, the model's Attack characteristic is increased to 10 for the rest of the turn. This ability may not be used if the model has been selected as the target of the "Twilight Pathways" psychic power in the previous Psychic Phase. A model cannot Advance and use this ability in the same turn.

Q: If a Solitaire is within 1" of an enemy unit, can it use its
Blitz ability?
A: No.

1. No, you cant. Falling back is not a normal move. Falling back is falling back. The movement phase gives you three different choices of movement : Move (this would be a normal move), fall back, advance.
2. Yes, you can. If you didnt use Twilight pathways on the solitaire in the previous psychic phase.
3. No, you cant. Blitz literally says : "A model cannot Advance and use this ability in the same turn."

 Type40 wrote:
When do you have to declare you are using a Solitaires blitz .
The recent FAQ says you can not use it while with 1" of an enemy.
It also added errata that you can not Advance and Blitz.

can I

1. Fall back enough to be out of 1" then declare blitz ?
2. Fall back, use twilight pathways in psychic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?
3. Advance in the movement phase, use twilight pathways in the psycic phase on the solitaire, then blitz ?

1. No, you can't declare Blitz in the middle of your movement, you have to do it before moving.

2. Yes, you can.

3. No, you cannot because "A model cannot Advance and use this ability in the same turn."

 Type40 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
IIn the movement phase rules in the BRB.

Can you please point to a page number.

Page 3 in the Battle Primer defines the Movement phase and the rules for normal movement in the 40k game...

The term "normal move" isn't in the movement phase rules.

The term "normal move" does not need to be in the movement phase rules because the base movement rules are the rules for a normal move...

Where does it say a "normal move" is not just anytime you move during movement phase,, i.e. not a charge, pile in, consolidate and etc.

The rules for the movement phase give the rules for normal movement in 40K.

do you have an actual reference for this, or you going to keep pointing to the place I have obviously already looked ?

the reference is that you saw the rules for normal movement, yet ignored them or maybe didn't understand them?

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Type40 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
IIn the movement phase rules in the BRB.

Can you please point to a page number.

Page 3 in the Battle Primer defines the Movement phase and the rules for normal movement in the 40k game...

The term "normal move" isn't in the movement phase rules.

The term "normal move" does not need to be in the movement phase rules because the base movement rules are the rules for a normal move...

Where does it say a "normal move" is not just anytime you move during movement phase,, i.e. not a charge, pile in, consolidate and etc.

The rules for the movement phase give the rules for normal movement in 40K.

do you have an actual reference for this, or you going to keep pointing to the place I have obviously already looked ?

the reference is that you saw the rules for normal movement, yet ignored them or maybe didn't understand them?

I dont agree with your RAI and interpretation of this but I do agree with how to play the ability...

Just pointing out , you are making a huge interpretation not RAW. RAW doesn't define "normal movement"
There is rules for the Movement phase, one could argue that all rules defined there are "normal movement"
Hence why the Errata and FAQ specify "no advancing with blitz" and "no blitzing when you are within 1" of an enemy"

It is clear that you can not advance and blitz (as per the errata) and it is clear that you can not fall back and blitz (because as BCB pointed out blitz must be done before movement and the errata says you can not blitz if you are within 1inch of an enemy).
Normal movement clearly is any movement defined in the "Movement Phase" rules. There is no reason to think otherwise and nowhere does it say that "advancing" or "falling back" is some alternative to the "movement" rules.

for advancing it says "When you pick a unit to move in the Movement phase,you can declare that it will Advance." this is an extension of the "moving" rules not an alternative.
falling back similarly says "Units starting the Movement phase within 1" of an enemy unit can either remain stationary or Fall Back.the unit must end its move more than 1"" also clearly written as an extension to "moving rules"

As it is written all of the rules presented on pg 3 of the battle primer are "movement." None of them are presented as alternatives but rather defining features of what is Movement and the Movement phase.
It is clear that when the game refers to "Normal Movement" it is referring to anything you can do in "the movement phase" as presented on page 3 of the battle primer.

What is not "normal movement" is the blitz itself, as it is specifically presented as an alternative option.

In conclusion,
the answers to my questions are clearly
1. no (blitz is declared before movement)
2. yes
3. no, because you can't advance in the same turn you use blitz

and to clarify, Normal movement is anything you can NORMALLY do in the movement phase. Just to clarify this for other rules. Hence why the recent Errata was necessary and to disallow players from using blitz when they advance or fall back.

 Type40 wrote:


I dont agree with your RAI and interpretation of this...

Then you do not agree with RAW.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Type40 wrote:


I dont agree with your RAI and interpretation of this...

Then you do not agree with RAW.

This is tantamount to typing “you are wrong” as your post, which is poor faith arguing, as is saying an interpretation is RAW when making leaps not in the actual text.

Another thread was recently locked because of people claiming the Movement Phase rules were, RAW, rules for all movement, even though this isn’t stated in the rules. When interpreting and using common sense/judgement, don’t say “this is RAW” to try and prop it up.

FWIW, the Movement Phase rules *must* be the default movement rules, but as it’s not stated people need to stop claiming they’re using pure RAW when they’re actually discussing an interpretation of the RAW.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Type40 wrote:


I dont agree with your RAI and interpretation of this...

Then you do not agree with RAW.

This is tantamount to typing “you are wrong” as your post, which is poor faith arguing, as is saying an interpretation is RAW when making leaps not in the actual text.

Another thread was recently locked because of people claiming the Movement Phase rules were, RAW, rules for all movement, even though this isn’t stated in the rules. When interpreting and using common sense/judgement, don’t say “this is RAW” to try and prop it up.

FWIW, the Movement Phase rules *must* be the default movement rules, but as it’s not stated people need to stop claiming they’re using pure RAW when they’re actually discussing an interpretation of the RAW.

I never said “you are wrong” I gave rules quotes in my previous posts. I would have duplicated the quotes had i felt it necessary.

The Movement Phase rules *are* the default movement rules, as that is how the English language works. As such that IS pure RAW.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Type40 wrote:


I dont agree with your RAI and interpretation of this...

Then you do not agree with RAW.

This is tantamount to typing “you are wrong” as your post, which is poor faith arguing, as is saying an interpretation is RAW when making leaps not in the actual text.

Another thread was recently locked because of people claiming the Movement Phase rules were, RAW, rules for all movement, even though this isn’t stated in the rules. When interpreting and using common sense/judgement, don’t say “this is RAW” to try and prop it up.

FWIW, the Movement Phase rules *must* be the default movement rules, but as it’s not stated people need to stop claiming they’re using pure RAW when they’re actually discussing an interpretation of the RAW.

I never said “you are wrong” I gave rules quotes in my previous posts. I would have duplicated the quotes had i felt it necessary.

The Movement Phase rules *are* the default movement rules, as that is how the English language works. As such that IS pure RAW.

No, that is the definition of an interpretation.

 Stux wrote:

No, that is the definition of an interpretation.

No it is not. that is just the facts. I didn't interpret a certain way. the English language does that for us, and it can only mean one thing.

I agree they are the default rules for moving, only nothing tells us that so you cannot say it is RAW that they are. That is where your interpretation comes in.

But I’ll stop this line of challenge as it’s how the last thread got locked, a circular trip round this very thing.

The rules in the movement phase section tell you how to move models in all phases of the game. You seem to be looking for a line preceding the movement section which says something along the lines of "use the rules covered within each section of this book for all actions while playing the game of Warhammer 40k." No such line exists. If this seems like a gap in RAW, that's an interpretation. The more reasonable interpretation is to follow the rules in the book as they appear in all cases they can be applied unless told otherwise. This is like searching for a rule stating that all six sided dice be numbered 1-6.

It’s not, at all, and I’m pleased people are using common sense and applying relevant rules sensibly, but this habit of typing “that’s RAW” to try and prop up an interpretation needs to get into the sea.

 Type40 wrote:


for advancing it says "When you pick a unit to move in the Movement phase,you can declare that it will Advance." this is an extension of the "moving" rules not an alternative.
falling back similarly says "Units starting the Movement phase within 1" of an enemy unit can either remain stationary or Fall Back.the unit must end its move more than 1"" also clearly written as an extension to "moving rules"

As it is written all of the rules presented on pg 3 of the battle primer are "movement." None of them are presented as alternatives but rather defining features of what is Movement and the Movement phase.
It is clear that when the game refers to "Normal Movement" it is referring to anything you can do in "the movement phase" as presented on page 3 of the battle primer.

Except that in the case of advancing you declare that the unit will Advance. You're not declaring that the unit is making a normal move.

Answers to OP,

1. no
2. Maybe*
3. Maybe*

Blitz is instead of norm move, fallback and advance are not normal movement. Moving normally is moving up to the move characteristic and following the rules for moving normally. Both fallback move and advance move are optional movement mods you can choose to do instead of moving normally.

The solitaire gets a third option in blitz, the rules for blitz tell us that instead of moving normally a solitaire can make a blitz move, it's an actual movement choice not additional benefits ontop of other movement choices.

Maybe for 2. Is based on the last sentences of blitz regarding twilight pathways as specifically mentioned in the rules for blitz and how you read previous psychic phase.

If you are bored and don`t know what to do with your time, try playing some online games.

Speaking of being bored, you've dug up a thread that's over two years old...