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Got two lists to get some feedback and opinions on, both are fairly if not quite competative

1st list

Brigade detachment T'au sept

HQ
Cadre Fireblade with markerlight and puretide engram neurochip (warlord)
Shadowsun
Coldstar commander with 4 FB

Troops
4 x 5 man strike team, shasui with markerlight, DS8 turret with missile pod
2 x 5 man strike team, shasui with markerlight,


Elites
2 Riptides with HBC, SMS, VT and ATS
3 stealth suits with BC

Fast Attack
3 x 5 shield drones

Heavy Support
2 x Broadside with HYMP, SMS and ATS
1 x 2 Broadsides with HYMP, SMS and ATS

Vanguard detatchment Sacae sept
HQ
Ethereal

Elite
3 x Firesight Marksman


2nd list

Battalion Detachment T'au Sept
HQ
Shadowsun
Coldstar commander with 4 FB

Troops
3 x 5 man strike team, shasui with markerlight, DS8 turret with missile pod

Elites
2 Riptides with HBC, SMS, VT and ATS

Fast Attack
2 x 5 shield drones
1x 6 shield drones

Heavy Support
2 x 2 Broadside with HYMP, SMS and ATS

Battalion Detachment T'au Sept
HQ
Cadre Fireblade with markerlight and puretide engram neurochip (warlord)
Darkstrider

Troops
3 x 5 man strike team, shasui with markerlight, DS8 turret with missile pod


Vanguard detatchment Sacae sept
HQ
Ethereal

Elites
3 x Firesight Marksman


So question is do people think that darkstrider and 1 shield drone is worth trading in for 3 stealth suits, 2 extra DS8 turrets and 2 extra CP

Lastly not sure if this belongs more in the strategy/tactics forum but a friend on mine is really struggling playing his chaos daemons against tau and was wondering how chaos (daemons/thousand sons/chaos marines) should deal with tau lists similar to these 2.

Well you can't have two commanders in the same detachment (shadowsun and cold star commander), this is easily corrected, and both lists look fairly competitive.

The chaos player can try to overwhelm the tau player by having so much stuff deepstrike that the greater good can't help. Or you need to blow away the drones and go after the riptides and broadsides. Or.... its just a bad match up.

 Sazzlefrats wrote:
Well you can't have two commanders in the same detachment (shadowsun and cold star commander), this is easily corrected, and both lists look fairly competitive.

The chaos player can try to overwhelm the tau player by having so much stuff deepstrike that the greater good can't help. Or you need to blow away the drones and go after the riptides and broadsides. Or.... its just a bad match up.

Thanks for the clarification on the commanders not sure why i didnt twig it must have been keyword related and not just the data sheet but yes an easy fix for the 2nd list but probably rules out being able to take the bridage detachment as i found it difficult to squeeze in the extra elite to make it up, probbaly wouldnt have the points spare to be able to add in anything else to move the commander into the vanguard and take another HQ.

Im starting to think its just a bad matchup as my friend has tried many different combinations of daemon and thousand sons, daemon, TS and black legion.

Most of the time the daemons run Nurgle and then flesh out the rest of the list with cultists and sorcerors, last game there was 3 units of 30 cultists deep striking with abbadon and a max unit of bloodletters but still wasnt enough to make it through, might post this in the strategy section as my mates starting to think the match is unwinnable but maybe theres a unit or a gameplan we are both missing.

I play a much softer list of Tau.. (5 drones)1 unit of broadsides, 1 or no riptides... Tau is just a beast in 8th edition. I play hard, but the list isn't soft enough yet. My next list will have 1 unit of riptide and no broadsides and no stormsurge.

Kayotskuo wrote:
Thanks for the clarification on the commanders not sure why i didnt twig it must have been keyword related and not just the data sheet

P.126 of the Tau Empire Codex. Little Black Box titled 'Matched Play Rule: Commanders'

For your friend playing Chaos... If he wants to go up against this competitive style tau list... 2 units of 30 plaugebears... Miasma one.. so making them -2 to hit and have another unit of 30 behind that one.. with the strat that makes them have the character rule thingy (cant shoot at them if they arent the closest). I might be mistaken if they cant use that.. SO bascially your tau are trying to hit on 6s while his army is slowly moving up the board taking objectives and just have board control. But it really depends on what he is playing.. Might not be on par with your list?

I like it.

But why the 3 stealth suits?

 Elian wrote:
I like it.

But why the 3 stealth suits?

Was just to fill out the 3rd elites choice to be able to take the brigade for the extra CP, the kroot character doesnt seem to do anything useful and ive already got 3 marksmen so 3 stealth suits were the next cheapest option.
Plus as most of the army is a static castle they would be useful units to have for maneouvering claming objectives outside the DZ and scoring objectives like behind enemy lines

i agree.

Plus they are super resilient if you put them near some shield drones believe me