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Need a bit of list building advice. I’m now in possession of 6 jet bikes, 3 outriders, 1 land speeder, 5 ebon keshig, the Forgeworld cataphractii praetor and a leviathan with 2 storm cannons and am planning on adding 10 regular cataphractii. What can I do with this to make a good “take all comers force”? I’m used to running hordes and tanks with the VIth so reduced numbers and bikes are a bit alien to me.

So this is what I've planned so far. Does this look like a decent start for an all-comers list? (everything is bought but not built) Is it worth putting melee weapons of the bike sergeants or the phosphex on the leviathan? I also feel the need for a second HQ, should I go with a librarian on jetbike/bike or a warmonger with the terminators and praetor for some deep striking rather than using outflank?

++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [1,997pts] ++

+ HQ +

Librarian [175pts]: Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Armour (Centurion/Consul), Psychic Mastery Level 2, Refractor Field
. Consul
. . Librarian
. Force Weapon: Force Axe
. Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion: Heavy Bolter

Praetor, Legion [177pts]: Cyber-hawk, On Foot, Power Glaive
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Combi-Weapon: Combi-weapon: Meltagun

Warmonger [130pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, On Foot, Power Glaive
. Consul
. . Warmonger

+ Elites +

Terminator Squad, Legion [425pts]
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter

The Ebon Keshig [225pts]: 5x Kharash, 5x Power Glaive
. Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armour

+ Troops +

Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron, Legion , Compulsory [315pts]: 4x Heavy Bolter, 2x Plasma Cannon, 6x Space Marine Sky Hunters
. Additional Wargear: Melta Bombs
. Standard Wargear
. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade
. Upgrade One Model to a Sky Hunter Sergeant: Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade

Outrider Squad, Legion , Compulsory [180pts]: 3x Space Marine Outrider, Legion, Twin-linked Plasma gun
. Standard Wargear
. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade
. Upgrade One Model to an Outrider Sergeant: Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade

+ Fast Attack +

Land Speeder Squadron, Legion [70pts]
. Land Speeder, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Plasma Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [300pts]
. Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Leviathan Storm Cannon, Leviathan Storm Cannon, Twin-linked Volkite Caliver, Twin-linked Volkite Caliver

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: V: White Scars, Loyalist

Rite of War: Chogorian Brotherhood

Chogorian Brotherhood requires your Warlord to be mounted (and the Librarian doesn’t count - Support Officer rule). It also penalizes you if you lose all your bikes or jetbikes (we’re all assuming they meant “and”, not “or”), which you will, because you hardly have any.

I don’t think Cataphractii on foot really work, whether outflanking or deep striking. Everything that isn’t immobile can and should run away from them. They’ll need a Spartan, Kharybdis, or Land Raider Phoboses (with divided squads). The only thing you can count on is a good round of shooting. Also, if you haven’t built them yet, I’d give them a mix of close combat weapons - they don’t all need chainfists, and a couple of single lightning claws would be a good idea.

It’s not so bad with Tartaros, though you could always give the Ebon Keshig a (non-dedicated) Dreadclaw. Not a big deal at 2000 points.

Leviathans also struggle on foot because of their short range, but it’s not so bad with that shooty loadout. Not very fluffy if you run Chogorian Brotherhood, though. How did the Dreadnought get there - by running? Right now you have more of a Pride of the Legion list, imo.

Don’t forget that plasma cannons can’t fire if they jink; that’s why you don’t see them often on jetbikes or land speeders. Lots of people take plasma on infantry, though, since the cyberhawk lets infantry (on-foot infantry) reroll ones to hit. By all means try your loadout, but… magnetize, in case you change your mind.

Sky Hunters are arguably being misused if you do anything but shoot at infantry from 24-30” away before zooming for a late-game objective (not enough offensive melee power for the points), but in smaller games like this I can understand needing them to be versatile and having meltabombs. Plasma outriders are fine, if expensive, as 3-man harassment squads. I like bolter outriders as large melee squads with meltabombs and as many power weapons as you’re allowed to take. Consider going that way if you grow the army into the Chogorian Brotherhood RoW.