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If you deploy a cobra or scorpion with cloudstrike onto the table then what invulnerable save does it have? Because the save is based on its movement

warpedpig wrote:
If you deploy a cobra or scorpion with cloudstrike onto the table then what invulnerable save does it have? Because the save is based on its movement

It doesn't get one. It counts as moving but hasn't moved any distance "in your last Movement phase."

GW added a line about having moved max distance to some Astra Copywritum stratagems but did not do so for Eldar ones. Just your run of the mill GW incompetence.

warpedpig wrote:
If you deploy a cobra or scorpion with cloudstrike onto the table then what invulnerable save does it have? Because the save is based on its movement

P.10 Of the new FAQ https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/warhammer_40000_rulebook_en.pdf.

Although the section on the left mainly talks about units that have been removed from the battlefield and then then placed back in another time. E.G. Scatchah knight Warp shunt

I think the same principles would apply.
It isn't crystal clear cut but I think the RAI is there.

As another example, if you cloud-striked a prism, it could only shoot its turret once IMO.

Hope this helps.

 Argive wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
If you deploy a cobra or scorpion with cloudstrike onto the table then what invulnerable save does it have? Because the save is based on its movement

P.10 Of the new FAQ https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/warhammer_40000_rulebook_en.pdf.

Although the section on the left mainly talks about units that have been removed from the battlefield and then then placed back in another tame. E.G. Warp spiders warp generators ability.

I think the same principles would apply.
It isn't crystal clear cut but I think the RAI is there.

As another example, if you cloud-striked a prism, it could only shoot its turret once IMO.

Hope this helps.

I'm sorry but I can't see anything on page 10 that is in any way relevant to the question at hand? If you mean the answer on page 9 to the question "Q: What rules apply to units that are removed from the battlefield after deployment (via abilities, Stratagems or psychic powers), and are then set back up again on the battlefield?", that answer is not applicable because the Cobra or Scorpion that deploy via Cloudstrike have not been "removed from the battlefield after deployment". The same principles do not apply, any more than a +1 modifier to To Hit rolls would apply to the To Wound roll.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Argive wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
If you deploy a cobra or scorpion with cloudstrike onto the table then what invulnerable save does it have? Because the save is based on its movement

P.10 Of the new FAQ https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/warhammer_40000_rulebook_en.pdf.

Although the section on the left mainly talks about units that have been removed from the battlefield and then then placed back in another tame. E.G. Warp spiders warp generators ability.

I think the same principles would apply.
It isn't crystal clear cut but I think the RAI is there.

As another example, if you cloud-striked a prism, it could only shoot its turret once IMO.

Hope this helps.

I'm sorry but I can't see anything on page 10 that is in any way relevant to the question at hand? If you mean the answer on page 9 to the question "Q: What rules apply to units that are removed from the battlefield after deployment (via abilities, Stratagems or psychic powers), and are then set back up again on the battlefield?", that answer is not applicable because the Cobra or Scorpion that deploy via Cloudstrike have not been "removed from the battlefield after deployment". The same principles do not apply, any more than a +1 modifier to To Hit rolls would apply to the To Wound roll.

I'm beginning to see a reason why most people have you in their ignore list.
I literarily just said that strictly speaking it doesn't apply in this situation as its not the same thing. It is however a similar thing... You obviously didn't bother reading my post fully are just looking to have an argument and not trying to being helpful, at all.

Rolling to hit is not the same as rolling to wound *clap clap clap* do you want a cookie? How is that relevant?

Re-deploying and deploying in a later turn as if through DS, is very similar to deploying out of DS.. With a lack of clarity same principles might be argued to apply.
Its the best OP is going to get and might help them with real life application to his problem and then aid in making a decision.

@ OP - Sometimes you have to get creative when there isin't a clear ruleset FAQ. Best thing to do is check with your opponent before hand. or TO.

 Argive wrote:
Re-deploying and deploying in a later turn as if through DS, is very similar to deploying out of DS.. With a lack of clarity same principles might be argued to apply.
Its the best OP is going to get and might help them with real life application to his problem and then aid in making a decision.

And rolling To Hit is "similar" to rolling To Wound.

The FAQ you cited does not apply to this situation and, imho, it is disingenuous and unhelpful to bring it up to an unrelated situation.

I apologise if you found my post to be combative, text is a difficult medium to convey tone with.

It’s so lame you don’t get any invuln save if you cloudstrike. And if you deploy normally and don’t get first turn you also do not get it.

Its so lame that SM tanks cant deepstrike. Its even more lame that they dont get an inv at all (except LR).

 p5freak wrote:
Its so lame that SM tanks cant deepstrike. Its even more lame that they dont get an inv at all (except LR).

Give it a codex edition or two...

It’s lame because every lame ass knight or other high tier imperial unit gets an invuln but the Eldar only gets it if they move in a previous turn. You just get alpha striked turn 1 with no shield

So when you DS any unit do they count as having moved to fire their heavy weapons?

 Argive wrote:
So when you DS any unit do they count as having moved to fire their heavy weapons?

Reinforcements sidebar Page 3 battle primer answers this question.