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2019/07/10 11:59:01
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Norn Queen
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Title says it all
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2019/07/10 13:07:11
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Agreed. It's arguably even more distinct from 40k than Kill Team is.
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2019/07/10 14:17:39
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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Perhaps just have a subsection for Apocalypse in general
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2019/07/10 15:44:22
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Lieutenant General
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Apocalypse (or any game) won't have its own forum until it has proven to have enough sustained discussion to warrant one.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2019/07/11 02:31:35
Subject: Re:Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Douglas Bader
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Disagree. It's a better 40k game than 40k is and is pretty much a straight replacement.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2019/07/11 05:43:14
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Hardly, give it a month and You and BCB will have ripped it into pieces. I'm sure BCB alone will generate enough post about rules to justify a separate Apocalypse forum.
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2019/07/11 05:48:11
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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...with not a single game played between them.
FWIW I agree with OP that Apocalypse should have its own space.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2019/07/11 22:01:51
Subject: Re:Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Peregrine wrote:Disagree. It's a better 40k game than 40k is and is pretty much a straight replacement.
That doesn't mean it's any different to Kill Team in terms of being a different game mode. It absolutely should be treated as a specialist game, like Kill Team, even if you believe it's superior.
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2019/07/12 02:54:06
Subject: Re:Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Douglas Bader
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Sgt_Smudge wrote:Peregrine wrote:Disagree. It's a better 40k game than 40k is and is pretty much a straight replacement.
That doesn't mean it's any different to Kill Team in terms of being a different game mode. It absolutely should be treated as a specialist game, like Kill Team, even if you believe it's superior.
Kill team is a very different game because it's a 10-model skirmish game. Apocalypse is more like 8th edition replacing 7th, it's a direct and superior substitute for the old version of the game.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2019/07/12 06:57:40
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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No, no it isn’t. It’s even marketed as a third style of 40K. Stop trying to pretend your preference (after playing zero games) is fact. Apocalypse is demonstrably not a replacement for 8th edition.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2019/07/12 08:35:19
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Norn Queen
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In principle I'd agree with its own subsection but I'd give it 2-3 months to see it really takes off before building one.
Could be dead by later this year if GW dont keep up with the support for it.
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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2019/07/12 11:41:02
Subject: Re:Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Peregrine wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote:Peregrine wrote:Disagree. It's a better 40k game than 40k is and is pretty much a straight replacement.
That doesn't mean it's any different to Kill Team in terms of being a different game mode. It absolutely should be treated as a specialist game, like Kill Team, even if you believe it's superior.
Kill team is a very different game because it's a 10-model skirmish game. Apocalypse is more like 8th edition replacing 7th, it's a direct and superior substitute for the old version of the game.
But if you play 40k at a smaller points level, Kill Team is more like 40k than Apocalypse is. On paper, they're both just expansions of the base 40k game, you shouldn't have Kill Team relegated to Specialist Games, and not Apocalypse.
Just because you like it (and who knows, I might like Apocalypse if I sat down and played it) doesn't mean it's any more than what Kill Team is - an expansion.
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2019/07/12 13:27:42
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Terrifying Doombull
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Neither are expansions. They're separate rule sets (entirely so, in the case of Apocalypse). The old cities of death was an expansion, the new Apoc is a completely different game.
Which is why it should be in a separate section. An expansion wouldn't be.
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2019/07/12 18:04:27
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Norn Queen
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While apoc is marketed as a new game all the talk is about apoc being used in place of 8th. Not just by me here but in my local shops.
I agree we should wait and see how active a topic it becomes before a new section is created. But dont discredit the idea that its a new edition of the base game by another name if thats how people are going to use it.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2019/07/12 18:36:37
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Lance845 wrote:While apoc is marketed as a new game all the talk is about apoc being used in place of 8th. Not just by me here but in my local shops.
I agree we should wait and see how active a topic it becomes before a new section is created. But dont discredit the idea that its a new edition of the base game by another name if thats how people are going to use it.
Where can I find this talk - or better yet, a review?
I was thinking of using the new Apocalypse rules as a basis for a new " 40K Epic" game, but maybe I should be looking at it to replace 40K 8th straight up?
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2019/07/12 18:50:46
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Douglas Bader
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Alpharius wrote: Lance845 wrote:While apoc is marketed as a new game all the talk is about apoc being used in place of 8th. Not just by me here but in my local shops.
I agree we should wait and see how active a topic it becomes before a new section is created. But dont discredit the idea that its a new edition of the base game by another name if thats how people are going to use it.
Where can I find this talk - or better yet, a review?
I was thinking of using the new Apocalypse rules as a basis for a new " 40K Epic" game, but maybe I should be looking at it to replace 40K 8th straight up?
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/777567.page
TL;DR: some balance issues (like any GW game) but the core rules are promising and the few issues can probably be fixed by a "normal 40k" set of house rules.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2019/07/12 19:49:26
Subject: Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Norn Queen
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Alpharius wrote: Lance845 wrote:While apoc is marketed as a new game all the talk is about apoc being used in place of 8th. Not just by me here but in my local shops.
I agree we should wait and see how active a topic it becomes before a new section is created. But dont discredit the idea that its a new edition of the base game by another name if thats how people are going to use it.
Where can I find this talk - or better yet, a review?
I was thinking of using the new Apocalypse rules as a basis for a new " 40K Epic" game, but maybe I should be looking at it to replace 40K 8th straight up?
I would say yes. Replace it straight up. My 2k nids list is 126pl. 100-150 pl in apoc is what people seem to be playing. Ive had 2 games so far and i have 2 more planned for this weekend. This literally revitalized my interest in playing 40k.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2019/07/16 12:29:38
Subject: Re:Apocalypse rules questions should be in Specialist Games like Kill Team
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Villanous Scum
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Can we please keep all 40k Apocalypse conversation (except N&R and P&M) to the Specialist Games forum and tag it appropriately. If it generates enough conversation we can look at adding an exclusive forum for it but until then that's the place to post it.
Thanks all,
ingtaer.
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