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2019/07/11 02:17:26
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Acolyte of Goodwin
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Not exactly sure where this should go but here goes -
I have never been in the habit myself, but many people are in the habit of 'sharpening' the tip of their brushes by putting it in their mouths.
It has recently come to my attention that a well known brand of mini acrylic paint, I am not going to say which, has given a small amount of people cancer. This is due to the trace presence of certain minerals or chemicals such as Cadmium, Cobalt and Chromium in their line. Any of these, but particularly Cadmium, are considered toxic even when ingested at very small amounts. *Edit - this issue has since been fixed, but older stock is still out there in many places.
The point is you don't know what is in your paints. And in today's age with so many alternatives of excellent quality from new, small companies as well as huge ones we have more options than ever. These products are often mixed in places where other lines are made too, and you have no way to know if that equipment was decontaminated properly. Play it safe guys, learn to roll your brush on paper or the back of your hand to get that fine point, you can't count on it that your paints are as non-toxic as advertised (if they even are advertised as such).
I realize many will want specifics, but I am not going to be naming and shaming. The only point I have to give is very simple - don't eat paint. What you do with it is up to you, you are free to believe or disbelieve me, I just thought something should be said if some were doing it but skeptical.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/07/12 19:23:46
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2019/07/11 02:39:59
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Please add a source, which will indeed include naming the company. Without a source this is no more credible than me saying Space Marines will get a new codex tomorrow.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/07/11 02:40:32
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2019/07/11 02:46:14
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Wow thanks for that infomation MajorTom. That's pretty scary.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2019/07/11 03:04:21
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2019/07/11 03:01:01
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Deadly Dire Avenger
The Webway
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Yeah, i have to be honest, whats the point of this without naming the company? Who is it? Cause i'm not gonna bother to break the habit without more information.
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Laugh with the Laughing God. Outplay the Great Enemy. |
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2019/07/11 03:06:07
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well he said his point is that, you dont know whats in any of the paints you get. Which is true, better to be safe then risk it.
As far as im aware all paint is toxic unless it states otherwise on the labeling. And toxic = all sorts of health issues, possibly even the same issues the OP stated ( cancer ). I should note, i am an armchair doctor or what ever you want to call it right now, because i don't really know any thing about this subject.
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This message was edited 6 times. Last update was at 2019/07/11 03:14:52
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2019/07/11 04:04:04
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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This just falls under the general public safety warning: Don't drink your paint or paint water.
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2019/07/11 04:19:03
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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solkan wrote:This just falls under the general public safety warning: Don't drink your paint or paint water.
Well to be fair, i have seen alot of youtuber painters doing what the OP is talking about. I always found it a bit unusual that they wouldn't mind risking getting saliva on there models, but what ever.
Edit - well i mean they are putting salivia on it any way to sharpen point, so dont know what im saying.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/07/11 04:20:12
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2019/07/11 04:22:04
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Norn Queen
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I have seen a lot of idiots do a lot of dumb things on a regular basis. That doesn't mean it's safe or anyone should do it.
Don't eat paint. Paint isn't food. Stop putting not food into your mouth.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2019/07/11 04:44:55
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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2019/07/11 04:51:14
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Citation or is didnt happen.
Honestly, if you are not gonna tell, why tell people at all?
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2019/07/11 04:53:00
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
USA
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I feel like this would be something people would just know not to do after the Radium Girls. Sure it's not radium in there, but I just assumed people were smart enough to not put manufactured chemicals or anything that touches them, in their mouths. Half the time the company selling the stuff to the company that sold the stuff to the company that sold it to you doesn't even know whats in their products, or even took the time to ask.
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2019/07/11 04:53:08
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Ship's Officer
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I'd guess it'd be vallejo, cause I heard about the cadmium thing before. Tbh even though Citadel paints are listed as non toxic on the website the actual pots don't say the same. They just say ASTM compliant, so whatever.
The bigger question for me is, how bad is it to get paint on your hands. Because your skin absorbs what it comes in contact with.
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2019/07/11 04:58:42
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Norn Queen
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Thargrim wrote:I'd guess it'd be vallejo, cause I heard about the cadmium thing before. Tbh even though Citadel paints are listed as non toxic on the website the actual pots don't say the same. They just say ASTM compliant, so whatever.
The bigger question for me is, how bad is it to get paint on your hands. Because your skin absorbs what it comes in contact with.
As an emulsion, the bulk of all the chemicals in the paint as suspended in a semi stable compound that should not be absorbing into your skin. The latex and acrylic in the water base along with any bonding agents in the body should keep it all pretty safely on the outside. You need to actually ingest it to be a problem. It's not like harsher paints where the base is a harsher chemical which is itself something to avoid skin contact with. Just don't eat it.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2019/07/11 05:03:59
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Ship's Officer
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That's good, i've never done the brush licking thing but I did mistake my paint water for my mixed drink before. I heard vallejo started removing cadmium in their paints going forward, not sure about the others though.
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2019/07/11 07:35:17
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Battlefield Tourist
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I don't put my brushes in my mouth, never got in the habit of that. I use my fingers to get a point.
But I am pretty interested in this anyway. What kind of cancer did these people get? Did they have any other risk factors for that cancer? How long were they painting?
I find it unlikely the cancer was caused from this source alone.
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2019/07/11 08:32:24
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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MajorTom11 wrote:
It has recently come to my attention that a well known brand of mini acrylic paint, I am not going to say which, has given several people cancer. This is due to the trace presence of certain minerals or chemicals such as Cadmium, Cobalt and Chromium in their line. Any of these, but particularly Cadmium, are considered toxic even when ingested at very small amounts.
As in, the definitive, sole cause of Cancer? Yeah? From a reputable medical source, peer reviewed, and definitely not The Man In The Pub?
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2019/07/11 08:50:26
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Vallejo used to have cadmium in some of their paints. Apparently they eliminated it about 5 years ago, but older bottles will have still been in the supply chain for some time after that.
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2019/07/11 09:20:10
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Executing Exarch
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As someone who licks their brushes quite frequently, I'll need more than just a post saying this for me to stop, I don't get the point I want from rolling the bristles on paper or using my finger, plus it dries out the hairs.
Colour me skeptical until there are some sources.
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2019/07/11 09:41:43
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I use the top of my left hand to do this. By the end of each session my hand looks pretty ridiculous.
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2019/07/11 09:55:54
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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I was always under the impression that licking brushes was something you never should have been doing from the start. Than again, I’m old enough to have worked with actual lead miniatures, so the hobby =/= mouth bit is something I’ve been doing for a while now.
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2019/07/11 09:58:09
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh
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Did Reginald Kingsbury 3rd get cancer?
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2019/07/11 10:06:13
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Well this thread seems a little pointless (ha! ) right now...
"Name your sources"
"SHUT UP SAXTON! I'M AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST. I DON'T NEED TO NAME SOURCES!"
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Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
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2019/07/11 10:08:53
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Cadmium and hexavalent chromium are both pretty horrible substances, however the grace period for the REACH regulations in Europe has now ended so most if not all paint manufacturers selling in Europe should have taken these substances out of their paint.
Still better to stay safe an not lick your brushes as you recommend!
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2019/07/11 14:07:50
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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As a semi-regular smoker, occasional welder, campfire enthusiast and worker in dusty / smoky / otherwise borderline toxic environments...
They haven't got me yet.
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2019/07/11 22:54:23
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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I'm well aware of the risks from cadmium and chromium.
I'm also old enough to have seen "The Radium girls" before I started painting minis - which fortunately for me, was as an adult. It was also still back in the "lead minis" days, so like several others, not putting non-food in my mouth isn't something I have to think about.
My dad was an electroplater. Exposure to hexavalent chromium was a daily hazard. It pushes cigarette smoking so far down the list of "lung cancer" causes that it may as well not be there (it'll still give you emphysema, but the cancer risks from it become 'inconclusive').
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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2019/07/12 00:20:19
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Dakka Veteran
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LOL. I am still here. My "issue" is hereditary and genetic.. yaa!
Still yeah. I licked brushes. I used Dragon paint (isocyanate based paint in the late 80s and early 90s.. it was "water based" too.. good god, all those isocyanates. I painted cars too.. ).
I also burned old citadel plastic till it rained a black hydrocarbon rain in my bedroom. I melted led in my middle school shop class. Also welded in the same class.
Also was a metal fabricator for a while. Oh god those fumes. Welders take a smoke break to breath "cleaner" air. A cigarette (in fact one session with cast iron was like a hundred packs kind of damage) is way less harmful the fumes we huffed while welding cast iron.
We all get old, we all die. Here is a hint too for the uninformed. We all have cancer. Every single one of us. My daughter does, so does my son at 1 year old. What matters is if our body is cleaning it up or failing to do so. When we "get cancer" it means our body has failed to deal with it. But otherwise, every day our body's natural systems clean up the mess that DNA Replication causes.
Just as every single male alive has cancer in his Prostate. Sorry guys.. it's 100%. What matters is if it is being handled or not. When it isn't.. death by prostate cancer is ugly.
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2019/07/12 03:11:38
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Fresh-Faced New User
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This, along with a lot of other sensationalist media, is nonsense. The amount of cadmium containing paint one would have to ingest in order to affect the body in any measurable way is incredibly high. Like drinking a pot of paint a day high.
You have the information of the world at your fingertips. As a very friendly suggestion, please do some basic research before posting things like this.
Here's a paper on Cadmium toxicity which talks specifically about ingestion. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1578573/
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2019/07/12 03:45:23
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
USA
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Did you even read it? For context, the absorption of mercury through the digestive system is only a few percentage points too. Are you going to advocate people consume mercury with nary a care?
Cadmium, on the one hand, is example for an industrially used substance with negative long-time effects on human health.
I don't think anyone has said you're going to drop dead at the drop of a hat, but if you make a habit of ingesting chemicals for years (as part of a hobby perhaps) you're risking kidney damage, bone damage, reproductive damage, and maybe cancer nevermind that you're ignoring the point that you don't know what is in paint. The people who made the paint probably don't even know. Supply chains are a maze. It's so big it's almost impossible to confirm the contents of the product, or where they came from and there's already enough cadmium slipping into the water table from lackluster water laws as is.
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2019/07/12 03:50:44
Subject: PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Norn Queen
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Its disappointing that any grown adults with access to a computer would even need to be told to not eat paint.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2019/07/12 03:59:29
Subject: Re:PSA - Warning - Do NOT put brushes in your mouth to sharpen the point anymore
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Who the hell puts their paintbrush in their mouth?
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