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Source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btmQ3yPGDCs

Take with appropriate levels of salt.

Basically as the video. Rumour is stated to be from a source that correctly predicted contents and nature of Blackstone Fortress.

I'll summarise for those who hate Youtube -

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.
2. Iron Hands and Raven Guard next supplement releases apparently. [Update - source has claimed that Salamanders and IF will be next instead, order change.]
3. Every chapter will be getting an upgrade sprue.
4. Black Templars vs Orks next box set.
5. Ghazghkull is getting a new model.

May be linked to psychic awakening that references "the beast".

Thoughts?

UPDATE 6/9/19
Update video - https://youtu.be/yiaoTSNF6Ws

Update news -

Release order of supplements has changed as addition to point 2 above, this is interesting because another rumourmonger (Valrak) has allegedly been told by his source that IH and Raven Guard are definitely next and will be up for preorder September 21st.
Black Templar's will be in a separate book from IF and Crimson Fists, presumably released around the same time as the boxed set (if it's to be believed).

Original rumour has all but proven false with the release of RG and IH.

Now we have this from Bolter and Chainsword and thanks to Warhams who collated the information.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Regarding the BT vs Orks rumor in the title. This is from a source on a french forum, who had accurate information before. The posts were collected and shared and translated by Sete and Metaliptica on Bolter & Chainsword

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French guy here. Here is a translation of the OG post.

"BT isn't a SM supplement. From the SM supplement, only the IF and Salies will be out around end of October. Looking at the infos that are starting to get through, I'm expecting an article about the preorder of these supplements this week end.
BT rules will be in Psychic Awakening Vol.2. In October, we will have the first book featuring Drukharis and Eldars. My personnal opinion is that we'll have to wait until the end of the year. The BT vs Ork box is censored.gif . If a box is to accompany every Psychic Awakening book, then it will more likely be a BT vs Chaos, keeping in mind that we still have a Rumor engine about a chaos sorcerer. But please remember : nothing is sure about a potential box right now"


The source says no BT vs Orks set but SW vs Orks.


From earlier this week, before GW's announcement and artwork reveal on WarCom, collected by Sete on B&C

Kikasstou on french forum

"I read somewhere that a priori we go to +1 to hit and +1 to hurt the characters for the RG. And no penalty with heavy weapons moving IH side. But I do not know for what doctrine. And the BT should be able to hurt self on the 6 to hit in Assault Doctrine.

I think that the IH are being had because the UM indirectly have this bonus with the current formulation of Scion of Guilliman. I do not know if it's totally wanted and that GW was not in the lead to just spin the bonus bolter discipline all the time.

I'm not sure but it seems to me that the Crimson Fist are in the IF supplement. If this is the case they will not have strats / relic / traits / distinctive power unlike BT.


Yes we already had information that the BT would have their own rules but that it would rather be in a campaign supplement and not a supplement SM so logically in Psychic Awakening

The BT will be in closed doctrine indeed. [Sete: The only specific info he said is that BT assault doctrine wounds on hits of 6. ]


It fits quite well with what I read somewhere that the rules of the Blood Angels would be in Volume 3 of Psychic Awakening

I read somewhere that the first volume Psychic Awakening would be dedicated to Drukhari, Arsuyani & Ynarri.


I will repeat myself but the Orks are planned facing the SW and not the BT. The BT should arrive after the Eldar in the next book

It may well be that a Battlebox is planned for the first Tome Psychic Awakening. It will be 100% Aeldaris and 100% plastic. We already know more or less the 2 characters. But what unity could we have in front of the banshees?

I wonder that it will be the redesign of plastic incubations in the box with plastic banshees : P

Here is a Black Templars tab that appeared in Games Workshop site menu ��

You also have an IH / RG / Salamanders / IF / WS / UM tab. No jealous everyone is entitled to its customization kits, supplements, cards etc ..."


Deadfingers - B&C

This all put together, along with rumours from other sources, Rumour Engines, and a bit of recent lore setups and teases from GW, sounds to me like a Shadowspear type of starter with Eldar/Ynnari Vs. Dark Eldar, and he seems to be implying that Jain Zar and Drazhar, like it was mentioned earlier in this thread, will be leading them.


There was a rumor about a potential plastic Russ and Ghazhgkull but I could not find the quote atm..



Kikasstou has stated that Ragnar is getting updated and that he may be against Ghazzy but he wasn't certain (on Ghazzy, much more so on Ragnar).

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Some people have speculated that one of the recent rumor engines could be one of those relics Grimaldus always has with him. Though, it would be the first boxset that I can think of featuring a new model plus his retinue.

There's also the possibility of a new Helbrecht. And would that deprive the IF of getting their own character, like Lysander? The IF did get an upgrade sprue during that christmas box set.
   
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Screams Armageddon. Last box set was set in the system where the campaign at the time was happening. Maybe we will see a new campaign centered around Ghaz coming back to smash Armageddon proper. Could be reason for BT to get a nice wave of 'Assault' Primaris to fit with their feel, and get some Primaris Characters.

I'd be super stoked to find this true. BT get some model love, and Ghaz gets a new model? Great.

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The psychic awakening trailer also says "faith will be tested" or something to that effect. I could believe BT and Orks getting a showing and more importantly I want to believe.
   
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I'm always excited when Kirioth talks about rumours, since he also speculates himself on the validity of the claims.

It looks within the realm of possibility. Has their been any speculation about Armageddon recently? Might expect that it will be the next battlefront after Vigilus and BT V Orks boxset would fit.
   
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Right behind you.

2 months between supplements seems a bit excessive...especially as Raven Guard not being released with the Phobos stuff just screams missed opportunity.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.

Wait, what? It will take an year to get them all released! I really hope that this is not true. Considering how strong the super doctrines are, it leaves chapters without a supplement in a really awkward place.

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Orks say "high". They spent well over year being kicking dogs in even worse situation than single subfaction of big faction would be spending.

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If it is BT vs Orks I don't think it'd be Armageddon personally. I get the distinct impression from the codex that Ghazzy is done with that particular warzone for now. Could be wrong but I just don't get that vibe.
   
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We should be getting previews from NoVA in just over a week. We'll see if we get any information which can verify these rumors.

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 Crimson wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.

Wait, what? It will take an year to get them all released! I really hope that this is not true. Considering how strong the super doctrines are, it leaves chapters without a supplement in a really awkward place.

Sorry I forgot to mention they will be released in pairs however. So IH & RG are the next 2.
   
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 Crimson wrote:
 An Actual Englishman wrote:

1. Marine supplements will be spaced roughly 2 months apart.

Wait, what? It will take an year to get them all released! I really hope that this is not true. Considering how strong the super doctrines are, it leaves chapters without a supplement in a really awkward place.


If they're releasing them in pairs, than you only have to wait six months to have all the options.
And as a faction, having so much extra to pick from seems worth the wait.

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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Sorry I forgot to mention they will be released in pairs however. So IH & RG are the next 2.

Oh right! That makes it more tolerable then.

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It sounds more plausible than many rumours. I don’t think they’ll go down the Armageddon route personally, unless they have a Steel Legion release they’ve kept hidden away coming as well. It also makes sense to make a Bobby G sized Ghaz in terms of GW’s current direction towards large army figureheads. As long as the marines in the box are usable painted as other chapters i’d be delighted.

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Ghaz is also one of the only characters you can size up without having to handwave it as a scale thing.

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So six months of marines.

Atleast ghazzi could get a much needed upgrade now

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Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.
   
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Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.

He now, no wonder the intern did the csm dex 2.0.

Yes i am still salty for not upgraded propper traits.

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This is going to make it even more difficult to get my hands on the Black Templar contrast paint, isn't it? It's never in stock as it is...
   
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This is going to make it even more difficult to get my hands on the Black Templar contrast paint, isn't it? It's never in stock as it is...


Your best bet is direct from the GW webstore these days.
   
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Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.

He now, no wonder the intern did the csm dex 2.0.

Yes i am still salty for not upgraded propper traits.

Nothing has been as frustrating/hilarious as the Facebook preview posts about the Word Bearers. The dumpster fire burns eternal.

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 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.
   
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Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.

That'll also cover everything in the Codex, as sons of Dorn is three of the 8 chapters in there.

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 warboss wrote:
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 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.


Removed. I wasn’t talking about only compliant chapters.

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Yeah sounds like a great idea. Would love it to be true, but I’m not holding my breath. Although, if Armageddon is the next big warzone it would be nice to see both Black Templars vs Orks and Sisters of Battle vs Khorne. Then there is the possibility of Steel Legion being the replacement AM now that Cadians probably are on their way out.

Would be terribly expensive for me because I like all the above and would like to collect them all.

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Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.



Removed. I wasn’t talking about only compliant chapters.


They won't be supplements, they'll be their own Codex, so no, I didn't miss anything.

Seeing as the preview for White Dwarf for next month is Dark Angels, they could just slap the chapter tactic update in a Index Astartes: Dark Angels White Dwarf article.

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 warboss wrote:
Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
 
   
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 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Factoring in the non-first founding chapters that’s an excruciatingly long time to relaunch the marine factions.


Considering there is six total, and two are already released, it would be:

RG/IH

Sons of Dorn/Salamanders

Funny enough, Armageddon had big showings from Black Templar and Salamanders, though I'd lol pretty hard if they Primaris the Ork line with bigger, more psychic-y Orks.


You’ve left out three more pairs.


Six total books, so no, I haven't missed anything... we already have UM and WS.



Use your brain. I wasn’t talking about only compliant chapters.


They won't be supplements, they'll be their own Codex, so no, I didn't miss anything.

Seeing as the preview for White Dwarf for next month is Dark Angels, they could just slap the chapter tactic update in a Index Astartes: Dark Angels White Dwarf article.


Sure, if they wanted to leave half the marine armies functionally neutered. Also the inherent hilarity of suggesting a WD article will close the gap is amusingly insulting.

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I will follow this thread with extreme interest.

Hoping for the greenest of the outcomes.
   
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Well, good, the snowflake chapters could use some time beneath the Codex Marines. Will be good to melt them a bit.

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