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I'm returning to the hobby after quiting in 6th edition. Didn't like where it was heading. came back once i found out 8th was the way it was. didn't learn about the current changes until months after it released but was certainly a nice surprise. Have been collecting ever since. This is a Mini Marine army. Primaris are fine, I do have about a thousand points or so... but thats ages away from being anything of note. I have no idea which direction I want to head with them.

Still... I know Mini Marines. I'm comfortable with them. I have this army all bought (accept for 5 assault marines, looking into it) and i have most of it painted too. Working on the assault marine now. Then just have 2 vindicators and a rhino to paint and base and it'll be ready for the field. Hoping I can finally start going to the club with it (No I don't "Need" to paint them but it costs £20 travel there and back... I want a good time..).

Anyways, the list here. This is leaps and bounds over what my noobie self had back in the day. This actually looks good. This did start as a Battalion with secondary attachments but after I got annoyed that tactical marines still can't have 2 special weapons per unit i set about trying too and then it just kinda drifted to a Brigade. One of the best changes from 6th to now... multiple units can ride the same transport. So i setup my units accordingly. Each 'Unit' is actually made of of two. 1 with a combi and 1 without. their all modelled to make sense so theres no confusion. I like to think that their just combat squading and the other team is being led by a aspiring sgt.

The army is made up into effectivly 3 elements. 1) Fast Assault with the Assault Marines & Drop pod with melta teams. 2) Battleline with the razorback, rhinos and vindicators. and lastly 3) Fire Support with the Devastators and Dreadnoughts. No silly shenanigans, just bodies, and lots of them, most can get around very fast. It's biggest weakness is of course dealing with large amounts of armour. I don't see this as much of a problem though as from the looks of the pics that get posted each week on the clubs facebook page, it looks very infantry heavy. very few seem to own large titans. Which is great, their awesome models but whole armies of them just seem... a tad boring. they seem to have a very measured approach, not so tournament crazed. All this is great because I always wanted to field whole companies but being a college scrub..never had money. So yer.. at 2500 points I can at least manage a demi company.

I can talk for ages, so im gonna stop here. take a look and tell me what you think. Any questions or suggestion just ask and say and i'll answer.


(Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [140 PL, 15CP, 2,500pts]

Battle Forged Brigade Detachment +3 +12CP (Imperium - Space Marines)

Chapter & Trait Selection: Imperial Fists Successor, Master Artisans, Stalwart

+ HQ +

Chaplain: - Litany of Hate, Mantra of Strength, Benediction of Fury, Jump Pack, Plasma pistol, Warlord

Lieutenant
. Lieutenant: Chainsword, Master-crafted boltgun

Lieutenant
. Lieutenant: Master-crafted boltgun, Power fist

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad x2
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Tactical Squad x2
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combi-plasma
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Tactical Squad
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combi-flamer
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Flamer

+ Elites +

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought
. Cyclone missile launcher, 2x Kheres assault cannon

Venerable Dreadnought x2
. Twin lascannon & Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter

+ Fast Attack +

Assault Squad: Jump Pack
. 6x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat shield, Eviscerator
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma Pistol & Chainsword

Assault Squad: Jump Pack
. 5x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Combat shield, Plasma pistol, Power fist
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma Pistol & Chainsword x2

Assault Squad: Jump Pack
. 5x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat shield, Power axe
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Flamer x2

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad
. Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher x4

Devastator Squad
. Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter x4

Vindicator x2

+ Dedicated Transport +

Drop Pod:
. Storm bolter

Razorback
. Storm bolter, Twin heavy flamer

Rhino x2
. Storm bolter

Finally someone who isn't bowing to the pressure of Primaris!

Few things

Chaplains....for all the buffs they may have received, they are still not as good as Captains or Librarians. put a jump pack on a captain and buff him to Chapter Master and you're rerolling everything to hit.

Melta is now not really worth it for the points it costs. Plasma gun is better on your tactical squads.

On your devs many will argue that plasma cannons are now better than missile launchers. i'd try a combo.

Rhinos no longer have open topped rule so you can't fire out the top hatch, so they're purely transports now

 Corennus wrote:
Finally someone who isn't bowing to the pressure of Primaris!

Few things

Chaplains....for all the buffs they may have received, they are still not as good as Captains or Librarians. put a jump pack on a captain and buff him to Chapter Master and you're rerolling everything to hit.

Melta is now not really worth it for the points it costs. Plasma gun is better on your tactical squads.

On your devs many will argue that plasma cannons are now better than missile launchers. i'd try a combo.

Rhinos no longer have open topped rule so you can't fire out the top hatch, so they're purely transports now

I actually did a kitbash for a chaplain months ago. befor all the buffs. i could call him a captain but the model is a lot more expensive. it's modeled with a thunder hammer with some fancy stuff going on. Which is a stand in for the benediction of fury. Cost is also why the 2nd lieutenant isn't a captain. but re-rolling 1s to wound is better then nothing. alternatively i could buy a techmarine for the dreads.. Meltas are just for variety. I don't like the idea of 3 of the same unit..and i do need SOME anti armour. As for the devs, the main bulk of the army is Mk4 armour from the betrayal at calth set. Though personally i prefer missiles to plasma canons simply for the versatility. Also no captain nearby. in time i'll start buying the new kits and then probably magnetise them. And lastly, rhinos. Yer i know, but i'd easily trade that for being about to take multiple units in it. I've been going over this 1 list for weeks, nickle and diming points like crazy lol.

One word that rings true more today than any other time.

Proxy

Proxy!!

PROXY!!

So what are the non primaris things that don't work?

Slight revision . Replaced the flamer tactical squad with one of the assault squads. It's gives a few more attacks in close combat. and the reduced costs can get another Vindicator, and upgrades the Lieutenant to a Captain which in turn makes him a Chapter Master for all thsoe re-rolls.

(Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [137 PL, 15CP, 2,500pts]

Battle Forged Brigade Detachment +3 +12CP (Imperium - Space Marines)

Chapter & Trait Selection: Imperial Fists Successor, Master Artisans, Stalwart

Captain with Master-crafted Bolter, Power Fist, Chapter Master
Chaplain with Jump Pack, Plasma Pistol, Benediction of Fury, Warlord
Lieutenant with Master-crafted Bolter

2x Tactical Squad [5] with Combi-plasma gun, Plasma Gun
2x Tactical Squad [5] with Plasma Gun
Tactical Squad [5] with Combi-melta, Meltagun
Tactical Squad [5] with Meltagun

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought with 2 Kheres Assault Cannons, Cyclone Missile Launcher
2x Venerable Dreadnought with Twin Lascannon

Assault Squad [8] with Power Fist, Combat Shield, 3 Plasma Pistols, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [8] with Power Axe, Combat Shield, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [5] with Power Sword, Grav-pistol, 2 Flamers

Devastator Squad [6] with 4 Heavy Bolters
Devastator Squad [6] with 4 Missile Launchers
3x Vindicator

Drop Pod
Razorback with Twin Heavy Flamer, Storm Bolter
2x Rhino

Again i'd say you're likely to get more mileage out of combi-plasma and plasma gun on your tactical squad than melta guns.
But try it and see!

Even more refinment. I'm trying to balance what I have with whats cheap to buy I have almost everything listed here (like the standard dreadnought, need to buy it for missile launcher anyway. and the extra 4 heavy bolters). Switched out the meltas for flamers and put them in the drop pod and got Long-ranged marksmen to make it work, although no units gonna say no to an extra 3" to shooty stuff. I Have the other ven dread and 10 Scout Snieprs with a Missile Launcher too. And some cataphractii termies with chainfists (captain too as well as that on foot chaplain).



(Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [149 PL, 15CP, 2,500pts]

Battle Forged Brigade Detachment +3 +12CP (Imperium - Space Marines)

Chapter & Trait Selection: Imperial Fists Successor, Long-range Marksmen, Stalwart

Captain with Master-crafted Bolter, Chapter Master
Chaplain with Jump Pack, Plasma Pistol, Benediction of Fury, Warlord, The Imperium's Sword
Lieutenant with Master-crafted Bolter, Power Fist

2x Tactical Squad [5] with Combi-plasma gun, Plasma Gun
2x Tactical Squad [5] with Plasma Gun
Tactical Squad [5] with Combi-flamer, Flamer
Tactical Squad [5] with Flamer

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought with 2 Kheres Assault Cannons, Cyclone Missile Launcher
Venerable Dreadnought with Twin Lascannon, Missile Launcher
Dreadnought

Assault Squad [6] with Power Fist, Combat Shield, 3 Plasma Pistols, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [6] with Power Axe, Combat Shield, 2 Flamers, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [6] with Eviscerator, Combat Shield, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [9] with Power Sword, Grav-pistol, 2 Flamers

2x Devastator Squad [6] with 4 Heavy Bolters
Devastator Squad [6] with 4 Missile Launchers
2x Vindicator

Drop Pod
3x Rhino

Ok.

So 2 tac squads will be going in a drop pod and coming down behind enemy lines looking to flame some infantry units.

Anything in a drop pod these days, unless you're doing a drop pod assault and multi podding, is essentially a sacrificial unit.

It's there to disrupt and annoy but not do any serious damage.

Unless you take something like a veteran squad or sternguard equipped with combi-bolters (melta, plasma, flamer etc) which can really pack a punch for not TOO many points.


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Can I suggest:

(Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [149 PL, 15CP, 2,500pts]

Battle Forged Brigade Detachment +3 +12CP (Imperium - Space Marines)

Chapter & Trait Selection: Imperial Fists Successor, Long-range Marksmen, Stalwart

Captain with Master-crafted Bolter, Chapter Master
Chaplain with Jump Pack, Plasma Pistol, Benediction of Fury, Warlord, The Imperium's Sword
Lieutenant with Master-crafted Bolter, Power Fist

2x Tactical Squad [5] with Combi-plasma gun, Plasma Gun
2x Tactical Squad [5] with Plasma Gun
Tactical Squad [5] with Combi-flamer, Flamer
Tactical Squad [5] with Flamer

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought with 2 Kheres Assault Cannons, Cyclone Missile Launcher
Venerable Dreadnought with Twin Lascannon, Missile Launcher
Sternguard Veteran Squad (10) with 2 Combi-Melta, 2 Combi-Plasma, 2 Combi-Grav and 1 Combi-Flamer. Sgt w/Power sword

Assault Squad [6] with Power Fist, Combat Shield, 3 Plasma Pistols, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [6] with Power Axe, Combat Shield, 2 Flamers, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [6] with Eviscerator, Combat Shield, Jump Packs
Assault Squad [9] with Power Sword, Grav-pistol, 2 Flamers

2x Devastator Squad [6] with 4 Heavy Bolters
Devastator Squad [6] with 4 Missile Launchers
1 x Vindicator

Drop Pod
3x Rhino