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I can't say I'm familiar with flash on metal models. I've seen it very occasionally on metal and polystyrene moulded items.

It's a sign of worn or misaligned moulds. It's not a regular part of the production process. It's a defect. Proper QA would prevent flashy kits getting packaged.

That part of the announcement sounds like GW making an excuse in advance for a bunch of low quality products.

Heading into the shop in a few minutes to unpack them all and get them up on the shelves, with a "Yes, you have to wait until Saturday" sign.)

Other than the Haemonculus's sword I actually think he is a very nice model, and really with the resin how hard will it be to cut it off and replace it with something from the Wracks

BrassScorpion wrote:Store operators have been instructed not to open their Finecast shipments till close of business Friday to avoid their discussing it or showing it in any way before Saturday morning.

Why? What for???

How does this make any sense? What is the thought process at GW for this?

1. Send out new 'Finecost' range to stores.
2. Make it so no one is allowed to look at it until the day of release.
3. Threaten the jobs of our staff if they look.
4. Ensure that they don't discuss our new product with potential customers.
5. ???
6. Profit!

I mean Jesus-mothing-fething-Christ-on-a-God-damned-mother-fething-pogo-stick - Do these brain dead imbeciles not even understand the most basic and most obvious tennants of ADVERTISING, or even how 'word of mouth' works?

My God... how STUPID are they???

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Store operators have been instructed not to open their Finecast shipments till close of business Friday to avoid their discussing it or showing it in any way before Saturday morning.

Why? What for???

How does this make any sense? What is the thought process at GW for this?

1. Send out new 'Finecost' range to stores.
2. Make it so no one is allowed to look at it until the day of release.
3. Threaten the jobs of our staff if they look.
4. Ensure that they don't discuss our new product with potential customers.
5. ???
6. Profit!

I mean Jesus-mothing-fething-Christ-on-a-God-damned-mother-fething-pogo-stick - Do these brain dead imbeciles not even understand the most basic and most obvious tennants of ADVERTISING, or even how 'word of mouth' works?

My God... how STUPID are they???

I'm sure they're believing that their stores will be chocked full of rabid mouth-foaming fanboys who will buy up all the models, especially since they're 'limited' in this first release. It used to be we would have examples and talk up new products weeks if not months in advance. Seems now its just keep it a secret and they'll want it even more type of thing. Good luck with that.

H.M.B.C

You are as blunt as a sledge hammer but keep telling it like it is bro. It makes the GW Ra' Ra's go into a tizzy.

I made my concerns about the material in the new product and I'll stand my concerns until corrected.

Adam LongWalker wrote:H.M.B.C

You are as blunt as a sledge hammer but keep telling it like it is bro. It makes the GW Ra' Ra's go into a tizzy.

I made my concerns about the material in the new product and I'll stand my concerns until corrected.

If this was Facebook, I'd hit the 'Like' button.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Store operators have been instructed not to open their Finecast shipments till close of business Friday to avoid their discussing it or showing it in any way before Saturday morning.

Why? What for???

How does this make any sense? What is the thought process at GW for this?

1. Send out new 'Finecost' range to stores.
2. Make it so no one is allowed to look at it until the day of release.
3. Threaten the jobs of our staff if they look.
4. Ensure that they don't discuss our new product with potential customers.
5. ???
6. Profit!

I mean Jesus-mothing-fething-Christ-on-a-God-damned-mother-fething-pogo-stick - Do these brain dead imbeciles not even understand the most basic and most obvious tennants of ADVERTISING, or even how 'word of mouth' works?

My God... how STUPID are they???

It builds up the hype for the impatient teen boys.

You know like , they get so hyped and they just splurt all over their pants within the first minute?
its like that , same mentality but with compulsive buy instead.

LunaHound wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Store operators have been instructed not to open their Finecast shipments till close of business Friday to avoid their discussing it or showing it in any way before Saturday morning.

Why? What for???

How does this make any sense? What is the thought process at GW for this?

1. Send out new 'Finecost' range to stores.
2. Make it so no one is allowed to look at it until the day of release.
3. Threaten the jobs of our staff if they look.
4. Ensure that they don't discuss our new product with potential customers.
5. ???
6. Profit!

I mean Jesus-mothing-fething-Christ-on-a-God-damned-mother-fething-pogo-stick - Do these brain dead imbeciles not even understand the most basic and most obvious tennants of ADVERTISING, or even how 'word of mouth' works?

My God... how STUPID are they???

It builds up the hype for the impatient teen boys.

You know like , they get so hyped and they just splurt all over their pants within the first minute?
its like that , same mentality but with compulsive buy instead.

GW does it on purpose, just to see HMBC blow a gasket.

I haven't had any teen boys in asking about finecast, just a steady stream of veteran modelers. I won't be selling the new models until tomorrow, but unlike a GW store, I can open a box and let people look at blisters. All mine are up on the wall now and we've had a lot of guys in to take a look.

LunaHound wrote:It builds up the hype for the impatient teen boys.

You know like , they get so hyped and they just splurt all over their pants within the first minute?
its like that , same mentality but with compulsive buy instead.

Except it's not. You can't build hype by keeping everything you do a secret. There's nothing to hype.

Area 51

just saying...


I find the iron secrecy curtain annoying as hell, personally. I'm a 20 some year veteran of GW, but these last few years i've been going more and more off them...

I'm not quite at the point of selling all my armies but i am getting pretty frustrated.

Between the blatant IOM favoritism, the finecast move, the feth-you attitude towards their customers (barring the actual CS guys).. Yeah..

On the GW website they have new category for each games system up labeled Citadel Finecast

Blood Angel 17 wrote:On the GW website they have new category for each games system up labeled Citadel Finecast

And typical GW, not a thing on the pages for any of them. Also, I noticed they replaced the Astronomican link with a finecast one, curious if this is just a web design error, or if they are using this as an opportunity to just get rid of it, considering they haven't updated it in two months anyway.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean Jesus-mothing-fething-Christ-on-a-God-damned-mother-fething-pogo-stick - Do these brain dead imbeciles not even understand the most basic and most obvious tennants of ADVERTISING, or even how 'word of mouth' works?

My God... how STUPID are they???

Stupid. Like a Fox.

I'm afraid you don't get it. They've got word of mouth going with the steps below.
1) Alot of rumors for months
2) A text announcement
3) Pictorial anouncements a few days later
4) All leading up to a unified unveiling tomorrow.

All adds up to TONS of word of mouth. In fact, Dakka's been talking about it nonstop for days. Tons of people, doubters and fanboys allike are going to check out the models on Saturday, and alot of them will buy product whether out of excitement or just curiosity.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as fed up with GW as you, but you've vastly underestimated how effective thier word of mouth campaign has been. If there's no such thing as bad press, then it bears notice that Finecast has been on the tips of our typing figures for two strait weeks.
That's a win for GW.

Shivan Reaper wrote:
And typical GW, not a thing on the pages for any of them.

Alright, good, because I thought there was something wrong with my browser. Should have known to blame GW first, it seems like the cool thing to do nowadays.

1) Alot of rumors for months

Rumors that they've been trying desperately to stop for a while now. I don't see how you could argue that the rumors we have are GW's doing when the rumor going now is that they're very upset about the leaks and that they're going to "permanently" shut up the rumor mongers by not letting anything get out until a week before the release.

2) A text announcement

Which, once again, they'll be putting a stop to if the rumors are true.

Eilif wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean Jesus-mothing-fething-Christ-on-a-God-damned-mother-fething-pogo-stick - Do these brain dead imbeciles not even understand the most basic and most obvious tennants of ADVERTISING, or even how 'word of mouth' works?

My God... how STUPID are they???

Stupid. Like a Fox.

I'm afraid you don't get it. They've got word of mouth going with the steps below.
1) Alot of rumors for months
2) A text announcement
3) Pictorial anouncements a few days later
4) All leading up to a unified unveiling tomorrow.

All adds up to TONS of word of mouth. In fact, Dakka's been talking about it nonstop for days. Tons of people, doubters and fanboys allike are going to check out the models on Saturday, and alot of them will buy product whether out of excitement or just curiosity.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as fed up with GW as you, but you've vastly underestimated how effective thier word of mouth campaign has been. If there's no such thing as bad press, then it bears notice that Finecast has been on the tips of our typing figures for two strait weeks.
That's a win for GW.

For this product maybe but all future products will come out of the blue there will be no warning or info on what is being released until the day it hits the shelves.

Man, sure is alot of hate going on here.
I do not mean to insult anyone here, and I'm sure everyone who is pissed off at the resin change have their reasons. Yes, the whole secrecy thing doesn't really make sense to me, either, and the online articles are absolute . They sound like the developers want to make sweet, sweet love to these things by writing a ballad.
Personally, I'm going to reserve my judgment until I can look at them with my own two eyes.

Eilif wrote:I'm afraid you don't get it. They've got word of mouth going with the steps below.
1) Alot of rumors for months
2) A text announcement
3) Pictorial anouncements a few days later
4) All leading up to a unified unveiling tomorrow.

On the down side, the spread of rumours instead of actual marketing releases meant that people had to figure out for themselves what was actually going on. By this point, people have already made up their minds as to whether or not resin is a good thing, and the fact that GW announce the day before the release that, 'Hey, by the way, our resin is easy to work with and safe and all awesome and stuff' is too little too late... People who knew nothing about resin have had several months worth of other people telling them that resin is horrible and brittle and toxic and made from ground-up puppies.

People who might have been excited about this release had GW announced when the rumours first started that they had developed this awesome new resin that was the best thing since sliced squig are instead not excited at all by the lack of information from GW and the wild disparity of the rumours online and now need to be wooed back into the fold.

All GW have done by trying to keep this all secret is make more work for themselves when the time actually comes to sell the stuff.

Matt on miniwargaming seems very impressed by the models...

Oh, my first post as well

Says that:

-Are more detalied than the pewter ones.

-Miscast ratio was 2 to 100

-Price rise is not because of the transfer to Resin, is because of annual price hike.

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/gw-fine-cast-miniatures-review

Pics up:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=0&aId=16600008a&start=1&multiPageMode=true

Some items have bare pictures but a few don't.

Saw the listing of FC figs. The only one I want is the Nurgle Daemon Prince. He only went up .50 USD and since it's Nurgle, bubbles and mistcasting; who'd be able to tell anyways? On that model it would be called 'free customization', thus every one is unique!! Brilliant!!!!

(That's about the only good spin I can put on this whole debacle so far. )

Le Grognard wrote:Saw the listing of FC figs. The only one I want is the Nurgle Daemon Prince. He only went up .50 USD and since it's Nurgle, bubbles and mistcasting; who'd be able to tell anyways? On that model it would be called 'free customization', thus every one is unique!! Brilliant!!!!

(That's about the only good spin I can put on this whole debacle so far. )

The plague marines look nice too. I'm actually surprised that more sets are actually out and that the first wave wasn't exclusively blisters and small boxes.

I'm still on the fence on how I feel about Finecast. I'm still a bit skeptical as of now, but the idea of metal being gone for some models is exciting.

I'm tempted to pick up some Ushabtis due to their (surprising) drop in cost. I've always liked the models and needed some beef for my TK army.

Went to the Chicago Battle Bunker just now. Saw the new finecast stuff.

I paid particular attention to Yarrick and Dante, two figures I already have. I have to say that the details did look like they might be somewhat sharper and finer, however it could be my imagination. However, imagining them painted, I couldn't see where they'd look markedly better than the metal versions.

Neat concept and the execution looks quite good, but I just don't see it being anything terribly revolutionary, and certainly not worth being priced any more than the metal versions.

Hello Folks,

As promised, some pics and words on the finecast carnosaur. (i will also post this in the other thread)

First, the pics:












Ok i hope i did that right and the images show up

So thoughts from that.

The good:

* Looking over the carnosaur, fairly quickly, while I did notice a couple mold lines, nothing big that I can't fix up. Similar to mold lines on FW stuff and other resin models I've gotten before (although not as clean as the Ilyad resin minotaur i got some time ago)
* the scales and teeth ARE better defined and the edges are sharper (see note below in "the bad" section)
* model is of course lighter (big plus for those of us who carry lots of models around whenever we go play)
* the ropes that hold some of the armour onto the dinosaur ARE better defined (see note below in "the bad" section") which is good
* areas before, where metal filled in gaps between claws, and thus it was hard to remove it to make the claws defined individually have the same issue BUT now can easily be fixed since this plesin is much easier to cut/remove/sand, etc (plesin = plastic resin)
* the teeth and eye area on kroq-gar himself are very well defined (his teeth are very sharp, where the metal ones just aren't as sharp, but they are still fairly well defined on the metal version)
* NO miscast areas, NO distorted areas (even the weapon shaft is the same as the metal one, which already had slight bend in it so this is the same), and no missing areas (like the librarian foot area) -- probably the best finecast model reviewed so far in terms of damage/distortion/etc

the bad:

* while the teeth, scale edges, etc are better defined, i'm not sure this matters. Most animal scales aren't as sharply defined as a metal blade... i don't think this will matter to most people
* there is one small air bubble area below the nose plates, above the teeth/gumline. BUT due to the textures on the carnosaur face area, it actually doesn't look out of place so I may just leave it
* there was a bit of rubber stuck in that air bubble gap. wasn't easy to remove it...it kept elastically springing back (had to use 2 sharp knife blades as chop sticks to remove it)
* the ropes on the metal version were already well defined; i can see each rope strand already, so while this is sharper, it won't make much difference to most people (ie. if you enter golden demons, I would suggest using this finecast carnosaur instead of the metal one; if you play games and just games, get whichever is cheaper, unless weight is an issue for your carry case)
* the way the sprues are made, lots of areas to cut and sand but the actual gates, etc do not go into the detail so once you cut/sand it off, no issues

I can add more comments later, if people ask for specifics -- from someone who is more of a painter, commission painter, and D&D player (ie. i like monsters) , I think finecast is great for larger models. monsters, etc don't have as much fidly details that can get ruined (as we see with stern, librarian, etc) and the sharper details on teeth, eye sockets, etc does make that slight difference. Being lighter makes me along happy with this plesin version.

BUT, I did check out an opened nurgle daemon prince (the cool fat one from few years ago)...while I could see some better details on the arms, etc (I've painted 2 metal ones before, so am familiar with the model), there were some areas where cleaning up mold lines, etc, unless you are very experienced, will cause model damage.

A final comment: I do not think this is for inexperienced modellers. The very fact that the store kept stressing to me, not to use files, etc (NOTE: i tried a file on it, it's fine as long as you are gentle) makes me feel that you have to be very careful with these. Some models people had, mold lines were in areas that a slight error and well, you better be a decent sculptor I would not give this to a younger sibling to work from scratch. I would clean it up first; wash it, etc, sand it, file it, whatever you want...THEN cut it up and modify as they want and give to them to paint instead. The risk of damage, IMHO, is too high, for those who aren't used to cutting up costly FW models or other european collector company models. (for example, mine has a mold line over the nose armour and snout area...if you screw that up, you can damage part of the head as it's quite a visible and large mold line. For me, it's easy to remove and any damage, I can easily resculpt it (Note, I'm not a good sculptor like Allan C or Remy Tremblant or something, but I'm sure I'd be considered an advanced modeller/painter), but i'd feel bad if due to my comments, someone thought it was ok to buy the model and started working on it in a rush without assessing it completely first with close inspection and planning what to do and how to do it. PLEASE ASSESS THE MODEL FIRST...ALL ANGLES, etc. The way you would a hot girl hehehe

So, I would like to pick up some more models, but will only due so online or from retailers with the normal discount. i really think I got one of the better casts here; as most people seem to be having issues but again, i think that is cause large monsters probably cast easier.
Ask away if you need more details...I'll check again incase I missed a huge error in the cast, but i didn't see one yet.

NOTE: the mold line over the nose, I didn't label that as a BAD, cause with all the mold lines I've seen in different types of models, it's almost always gonna go over some important section; the fact that mold lines exist, we can't really help, so that to me is nothing extra bad.

Regards,

Sanjay

According to the staff at my local GW the IG commissar & Empire Captain that were previously mail order only are now part of the regular stock.

Not sure if that is definitely true or not, but if it is it could mean that Vulkan, Khan, etc might also become regular stock when it's their turn to be finecasted. Hopefully.

So I was thinking of something...if I buy the Nurgle Daemon Prince and Plague Marines in finecast, the possibility of air bubbles would only increase the nurgle look right? I mean you really can;t go wrong with a few more holes or melted looking pieces with a Nurgle mini right?

Some of the pictures of the more....questionable...casts floating around kinda make me shakey about buying anything from this line for the time being...