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 chris13f wrote:
TAU Pics

Am I the only one that thought the Riptide is a mix of Gundam and Evangelion and would be willing to put this song on when I put it on the table? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoIEDYCF-A

Looks a lot like the Combine drop ships from Half Life 2

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I'm liking most of it, will be good conversion fodder at the least... really, really disappointed they didn't update the crisis suits though, shame.

I certainly hope there are still wave 2's in the cards for some... no Greater Daemons and nothing for kroot would be sad :(

Hey, I remember you worked some magic on the stormraven, care to see what you could do with the Tau flyer or do you need to wait for better pics?

You know i don't think it would take much work to make the new flyers look better.

1. Cut off those feth awful stuts joining the front and back wings.
2. Remove the missle rack on the top and place it somewhere else (to be determined at a latter date!)
3. ???
4. Profit from a less hidious flyer.

In the end i think it would a bit like the flying machine in Terminator 3. Which is a good thing is it not?

I think it's interesting that there are strange drones in many of the kits. Also the descriptions say ..... and 3 drones... or the like. It doesn't say "gun drone" or "shield drone" Could this mean that there are more drone options, or perhaps even a sprue that allows us to pick what drones to build from each kit? Having options makes me excited.

What I find strange, is in all these 'leaked' pictures from whitedwarf, not one single person ever seems to have the ability to take a decent photograph of something? or a friend who possibly could. /tinfoilhat

I'm bloody terrible at photography, but even my decrepit skills could do better.

I have to say, I do like the look of the new stuff and if the kits that came with the new Dark Angels, Chaos, and Daemons stuff are any indications we should see some nicely detailed bits in these boxes. I sure hope so, because they would make for some cool conversions.

When I play against somebody and they decided that thy don't like the model that I'm using, I'm sure that they will be thinking about the rules, not the appearance.

I think it's interesting that there are strange drones in many of the kits. Also the descriptions say ..... and 3 drones... or the like. It doesn't say "gun drone" or "shield drone" Could this mean that there are more drone options, or perhaps even a sprue that allows us to pick what drones to build from each kit? Having options makes me excited.

Someone mentioned on the Warseer forums that the bomber has detachable drone fighters. Not sure if this is true of not, but it would be freaking awesome.

 Earthbeard wrote:
What I find strange, is in all these 'leaked' pictures from whitedwarf, not one single person ever seems to have the ability to take a decent photograph of something? or a friend who possibly could. /tinfoilhat

I'm bloody terrible at photography, but even my decrepit skills could do better.

That is actually bloody strange.

The abscence of Kroot/Vespids presumably leads to one of two possibilities

1. All the rumours about them were false, no new stuff at all

(otherwise GW would have the new ones out alongside the new Tau to prevent 3rd parties doing them first)

2. The Allies codex is real (either as a stand alone or WD upgrade), and when that hits the new Kroot/vespid stuff will drop

3. Any models for them are second wave.

 Kroothawk wrote:
3. Any models for them are second wave.

I guess that's possible, but it does go against the new GW tactic of putting out all the 'new' stuff in the first wave
(I'm kind of hoping you're right though)

Yikes. The releaes really are becoming paint-by-numbers.

I expected:

1 Big Oval Base unit
1 Flyer (double kit)
1 Plastic Infantry
1 40mm base units in a box.

And that's exactly what we got (plus an unecessary redesign of the Broadside). I was expecting a new Kroot Box (w/plastic Kroothounds and 1 Krootox included, ala Eldar Guards w/weapon platform) and not Pathfinders, and I really thought we'd get new Crisis.

The Riptide is just a big suit. The flyers look kinda dippy. Can't work out what the Broadside actually looks like from those first four pictures (if others have emeged since page 15, please let me know). I really want to see the Pathfinder box.

Don't know if anyone posted these: (via belloflostsouls)

Tau
There has been a lot of information coming in this week regarding Tau. Some of what we have seen this week is conflicting, and I am going to go over some of the highlights here, of course more detail can be found over on Faeit 212, and in the Bols Lounge

Lets start with the most controversial.....

Broadsides
*Broadsides are Slow and Purposeful, 2+ and T4 now.
*They come with twin linked Rail Guns str8 ap1 railguns and can take plasma or missiles as well.
*They have a suit upgrade that let's them at the start of a shooting phase have skyfire.
*They don't have interceptor, nor do they snap fire ground targets.
*Can Splitfire still
*85pts- that includes base cost + skyfire upgrade

Rail Weapons
Rail Rifle S6 AP3
Rail Gun S8 AP1
Rail Cannon S10 AP1

Fire Warriors
*Have the option for all Firewarrior units within 6" to fire Overwatch
*Have a new special HQ
*Apparently this can potentially be 4 if the Fire Warrior special character is also attached.
*A character that allows Firewarriors to consolidate after Overwatch

Uber Suit
*The Tau uber suit is called "Riptide"
*Is a Jump Monstrous Creature
*rumored to be around 165 base but only start with twin-linked Plasma.
*Conflicting Reports but looks like its found in the Elite Foc
*Can take an Ion Accelerator upgrade: three S7 AP3 shots or one S8 AP2 Large Blast.
*There's supposedly a special rule on the Riptide called Nova Accelerator which can do 4 things:
1.Buff weaponry (unsure how or which weapons)
2.Double the shots of support weapons (missile pods ect)
3.Increase invulnerable save to 3++
4.Boost a stat

Tau Codex Author
*Jeremy Vetock

Model Releases Alongside the codex ( Looks like April 6th)
*Riptide large suit
*Flyer dual kit (fighter and bomber)
*New Battlesuit and Broadside models (not sure if these dual kit or not)
*Plastic Pathfinders
*A new Fire Warrior HQ (not sure if the special character mentioned above or a generic one)

Again no Kroot stuff at all, maybe there've been dropped from the new codex and been added to that rumored allies book.

Enjoy

Still 10 Pathfinders + 3 drones for 25,- vs 10 fire Warriors + 2 drones for 31,- is somehow weird (even though in a good way this time).

FW box has 12 FW's.

Again the rumors say "new" battlesuit models...do you think maybe they aren't just repackaging the old suits and that they cut new sprues to make the three pack? Seems like a waste when you could have just made a kit based on one of Roberto Cirillo's awesome designs.

Im most excited about reading it. Im going to spend a couple of days just reading it and assembling te models.
The thing i dislike the most about old codexes is that the units only get a blip.

 Happygrunt wrote:

Not all modern aircraft have sweeping back wings. Some, like the above Reaper drone, have wings that are straight out. The drone aesthetic could have been what the designers were going for.

You're giving them way too much credit. Besides, Razorshark is meant to be an air superiority fighter, just like Barracuda, Nephilim or Thunderbolt. Just for sake of example, I give detailed explanation why this model doesn't work.
Many existing GW or FW fliers draw from real-world aircraft so they offer recognizable archetypes, which people can relate to. Ork Dakkajet draws from MiG-15. Valkyrie is based in Mi-24 Hind, Thunderbolt has WW2 fighter aesthetics, Barracuda, Manta and Tigershark look lot like Avro Vulcan, etc. People expect model visuals to fit to the role they play in-game. (of course it's not absolutely necessary, but it helps).

Razor/Sunshark is based on existing Piranha model. This as such may seem as logical, but it is a mistake. Piranha is a skimmer, land vehicle in game terms. If you look at Dark Eldar fliers, they do not even remotely resemble Deldar skimmers. Similarly, Space Marine fliers are not enlarged Land Speeders. They have their own, distinctive designs, even if they may borrow some individual visual elements to estabilish a common "feel" with rest of the range. Forgeworld Tau fliers are designed along these principles and most people agree they look good.

There are other problems. The model does not really give impression of speed, it's too front heavy with it's wings and heavily rounded nose. If the model was pure attack aircraft, it might be acceptable (A-10 comparison being adept here, also Il-2 etc) but it's meant to be a fighter too. Generally, when you have multi-role aircraft like fighter-bomber, they are designed as fighters first as that's more challenging, and attack characteristics are secondary. F-15 makes a good attack aircraft, but you can't make a fighter out of A-10. Model's design priority is bass-ackwards. Model also doesn't look very aggressive - same problem Storm Talon has, though for different reasons. Craft is too rounded, looking more like some sort of racer vehicle rather than tool of war. Inverted V tail gives the craft subdued feel. Engines look bit too small. Finally, tail booms look completely pointless. Since the craft already has a proper tail, the booms are just unnecessary visual element to confuse people. I guess they were added as an afterthought, to give model some new element so it wouldn't look so boring, but it didn't work.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Again the rumors say "new" battlesuit models...do you think maybe they aren't just repackaging the old suits and that they cut new sprues to make the three pack? Seems like a waste when you could have just made a kit based on one of Roberto Cirillo's awesome designs.

Here's a crazy question: Could it be possible that GW doesn't have the legal right to produce them? That somehow they only acquired the rights to everything they actually produced using his designs (like the stealth suits) and anything they didn't produce back then they don't have the right to produce now? Because frankly I'm having trouble comprehending how GW can choose to continue with the almost universally decried original XV-8 design and choose not to produce the almost universally-loved Cirillo designs unless there was some other factor involved.

Also interesting: On Cirillo's homepage we can see the new stealth suit and Commander Shadowsun, but none of his crisis suit designs are there.

Couldn't they just buy the rights though? Or are they too cheap for that?

Many on net forums don't like the suits, but what GW cares about is sales figures

If they old suits sell well (for a Tau unit) there's no real chance of a replacement, especially as FW does provide an alternative for those who would otherwise not buy a suit at-all

(you might also find the FW suit design is not suitable for tooling in styrene, dependant on what undercuts it requires and where they are, going from metal/resin to plastic is not nessesarily straight forward, especially if you want to have your mould line somewhere they are not noticible or easy to clean off, which recent GW have done very well)

Love the new minis, really hate the prices. Only thing I would change would be to clip off those long plastic pieces connecting the wings on the flyiers.

Its coming out in April. My local store already has pics of the new minis.

So, If the WD comes out n march. We are looking at an april 5.
Bloody hell GW, What have you been smoking to come out with releases withing months of eachother. Take a break.

Loved the suits when they came out, love them now.

My only issue is with o'shovah, he needs a new kit badly, the old one doesn't fit the bill for me

 Formosa wrote:
Loved the suits when they came out, love them now.

My only issue is with o'shovah, he needs a new kit badly, the old one doesn't fit the bill for me

Well, we still know next to nothing about the HQ and Special Character units. Still puzzles me as to why they would take the small handful of photos and neglect to get everything on the release pages...

Well if they get aught, they are in trouble. It might be they had to do it quick.

 Earthbeard wrote:
What I find strange, is in all these 'leaked' pictures from whitedwarf, not one single person ever seems to have the ability to take a decent photograph of something? or a friend who possibly could. /tinfoilhat

I'm bloody terrible at photography, but even my decrepit skills could do better.

With time, good light, and the ability to be casual about it sure.

But we dont know - these pics may have been taking on the sly, in poor lighting or in an effort to try and not get caught....why do you think they are called "leaked" pictures.