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Such a missed opportunity that the helmeted heads don’t have the fanged mouth like the FW upgrade ones do.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Judging by the preview, it looks like there are no spare/alternate pauldrons in the kit...

Except it clearly says there are at least 22 in the box?

Wow. Two whole pads for the champion and then twenty for the ten normal dudes. Hope you like the gladiator pads which seem to have to go with bare arms.

So you have to give them all World Eaters iconography - mildly annoying if you wanted to use them in another Legion - especially as the basic Legionaries kit only has four (?) spares (one of while is moulded into a missile launcher).

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

 Togusa wrote:

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

Cult marines can be taken as Elites in a CSM army, or as Troops in their respective legions.

 xttz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

Cult marines can be taken as Elites in a CSM army, or as Troops in their respective legions.

I think the question then becomes, when taken as elites are they Khorne marked CSMs from their own legion / warband, or are they some World Eaters that got misplaced on the school bus trip. Given the recent IG codex I think we can infer which route GW will take.

Wonder what weapons the Champ can have.

Or rather can't have...

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

Cult marines can be taken as Elites in a CSM army, or as Troops in their respective legions.

I think the question then becomes, when taken as elites are they Khorne marked CSMs from their own legion / warband, or are they some World Eaters that got misplaced on the school bus trip. Given the recent IG codex I think we can infer which route GW will take.

I mean its not a mystery, the chaos marine codex covers it, they become <legion>.

Dudeface wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

Cult marines can be taken as Elites in a CSM army, or as Troops in their respective legions.

I think the question then becomes, when taken as elites are they Khorne marked CSMs from their own legion / warband, or are they some World Eaters that got misplaced on the school bus trip. Given the recent IG codex I think we can infer which route GW will take.

I mean its not a mystery, the chaos marine codex covers it, they become <legion>.

Chaos Marines don't always stay with their original Legion - look how many different types have joined the Black Legion. Just because a handful of frothing-at-the-mouth murderers are genetically World Eaters doesn't mean they couldn't paint their armor black to show they've thrown their lot in with Abaddon.

But if it bothers you that much, just use different pads.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

Cult marines can be taken as Elites in a CSM army, or as Troops in their respective legions.

I think the question then becomes, when taken as elites are they Khorne marked CSMs from their own legion / warband, or are they some World Eaters that got misplaced on the school bus trip. Given the recent IG codex I think we can infer which route GW will take.

I mean its not a mystery, the chaos marine codex covers it, they become <legion>.

Chaos Marines don't always stay with their original Legion - look how many different types have joined the Black Legion. Just because a handful of frothing-at-the-mouth murderers are genetically World Eaters doesn't mean they couldn't paint their armor black to show they've thrown their lot in with Abaddon.

But if it bothers you that much, just use different pads.

Literally the complaint.

I don't recall anyone complaining about Plague Marines or Rubric Marines having Legion-specific iconography and pads.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

Cult marines can be taken as Elites in a CSM army, or as Troops in their respective legions.

I think the question then becomes, when taken as elites are they Khorne marked CSMs from their own legion / warband, or are they some World Eaters that got misplaced on the school bus trip. Given the recent IG codex I think we can infer which route GW will take.

I mean its not a mystery, the chaos marine codex covers it, they become <legion>.

Chaos Marines don't always stay with their original Legion - look how many different types have joined the Black Legion. Just because a handful of frothing-at-the-mouth murderers are genetically World Eaters doesn't mean they couldn't paint their armor black to show they've thrown their lot in with Abaddon.

But if it bothers you that much, just use different pads.

Literally the complaint.

Was it? Nobody else mentioned the pads.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Weren't cult marines removed from the vanilla codex? I think they're WE locked now, aren't they?

Cult marines can be taken as Elites in a CSM army, or as Troops in their respective legions.

I think the question then becomes, when taken as elites are they Khorne marked CSMs from their own legion / warband, or are they some World Eaters that got misplaced on the school bus trip. Given the recent IG codex I think we can infer which route GW will take.

AFAIK it remains they are members of whatever Legion, but Khorne-marked with the Butcher's Nails DLC.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
It’s very hard to find right handed melee weapons. A few models have them and your best bet is the chaos raptor set. Sadly arms are already joined to the hands.

Take 'em from fantasy models. The old (current?) Chaos warriors have weapon arm pieces only as long as their gauntlet.

If you　plan that route hurry up. That kit is going away as evident by twin weapon option going away in new book. Once new book comes so comes new box and old goes away.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't recall anyone complaining about Plague Marines or Rubric Marines having Legion-specific iconography and pads.

Rubrics don't have legion iconography moulded on their pauldrons, and the Plague Marines only have three or four legion-marked pads.

Rubrics don't need Legion iconography, as there's not really been another Dusting.

I like the irony of the Rubrics for the 1kSons, what with them being the unchanging marines of the change god... but they don't really work for me as regular, "generic" Tzeentch marines the way berserkers or plague marines do.

Source on WE discord says that the combat patrol is 1 juggerlord, 10 berserkers, 20 jakhals.

Not great, not terrible...

I refuse to have literally half my World Eater-army invalidated due to GW's laziness.

Untill GW pulls their heads out of their behinds and makes a proper WE-codex (might never happen, granted) I'll use the rules for Red Corsairs / Word Bearers / Creations of Bile (haven't decided yet) for my World Eaters.

I can accept a new codex with poor rules for my army.
I won't accept a new codex that removes a bunch of my army without properly giving something in return.

 MinscS2 wrote:
I refuse to have literally half my World Eater-army invalidated due to GW's laziness.

Untill GW pulls their heads out of their behinds and makes a proper WE-codex (might never happen, granted) I'll use the rules for Red Corsairs / Word Bearers / Creations of Bile (haven't decided yet) for my World Eaters.

I can accept a new codex with poor rules for my army.
I won't accept a new codex that removes a bunch of my army without properly giving something in return.

That's the power of using Marines as your main army. For every gak codex GW does, you'll be able to find rules that aren't trash. Substitute away, my friend!

 MinscS2 wrote:
Untill GW pulls their heads out of their behinds and makes a proper WE-codex (might never happen, granted) I'll use the rules for Red Corsairs / Word Bearers / Creations of Bile (haven't decided yet) for my World Eaters.

Look on the bright side: At least we can use the Chaos Codex to rep the various Legions.

Once upon a time Chaos Marine rules were so bad playing them as Loyalists was the only way to make them resemble the rules they lost after 3.5.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MinscS2 wrote:
Untill GW pulls their heads out of their behinds and makes a proper WE-codex (might never happen, granted) I'll use the rules for Red Corsairs / Word Bearers / Creations of Bile (haven't decided yet) for my World Eaters.

Look on the bright side: At least we can use the Chaos Codex to rep the various Legions.

Once upon a time Chaos Marine rules were so bad playing them as Loyalists was the only way to make them resemble the rules they lost after 3.5.

I still maintain that, bad internal balance aside and some weird choices for rules, only being able to use the Traitor Legion supplement in 7th for less than a year was a goddamn insult.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
I still maintain that, bad internal balance aside and some weird choices for rules, only being able to use the Traitor Legion supplement in 7th for less than a year was a goddamn insult.

T'was a sad day.



RIP fun. Options. Customisation. Flavour. Choice.

I think that the only "Khorne" model I have now that isn't in the rumored army list is a Defiler and an Armorcast Cannon of Khorne I've been using as a Vindicator.

Isn't the Defiler already shown on the points list page? As seen in this thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/807741.page#11457613

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Isn't the Defiler already shown on the points list page? As seen in this thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/807741.page#11457613

Whoops, my bad. Okay, I lost the Vindicator, but regained my Jugger-lord. I guess it's just a lateral shift for me then. Nothing for me to complain about.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Look on the bright side: At least we can use the Chaos Codex to rep the various Legions.

You're funny.

Ok, fine, except Night Lords.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
I still maintain that, bad internal balance aside and some weird choices for rules, only being able to use the Traitor Legion supplement in 7th for less than a year was a goddamn insult.

T'was a sad day.

Spoiler:

RIP fun. Options. Customisation. Flavour. Choice.

I'd argue there's still a good amount of customization via Warlord Traits and Relics, but how other wargear has been handled has been pretty bad. That said, there were definitely choices that were more of an illusion. Nobody takes the Aura of Dark glory over the Sigil after all.

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Such a missed opportunity that the helmeted heads don’t have the fanged mouth like the FW upgrade ones do.

This. The heads we got look like every person's custom berserker helmet, where they cut off some AOS bloodwarrior helmets and glued the bunny ears on a generic CSM head. The FW heads were and are some of the coolest upgrade heads IMO and its a shame the plastic kit falls short

Yep, especially when they focused on berserkers as WEs, they really had no reason not to do the stylized teeth grill.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/12/angrons-rules-revealed-how-many-spines-could-spinegrinder-grind-if-spinegrinder-could-grind-spines/

What a (non) surprise. The leaks were true, again !