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After the hubbub of the leaked prices for the new box set and the preview of both Jain Zar and Drazhar's rules I noticed there was a seemingly sharp backlash or at the very least vocal disappointment for the release of Phoenix Rising and in some cases the rest of Psychic Awakening.

I first put this poll up on a few Reddit subs but I want to see if I can hit a bigger demographic as at the time of making this thread the general consensus seems to be one of concern swinging back and forth. I tried to offer as many choices as possible, including a wait and see option, so feel free to vote and explain further in the comments below if necessary.

http://www.strawpoll.me/18768371

As a Necron player myself and someone who was on the fence about Craftworlds as a potential second army I'm cautiously optimistic as a FYI.


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Totally meh for me.
I dont collect DE so dont care about them.
I do collect CWE but the release so far has (very) little to no interest.

Im hoping Crons and Nids get better loving when their sections drop.

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Would be nice if you actually created a poll here instead of posting a link, but whatever.

Not really excited as an Eldar player at the moment. From what we've seen with Jain Zar and the banshees, GW is not capable of balancing units to what we've recently seen for marines. This will probably dictate the success of the series, a direct comparison to the level of power marines have risen to with their recent codexes. This is not a small rant about marines since I'm currently building Raven Guard, but the next few months will be a good representation for what we can expect for the rest of 8th edition.
   
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I will probably still buy it... I love Howling Banshees and my wife really enjoys Incubi, so the set was practically made for us...

That being said, the preview yesterday was a bit of a let down. They had a chance to really take these two heroes up a step or two... neither really pop up in anything but fluffy lists, and they're not really game changers in what the bring to the table. But after the rules spoiling yesterday, they're more-or-less unchanged (or worse off in some cases).

I was really disappointed to see Jain lose Disarming Strike in favor of a blender mode. Now she really needs to chase chaff and will be just barely better than a stock HQ without aura buffs if she's not allowed to blender into some poor unit (that's probably not worth her attention in the first place). At least with Disarming Strike she could lock down some really irritating CC characters and help out in that department.

I've never been a fan of her Aspect power, either. Fight first is cool and all, but hardly a buff worth writing home about, especially when the unit engaged will either melt on contact or withdraw and not have to fight next round anyways.

The one-on-one contest went to Jain, but with Drazhar having the capability of doubling his attacks and a much more impactful aura of adding 1 to Incubi wound rolls, and all of his attacks doing flat 2 damage... I think he wins overall. I'll still play Jain with my Banshees, but I don't expect to actually get anything out of this new box worth playing outside of the customizable craftworld attributes and possibly the Howling Banshee exarch powers.
   
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I am not an eldar player or anything, but I am very happy that they are FINALLY getting plastic models to replace those ancient sculpts.

I am more excited for the campaign books and whether they will have any good rules or models for my personal faction.
   
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Why no poll here. An outside poll has a bad touch.

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As a Drukhari player I really like the new sculpts, and the rules tweaks for Drazhar and Incubi, but they are (for now) bundled in an expensive box with a load of stuff I'm not interested in.

Some of the new Obsessions are interesting, but they aren't really a bonus, but rather a replacement for existing traits.

Overall, a bit disappointed thus far.

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bullyboy wrote:Would be nice if you actually created a poll here instead of posting a link, but whatever.


wuestenfux wrote:Why no poll here. An outside poll has a bad touch.



Well originally the poll was just for Reddit so I had to use an outside source. After about 65-70 odd votes initially I kinda wanted a wider demographic as I stated before. I could have used the poll function here to compare the two results to see if there's a disparity, saying that now I will probably do that next time cause it sounds interesting, but I wanted a unified consensus.


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I was going to split atlest 2 boxes with a friend, he wanted to start collecting dark elfs and he like new cool models, but after he saw the price he just say no. Even with retailers price that box is just to expensive.
All the rules leaked for now look like nothing special, if that is the case competitive players will not buy the box.
   
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Wow, an expensive box set with half useless to me (don't collect that faction) and the other half just meh (crap units are still just crap units that nobody wants, I already have a couple of falcons - HOW many editions and these are *still* absolute garbage)...

Just... bleurgh. Could we not have had a full aspect warrior release (dual kits) ?
   
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I'm cautiously optimistic, I don't know if I'll be buying the box yet but the campaign book would be awesome for the fluff included.

I do want to add some Incubi to my small Kabal though and I really like Drahzar!

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 harlokin wrote:
As a Drukhari player I really like the new sculpts, and the rules tweaks for Drazhar and Incubi, but they are (for now) bundled in an expensive box with a load of stuff I'm not interested in.


This. Voted 'cautiously optimistic' though - expensive bundling aside, the new sculpts are great and the rules certainly look to be an improvement.
   
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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic, I don't know if I'll be buying the box yet but the campaign book would be awesome for the fluff included.

I do want to add some Incubi to my small Kabal though and I really like Drahzar!


Yeah I'm more inclined to just get the campaign books when the Necrons come around and I don't believe they'll get any crazy new models (maybe plastic flayed ones or HQs) so some of the issues are beyond my sphere of the hobby.


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This is the only time in my life I've been tempted to start Eldar - which is saying something as they've been my most dislkiked faction. The idea of them having all the customizablity of an Imperial force is a really strong pull

Not certain on the box set - it has everything, but that makes it a heck of an upfront investment.

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Unless they wow me with a price way lower than I expect, it’s probably a no go.
I really only “Need” 6 of the models in the box, and it’s not like they are going to suddenly go into my army. It’s a unit I have wanted to replace for something like 20 years now.

Reading there article was not impressed. I guess when I am so dispointed in the rules of the game it’s hard to get exited along with the articles tone when they are trying to impress with turn one charge.
Think of all the tactics when you don’t have to think about melee delivery methods. Or anything like that. Bleh. Made me less excited for the release.
   
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That box set is a mess of bad decisions.


   
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I hope the rules in the future are going to be sold without the big box. no way am I paying 250$ for models I may not want.

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Yeah, the contents of the box set are just veeeery meh.

On the Eldar side, a lot has already been said about the falcon and vyper: Theyre ancient, generally useless models that GW has only really ever been able to sell as taxes (for formations, in 7th). If you want one, you've had 5 editions to buy one. If you don't, you don't want to be saddled with them.

It's like if a new Space Marine unit came out and they packaged it with the amazing VINDICATOR and everyones favorite THE LAND SPEEDER!

On the Deldar side, Venoms, Raiders, and Wyches are extremely easy to get in discounted sets. They're ALWAYS what's in the discounted sets. So while they aren't bad pieces, there's just not a ton of excitement for me with them.

2x wrack kits, a Venom and a Raider would be much more interesting to me since A) Wracks are a much more expensive kit and would make the hihg price point of the box a lot more palatable to me and B ) the alleged enmity between ynnari and Covens would make for a more interesting box.

Also, as a set of two armies to fight each other, they're very meh. the banshee side is basically never going to be able to fight the wyches. the Deldar side can basically not hurt the eldar tanks. Any game between these two sides would pretty much be "Falcon kills Raider, eldar tanks forced to kite the whole game to avoid Drazar, the only threat to them, Banshees hide in the falcon because they cannot under any circumstances fight wyches."

Then the final kicker to me is the full rules aren't in the box, and the box is so much pricier than other similar army boxes. Basically strikes out on every count for me.

I will still definitely buy Drazar and some Incubi.

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the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, the contents of the box set are just veeeery meh.

On the Eldar side, a lot has already been said about the falcon and vyper: Theyre ancient, generally useless models that GW has only really ever been able to sell as taxes (for formations, in 7th). If you want one, you've had 5 editions to buy one. If you don't, you don't want to be saddled with them.

It's like if a new Space Marine unit came out and they packaged it with the amazing VINDICATOR and everyones favorite THE LAND SPEEDER!

On the Deldar side, Venoms, Raiders, and Wyches are extremely easy to get in discounted sets. They're ALWAYS what's in the discounted sets. So while they aren't bad pieces, there's just not a ton of excitement for me with them.

2x wrack kits, a Venom and a Raider would be much more interesting to me since A) Wracks are a much more expensive kit and would make the hihg price point of the box a lot more palatable to me and B ) the alleged enmity between ynnari and Covens would make for a more interesting box.

Also, as a set of two armies to fight each other, they're very meh. the banshee side is basically never going to be able to fight the wyches. the Deldar side can basically not hurt the eldar tanks. Any game between these two sides would pretty much be "Falcon kills Raider, eldar tanks forced to kite the whole game to avoid Drazar, the only threat to them, Banshees hide in the falcon because they cannot under any circumstances fight wyches."

Then the final kicker to me is the full rules aren't in the box, and the box is so much pricier than other similar army boxes. Basically strikes out on every count for me.

I will still definitely buy Drazar and some Incubi.


At least give the DE a vehicle that can transport the Incubi AND Drazhar. I understand no wracks as that would not work for a Ynnari faction that could utilize the entire box.
It should have at least been Drazhar, Incubi, Raider (so they fit), Scourges and maybe some reavers. Eldar I get the falcon because it actually allows the banshees and jain Zar to ride, and the Serpent sells itself. But give us 3 windriders instead of the Vyper. Poor taste to be dumping old, poorly selling kits onto new players.
   
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The box set seems like GWs "big ask" to me the box set is 230, that's a big price point in my opinion. If it's a straight conversion to Cdn dollars than it's gonna be over 300 before taxes. It's a little hard to justify that here for a lot of people
   
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Isn't it a bit early? I mean the models and set aren't even out yet for people. Right now its a lot of theory and opinion thrown up in the air. At least wait for the dust to settle on things going actually for sale before trying to poll for peoples opinions on the new content.

Otherwise polls like this tend to only attract the most extreme likers/haters of the concept which can even include a lot of people for whom the content would never interest them no matter what GW did (eg those, in this case, who don't like Eldar in any form)

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Completely neutral at the moment.

And the Phoenix box does absolutely nothing for me. It contains:
* 1 Falcon & 1 Vyper - No thanks, I'm good. I've had enough Falcons & Vypers for decades now.
* New sculpts of my least favorite aspect & their P.Lord. - They look good. But Banshees are still my least favorite aspect. So if I ever dig out my Eldar & for some reason feel the need to field Banshees my ages old 2e squad & Zar will do just fine.
* A bunch of DE stuff - I don't play DE & have no plans to start, so....
   
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Looking forward to the book to see what it offers, but the box set has been a big disappointment. No way I am going to pay that much money so I can just offload GW of some old warehouse stock. Most of the time I am the idiot that gobbles up every single box set GW has to offer, but even I balk at that price point. Even my FLGS is just ordering one box because they are afraid nobody will buy it.

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It's a non-factor to me, really. Will I check out the new Eldar info and stats for some of the units? Sure. The boxed set is an absolute joke, and I find most of GW's fluff and lore right now to be really lazy or ham-fisted...so I have no interest in the "story" they're putting forward.

The amount of Eldar content in the book indicates there is not a new Eldar codex in the immediate future, so that's unfortunate...but some help is better than none. As more armies get more special treatment my CSM Renegades continue to get worse...so that's fun.

So, in short: meh.
   
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The rules look neat. Stuff like +2 to charge and +1 ap to shuriken are enough to get me excited for their book/index/whatever they want to call it.

Box is gak though
   
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Well, I've pre-ordered Drazhar (£20) and 5 Incubi (£25), looking forward to seeing their tweaked rules in action.

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Cautiously optomistic as far as the book goes. We've been a little light on rules previews for it so far but the create-your-own Craftworld/Obsession abilities look good enough to at least make use out of them and the one power we've seen from Runes of Fortune looks good. Drazhar has been buffed though sadly Jain Zar has been nerfed. Remains to be seen just how far the rules changes go.
   
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 Overread wrote:
Isn't it a bit early? I mean the models and set aren't even out yet for people. Right now its a lot of theory and opinion thrown up in the air. At least wait for the dust to settle on things going actually for sale before trying to poll for peoples opinions on the new content.

Otherwise polls like this tend to only attract the most extreme likers/haters of the concept which can even include a lot of people for whom the content would never interest them no matter what GW did (eg those, in this case, who don't like Eldar in any form)


Actually this is pretty much why I made the poll in the first place. The internet is prone to knee-jerk itself into oblivion over anything and the 40k fanbase is no exception to the rule. My intent was to try and consolidate the early feelings people had scattered over various forums into a visible graph and I also made sure to leave a neutral option as well as a a wait and see for people like yourself.

What would be interesting would be to have a second poll a few weeks after the release of Phoenix Rising and compare the results to see if there's any change to the "general" consensus.


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