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Stinky linky https://io9.gizmodo.com/here-is-the-frankly-ridiculous-list-of-everything-comin-1839029260

It’s......it’s a lot?

You know in End Game, when the Avengers assemble, and Thanos’ face just sort of drops?

I think Disney May have just done that to Netflix...

maybe, might give it a whirl once they give up on drip feeding stuff to get stable opening subs, or offer a freeby month

although if you have wee ones the chance of avoiding it is deader than something very dead

There’s an awful, awful lot there. I genuinely had to stop scrolling, as the words no make sense after a while!

Early 2020 UK release window now confirmed, but awaiting specific date.

May book a week off to binge.

Curious what % of all of that the single line of "The Simpsons" actually accounts for....

Holy gak...they have every Marvel cartoon that ever existed since the 1981 Spider-Man. I’m talking silver Surfer cartoon, Spider-Man animated series from 1994, Incredible Hulk cartoon...everything. Nothing got missed. I checked. It’s all there from day one. I’m...wow, that’s a lot to take in. So long Netflix. You were great. Time for your dirt nap.

Netflix, about to be Blockbuster’d.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Netflix, about to be Blockbuster’d.

Brie Larson is going to go crashing through it?

Quite possibly!

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Netflix, about to be Blockbuster’d.

Brie Larson is going to go crashing through it?

That's the plot of Captain Marvel 2.

EDIT: After giving it 10 seconds of thought, didn't this basically happen when the first movie was the first withheld from Netflix?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Netflix, about to be Blockbuster’d.

Poetic considering Netflix killed Blockbuster in the first place (with a bit of help from RedBox)
I'll be canceling my Netflix this month, I think. I only got it to watch Stranger Things and the Dark Crystal. Both of those aren't likely to get another season til late next year.

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WAIT All the old cartoons? Darn I might actually watch all the Xmen for once! Without having to hunt down dvds.


Also in fairness Blockbuster killed itself - mostly because the US main wing thought that the idea of internet streaming was silly and not worth investment over their current model. I seem to recall that the UK and other regions tried to convince the main wing that streaming was a big part of the future.

 Galef wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Netflix, about to be Blockbuster’d.

Poetic considering Netflix killed Blockbuster in the first place (with a bit of help from RedBox)
I'll be canceling my Netflix this month, I think. I only got it to watch Stranger Things and the Dark Crystal. Both of those aren't likely to get another season til late next year.

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The internet killed the radio star.

I’m wondering if a successful Disney+ might put others off their own streaming service?

I mean, Disney owns so, so much these days. Fox, Marvel, Lucasfilm, all their own stuff. Heck, they even own Nat Geo.

And as such, their platform has a near universal appeal thanks a ridiculous breadth of offerings - all for a pretty paltry monthly fee.

As discussed elsewhere, them going for Netflix’s jugular on price alone is a sod for would be competitors.

After all, what does say, Universal have to offer me that I’d pay the same price for? $7 a month, or $70 for the year.

Short answer? Not enough that I’m aware of. Which means, they realistically need to charge less. So one has to question at what price point such a service becomes unsustainable.


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 Overread wrote:
WAIT All the old cartoons? Darn I might actually watch all the Xmen for once! Without having to hunt down dvds.


Also in fairness Blockbuster killed itself - mostly because the US main wing thought that the idea of internet streaming was silly and not worth investment over their current model. I seem to recall that the UK and other regions tried to convince the main wing that streaming was a big part of the future.

According to a FactFiend article, Blockbuster had a chance to buy Netflix!

I think that we all knew streaming services would eventually whittle down to fewer services. We might see service mergers too and even a rise of middleman companies.

Subscribe to Digital TV and get Netflix, Amazon Prime (TV only) and Disney + all for *insert low low price*


If you get enough streaming services I can see that happening. I also can't see firms like Amazon or Netflix giving up, changing perhaps. Thing is seeing things like Carnival Road and Dark Crystal coming from these other streaming services actually benefits us as customers a lot.


Another thing that might happen is more short term contracts with people just rotating what they subscribe to in a given period. This might give rise to more "all in one" releases of TV series. so instead of teasing out each episode over months they upload the whole block in one go.

Thing is, the House of Mouse is better able to commission stuff as well.

So Netflix and Prime aren’t the only dogs in the yard.

For me, Netflix took off thanks to Daredevil. That’s when I really took it seriously, rather than as an archive of older shows, and odd US imports featuring bizarrely excitable people doing incredibly mundane things.

Prime will likely survive, as it’s a side benefit to free Amazon delivery etc, so already has unique selling points.

Still, Netflix are nothing if not innovative. Just hope they don’t compromise on already not very consistent quality just to get new offerings before the Gods of Ragnarok....

The thing that will be interesting to see is what new content they will develop after they analyse what their customers have been streaming. There are shows that were only possible on Netflix because they saw what people watched and made content to capitalize on that. With as massive a catalog as Disney has I wonder what old properties will get revisited based on new info.

I'm assuming that list is for the US only. I bet it'll only be half that up here in Canada.

 Overread wrote:
Another thing that might happen is more short term contracts with people just rotating what they subscribe to in a given period. This might give rise to more "all in one" releases of TV series. so instead of teasing out each episode over months they upload the whole block in one go.

Actually I think it will drive companies the other way; they’ll want to spread things out as much as they can and have new series starting just as your current ones are finishing, to try and hook you in to paying for as many months of the year as they can.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I'm assuming that list is for the US only. I bet it'll only be half that up here in Canada.

If Netflix is anything to go by, us Euros are only get 20-40% of it.

So far as we know, it's a universal list.

Which makes sense, as compared to Netflix, the only person Disney is negotiating airing rights with is, well, Disney.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So far as we know, it's a universal list.

Which makes sense, as compared to Netflix, the only person Disney is negotiating airing rights with is, well, Disney.

Eh companies can be all kinds of crazy stupid when it comes to regional stuff at times
That said I agree it should, in theory, be easy for Disney as they hold iron cast rights to pretty much everything they get their hands on.


Plus most of the stuff on the list is already released in many territories in other formats, though a lot of the legacy stuff is well out of DVD production (or just very very niche).

Only issue I can see are existing deals for Disney channels on Satellite and Cable carriers.

But one imagines such broadcast rights are considered separate to Streaming Rights?

I mean there's a certain amount of guess work going on!

Consider WWE Network. Thanks to Sky, and by relation Dingo 'Ruins Everything' Wucker, we in the UK get Monday Night RAW etc exactly one month after it airs on Sky Sports - but we still get it, in the end.


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And there's definitely incentive for Disney+ to again one up Netflix over this very issue.

For one, it's easy enough to get round with IP spoofing and that (it has a technical term, but I'm not a technical person. Virtual Peer perhaps?).

For two? We know we get a Poor Man's Netflix here in the UK. Yes, we get the odd thing the US may not, but we still have a restricted menu.

Disney+ offering a universal playlist, with no regional exceptions, for the competitive price they've set? That's got massive appeal in the UK and Europe - and again, given it's to do with international rights, not something Netflix can copy in a great hurry - and certainly not without expense.

 Jadenim wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Another thing that might happen is more short term contracts with people just rotating what they subscribe to in a given period. This might give rise to more "all in one" releases of TV series. so instead of teasing out each episode over months they upload the whole block in one go.

Actually I think it will drive companies the other way; they’ll want to spread things out as much as they can and have new series starting just as your current ones are finishing, to try and hook you in to paying for as many months of the year as they can.

They can do that if they want, it just means they go from getting a lot of folk's money for a couple of months a year to getting none of their money at all - their shows will get watched by those people either way.

Christ it's been twenty years since the internet went mainstream and these companies still haven't grasped that unless they manage to fundamentally change the nature of how the system operates they cannot prevent piracy. It's like governments who believe you can have encryption that can be broken on a whim by "good guys" like law enforcement that will also somehow remain secure against "bad guys" like criminals and foreign agents - tech literacy should be mandatory for anyone in any position of power and authority.

Well, it's good to see the anemic selection on the test-run in the Netherlands was just for the test-run. I may cancel it a month late.

Yeah, I'd say Disney wins this round.


But...

I'd like to see similarly formated lists for Netflix and Hulu. With the same spacing and ads eating space. It'd be interesting to see how they compare side by side.

Voss wrote:
Yeah, I'd say Disney wins this round.


But...

I'd like to see similarly formated lists for Netflix and Hulu. With the same spacing and ads eating space. It'd be interesting to see how they compare side by side.

^^^^This

That list is certainly long, but I'm not sure I'd call it impressive. It's a whole bunch of classic Disney films, which is nice I guess, some cartoons I don't particularly care for and the Marvel/Star Wars stuff alongside an indeterminate amount of new, original content. I'm not really seeing what people are getting so excited about, or why they're surprised at what's on it.

^This. The problem Disney has is its super family-friendly image and reluctance to go for more adult themes. This is where Netflix will dominate. So where are we at in terms of existing streaming and new streaming services?

We currently have

Netflix
Amazon
Hulu

With

Disney
Apple
Peacock
HBO Max

on the way...

Hard pass, thanks.

I'm assuming the Mandalorian will be available on all good *ahem* sites in the usual way.

You know, like all those classic cartoons people are suddenly excited for have been for a decade.

Some peeps disagree with digital piracy though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Some peeps disagree with digital piracy though.

Then they can cough up or miss out.

The reality of the matter is boycotting as traditionally conceived doesn't really work in modern capitalism; the same trends and tech that allows niche products to find an audience and remain profitable also enable non-niche products to maximise their audience to the extent that purposeful and public witholding of purchases doesn't really make a dent, and can even inspire counter-protests based on perceived ideological concerns that negate them entirely(I knew someone who went to see TLJ - a film they thought was "okay" - seven times in the cinema purely to spite people who disliked the movie, because they'd bought in to the narrative that the only people who disliked it were hateful bigots).

The options these days are pay whatever is being asked, don't pay and don't watch, or pirate either in the expectation of later buying a home media release or just as a middle finger. If someone is unwilling to pirate and unwilling to pay, they've eliminated all their options and just have to deal with it.

 Hollow wrote:
^This. The problem Disney has is its super family-friendly image and reluctance to go for more adult themes. This is where Netflix will dominate. So where are we at in terms of existing streaming and new streaming services?

We currently have

Netflix
Amazon
Hulu

With

Disney
Apple
Peacock
HBO Max

on the way...

What's missing in that characterisation is the fact that Disney owns FX and has a majority controlling stake in Hulu - sure, you're not going to find anything gritty on Disney+, but Disney still have both network and streaming avenues to produce and distribute "mature" content, so there's every chance they'll be able to hump Netflix in that arena as well. Also you forgot CBS All Access(although that's understandable, hah).

I just don't think this many services are sustainable, especially if too many of them try to switch back to the weekly schedule setup rather than the binge format. The reason TV piracy took off in the first place was the ludicrous state of cable/satellite TV with its hundreds of channels largely filled with guff and reruns where you were expected to pay through the nose for additional subscriptions to get the good stuff, if they replicate that scenario with online streaming, which they seem to be, what happened with Game of Thrones(ie good shows will be both wildly successful commercially, and also heavily pirated, and bad shows will blame their lack of commercial success on piracy despite the ample evidence that good stuff still makes money no matter how many people "steal" it) will just be the norm for everything again.