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So the rumor is these are the scheduled releases for PA:

Volume 1: Asuryani vs. Drukhari (October 2019)

Volume 2 : Chaos vs BT (end of November)

Volume 3: Blood Angels vs. Tyranids (before 2020)

Volume 4: SW vs Ork (inevitably after)

In addition GW have said that armies that didnt feature much (if at all) in the Vigilus campaign would get updates and kits etc.

However there dosent seem to be anything coming down the line for:
Crons
Tau
GKs
Admech (although they did get the new tank thingy)
Chaos Daemons

I acknowledge GW cant support every army for every campaign / big release but surely as two of the leading Xenos factions Crons and Tau deserve a bit more?
Are they not selling? Do GW think they are in an OK state? Are GW simply focusing on their top sellers coming up to Xmas?

It might be that there's more than 4 books coming, or that the later books cover more than the two factions listed (or that rumour could be false).

Having a Xenos on Xenos action box suggests that they are looking to push Ynarri big in the near future. Other than that business as normal? Who knows.

GW said every faction gets something so clearly there has to be more than 4 books. That or there's more than 2 faction per book somewhere.

Albeit that doesn't mean all will get fast or much.

GW has openly said everyone is getting releases, these rumors (assuming they're true and a LOT of people are cynical about this rumor given it implies a december release for book 3. that's waaay too fast a release schedule for GW even if they did typically have a release in december)

are clearly not for everything.

Maybe the other factions just get lore mentions in the other 4 books. Not everyone has to get rules.

Karol wrote:
Maybe the other factions just get lore mentions in the other 4 books. Not everyone has to get rules.

they've said everyone will get something, if not new minis at least new rules. I'd not be suprised to see Grey Knights vs Chaos Deamons (with hopefully Grey Knights getting a MAJOR power boost)

BrianDavion wrote:
these rumors (assuming they're true and a LOT of people are cynical about this rumor given it implies a december release for book 3. that's waaay too fast a release schedule for GW even if they did typically have a release in december)

Who are these "LOTs" of people? I've literally only seen this argument from yourself?

Regardless - as others have stated, the rumoured release schedule above is only the first four books, there will obviously be more with different things for Crons and Tau at a later stage. GW have stated as much.

You know I have a fair distrust of people saying something. At the start of the year everyone was suppose to get new uniforms at my school. It went from everyone, to everyone who takes part in competitions on the state level, to everyone has the option to buy a uniform with the official school design from the store owned by the school directors wife.

And this is not a GK thing by the way. Something can mean many things. Now if GW came out and said that each necron dynasty will get a new "doctrine", stratagems, relics etc. It would be different. Otherwise it may end up like the orc hype for orktober last year.

I think it depends on the faction.

With Necrons I imagine they will get some love, most likely some C'Tan turned into plastic as well as a single unit or two(like with the Aeldari release). Tau fare a little better, but I would not be surprised if they end up giving them a plastic replacement for a resin hero. Personally I hope for a plastic Farsight. As someone mentioned this campaign feels like a victory lap where they are upgrading old resin kits.

GKs are in a different boat altogether. They need a revamp and I wonder if they are not on some puzzleboard being looked at. If I were a prophet I imagine they'll see an interim index entry in White Dwarf and then a release later.

I doubt Ad Mech will get anything new. They are rather recent and do not suffer from having resin models in their library. They also got the new guy in that Kill Team expansion along with the new tank/transport. If anything I imagine the KT guy will be released in a single blister and updated rules and sub-faction trait updates in a campaign book.

beast_gts wrote:
It might be that there's more than 4 books coming, or that the later books cover more than the two factions listed (or that rumour could be false).

I've heard at Spikey Bits that there will be a fifth book in the campaign.

 wuestenfux wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
It might be that there's more than 4 books coming, or that the later books cover more than the two factions listed (or that rumour could be false).

I've heard at Spikey Bits that there will be a fifth book in the campaign.

If they are putting out one a month I can see it going on a while.


What's the most books they've released in a campaign previously? Four for War Zone Damocles?

Assuming nothing comes out in december or in months when AoS stuff comes out, we are still looking at some armies getting their stuff in a year plus time. Who knows if w40k is even going to be a thing that far in the future.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I think it depends on the faction.

With Necrons I imagine they will get some love, most likely some C'Tan turned into plastic as well as a single unit or two(like with the Aeldari release). Tau fare a little better, but I would not be surprised if they end up giving them a plastic replacement for a resin hero. Personally I hope for a plastic Farsight. As someone mentioned this campaign feels like a victory lap where they are upgrading old resin kits.

GKs are in a different boat altogether. They need a revamp and I wonder if they are not on some puzzleboard being looked at. If I were a prophet I imagine they'll see an interim index entry in White Dwarf and then a release later.

I doubt Ad Mech will get anything new. They are rather recent and do not suffer from having resin models in their library. They also got the new guy in that Kill Team expansion along with the new tank/transport. If anything I imagine the KT guy will be released in a single blister and updated rules and sub-faction trait updates in a campaign book.

I can see Tau getting a plastic Shadowsun and maybe some plastic sniper drones in a 5th sphere style book against crons or maybe daemons now they're a little more warp-aware?

Crons do need C'Tan looking at so that makes sense. Nids interests me because there isn't much missing now, just pyro/biovores and the red terror?

I'm hoping for a v2 codex for daemons though tbh, I've never liked how they're shoe-horned into mono-god detachments which often will lose you CP. They at least need a drukhari-like rule for multiple patrols and all the new releases consolidating down, maybe a new undivided engine/gribbly might be nice ala soulgrinder.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
these rumors (assuming they're true and a LOT of people are cynical about this rumor given it implies a december release for book 3. that's waaay too fast a release schedule for GW even if they did typically have a release in december)

Who are these "LOTs" of people? I've literally only seen this argument from yourself?

Regardless - as others have stated, the rumoured release schedule above is only the first four books, there will obviously be more with different things for Crons and Tau at a later stage. GW have stated as much.

seen numerous people say that 3 books before the years end, with one being in december seems off.

Karol wrote:
Assuming nothing comes out in december or in months when AoS stuff comes out, we are still looking at some armies getting their stuff in a year plus time. Who knows if w40k is even going to be a thing that far in the future.

Learn to stop worrying and love the bomb my friend.

Given the damp squib that was Phoenix Rising, I don't think these factions are missing out on much.

Dai wrote:
Having a Xenos on Xenos action box suggests that they are looking to push Ynarri big in the near future.

The fact that the Ynnari rules are indistinguishable from someone vomiting through a pen suggest otherwise.

 vipoid wrote:
Given the damp squib that was Phoenix Rising, I don't think these factions are missing out on much.

Dai wrote:
Having a Xenos on Xenos action box suggests that they are looking to push Ynarri big in the near future.

The fact that the Ynnari rules are indistinguishable from someone vomiting through a pen suggest otherwise.

Space Marine rules sucked until the new codex came out, didn't stop GW from focusing the narrative on them.

Dai wrote:

Karol wrote:
Assuming nothing comes out in december or in months when AoS stuff comes out, we are still looking at some armies getting their stuff in a year plus time. Who knows if w40k is even going to be a thing that far in the future.

Learn to stop worrying and love the bomb my friend.

Am not sure what loving the bomb means , I am assuming you do not mean it litterally. And am not worried one bit. It really can't get worse for me, unless GW removes GK termintor models from match play and puts them in legends.

Given the damp squib that was Phoenix Rising, I don't think these factions are missing out on much.

The lore was fun, well as long as you were not an eldar player that is.

 Ratius wrote:
Chaos Daemons

Yeah, it's not like they got a gigantic pile of models over last 2 years, including revamp of 2 whole armies, models for other 2, and assorted daemon engin-- oh wait...

 Eldarsif wrote:
GKs are in a different boat altogether. They need a revamp and I wonder if they are not on some puzzleboard being looked at. If I were a prophet I imagine they'll see an interim index entry in White Dwarf and then a release later.

It's funny how most revamp proposals of GK can be summed up as 'reprint their 5th edition book, for Emprah's sake'. I really hope whoever was responsible for the castrated state they had in last two editions got fired, you need special incompetence to delete psychic powers and special rules that kept them balanced/working against other armies, and they don't even have 'no model no rules' excuse for doing so...

I really have to get my hands on that 5th ed book, to see what it was all about. I struggle to imagine how GW made them so hated, with one book. All I can think of is strikes costing 10pts or something crazy like that.

My main armies are Tau and Necrons, so you can guess how I feel about these rumours and the treatment SM are getting.
I expect nothing more than a relic, a warlord trait, a stratagem and maybe a specialist detachment for Tau and Necrons, Certainly not models nor a new Codex.
I'd rather have low expectations and be positively surprised than be disappointed.

Irbis wrote: Yeah, it's not like they got a gigantic pile of models over last 2 years, including revamp of 2 whole armies, models for other 2, and assorted daemon engin-- oh wait...

You do realize not everyone soups and the solo Chaos Daemon codex is incredibly frustrating to play mono? Also how ALL Chaos Daemon buffs work on CSM Daemon units but no vice versa? Also fun fact - Chaos Daemon armies have no traits unless the entire detachment goes mono god, no one else trait locks them out of 70% of their unit choices in the detachment, and even when you DO get the bonus they are as follows-

All characters get the bonus and daemons need to be 6" within otherwise tough luck, no army trait!

We need actual traits, also some for going undivided so Chaos Daemons feels like an actual independent codex and not just 'Codex Troops and HQ!'

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

Irbis wrote: Yeah, it's not like they got a gigantic pile of models over last 2 years, including revamp of 2 whole armies, models for other 2, and assorted daemon engin-- oh wait...

You do realize not everyone soups and the solo Chaos Daemon codex is incredibly frustrating to play mono? Also how ALL Chaos Daemon buffs work on CSM Daemon units but no vice versa? Also fun fact - Chaos Daemon armies have no traits unless the entire detachment goes mono god, no one else trait locks them out of 75%Theorethically of their unit choices in the detachment, and even when you DO get the bonus they are as follows-

All characters get the bonus and daemons need to be 6" within otherwise tough luck, no army trait!

We need actual traits, also some for going undivided so Chaos Daemons feels like an actual independent codex and not just 'Codex Troops and HQ!'

Fixed it.

Daemons are seriously Codex:Troops only with no traits and absolutely no pluralism whatsoever. Daemons badly need some love, and all those 5x stacking buffs for free Astartes get really don't help.

Soon enough, the new SM will be crapping over even plaguebearer walls, and at that point any point of even taking Chaos daemons at all will cease to exist.

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Daemons are seriously Codex:Troops only with no traits and absolutely no pluralism whatsoever. Daemons badly need some love, and all those 5x stacking buffs for free Astartes get really don't help.

Soon enough, the new SM will be crapping over even plaguebearer walls, and at that point any point of even taking Chaos daemons at all will cease to exist.

Well, no, you will just be Codex Plaguebearerwallsoupingredient.
Tight next to Codex AlphaslaaneshobliterterminatorwithPurgeseasoning. Just like CSM.

I think Daemons are just a strange army to work around for GW. They have them in AoS, but even then they add in a lot of interrim humanoid figures/cultists to fill out the ranks. Ie. you don't really play 100% daemons in AoS either.

Of all the codexes I imagine Chaos Daemons might see the boot and consolidated into the respective army books(Emperor's Children, Death Guard, Thousand Sons). For the record it's not something "I" want, but more like something I imagine might happen.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I think Daemons are just a strange army to work around for GW. They have them in AoS, but even then they add in a lot of interrim humanoid figures/cultists to fill out the ranks. Ie. you don't really play 100% daemons in AoS either.

Of all the codexes I imagine Chaos Daemons might see the boot and consolidated into the respective army books(Emperor's Children, Death Guard, Thousand Sons). For the record it's not something "I" want, but more like something I imagine might happen.

Having just finished up a batch of tzeentch daemons I did have to stop and wonder if I wanted a thematic TS list or move onto another god but face working from the ground up with no synergies again between both halves the army. So there would be merit in that idea even if a bitter pill to swallow for some.

Fixed nothing, there is no theoretically about it, if you don't go only one god in your detachment you lose the Locus rule for the bonus. and there ISNT a baseline set of traits you get. If you take even one non Khorne unit in a otherwise 99% pure khorne detatchment you lose the Locus of Rage ability and your charging rerolls and have no trait. It's clumsy, badly balanced against every other army traits and bonuses and is also locked behind needing a supporting character nearby, it's like having chapter traits that ONLY work within 6" of your HQ's.

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

Spoiler:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

Irbis wrote: Yeah, it's not like they got a gigantic pile of models over last 2 years, including revamp of 2 whole armies, models for other 2, and assorted daemon engin-- oh wait...

You do realize not everyone soups and the solo Chaos Daemon codex is incredibly frustrating to play mono? Also how ALL Chaos Daemon buffs work on CSM Daemon units but no vice versa? Also fun fact - Chaos Daemon armies have no traits unless the entire detachment goes mono god, no one else trait locks them out of 75%Theorethically of their unit choices in the detachment, and even when you DO get the bonus they are as follows-

All characters get the bonus and daemons need to be 6" within otherwise tough luck, no army trait!

We need actual traits, also some for going undivided so Chaos Daemons feels like an actual independent codex and not just 'Codex Troops and HQ!'

Fixed it.

Fixed nothing, there is no theoretically about it, if you don't go only one god in your detachment you lose the Locus rule for the bonus. and there ISNT a baseline set of traits you get. If you take even one non Khorne unit in a otherwise 99% pure khorne detatchment you lose the Locus of Rage ability and your charging rerolls and have no trait. It's clumsy, badly balanced against every other army traits and bonuses and is also locked behind needing a supporting character nearby, it's like having chapter traits that ONLY work within 6" of your HQ's.

I was sarcastic and added the 5% due to 4 gods each equal 25% ca.
i agree with your point wholeheartedly btw.