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Hey guys, I'm looking to strip and redo my Blood Angles.

But, what I really want to do is make an army that fights under BA rules but has a mix of different chapters represented. So, I need a campaign or battle that would have had three or more chapters fighting in the same area. Where the survivors could valiantly muster a combined group to make a last stand/desperate assault.

Bonus points if it can fluffily include a Knight and some chicken walkers.

Maybe use Deathwatch rules?

 Stormonu wrote:
Maybe use Deathwatch rules?

Ive considered it nad may use the rules, but I really like my Blood Angels. I wanted it to feel like a unity forced by necessity and survival.

The suggestion was made that I go with Third War of Armageddon, which fits pretty well. It allows me to fit multiple Chapters and a Titan, but Armigers weren't around and would be hard to fit in a themed list. Im really not even sure if they are in any fluff at this point. Been out of 40K and especially the fluff game for a while.

You know what you get ruleswise when you take a handful of BA, a handful of ____, and a handful of ______ ?

1) SOUP. An army comprised of 3+ detachments of various sorts each using it's own chapter rules. Because whatever chapter they're from, they're still squads of BA, ____, & ______. They'd keep fighting as such.
2) One big blended force where the specialness of any one squad is counter-balanced (negated?) by the other guys. Result: vanilla Codex SM.
3) Something akin to the Deathwatch.

I would do #1.
But since you want non-BA using BA rules, then paint them up as BA with the original chapter shoulder pads ala DW.

As for a battle where there were multiple marine forces present? Just make something up. Because you're already making up non-cannon details anyways. AND you won't have to listen tio those who know all the cannon lore telling you about how it "really" went.

A handful of different Chapters? Easy, do Long Range Marksmen + Hungry For Battle, and count them as an Iron Hands successor. Now you covered melee, range, and vehicle based Chapters.

Ok, so your idea is a marine force that was shattered and the remaining forces unfied into a single big chapter? Marines don't really work that way they don't fold into other units, the closest I can think of was stuff that occured during the Horus heresy. If you're looking to run an army that has every unit with a differant paint scheme because you're bored of painting the same thing over and over and over, and that would be the ultramarines honor company.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ultramarines_Honour_Company

So the Devastation of Baal, so you can just run the BA rules, with BA Successors, but still have BA characters.

A bunch of really bad answers here. OP doesn't want a soup, he wants one army rules. And frankly, any sane player would be OK with being told 'they are all Blood Angels', in fact, vast majority would prefer that over cherrypicked soup nonsense with every squad being munchkinized to 11 with different trait despite not really looking different from the rest of the army.

As for different astartes serving together, there are precedents for that, actually - both shattered legions in HH, as well as that one GW armageddon force (with Black Templars and Crimson Fists serving together on long campaign, Templars painting their hands red and Fists adding black crosses to their knees to honor each other). Sure, it's rare because SM are rare in general and most of the time it's a single chapter on the battlefield, but there were lots of past examples of brotherhood forged like that. So, no problem here.

A force of several marine chapters fighting together used to be a thing, and it was called a crusading army. It might be just a small crusade, where several chapters send a few units each because they're already engaged on another front.

Really, isn't multiple Space Marine Chapters fighting together in a campaign just another day in the 41st Millennium? Seriously, look at every third campaign and it will note there were elements of Chapters X, Y, and Z involved.

If you’re looking for named battlefields, I think both Badab, Armageddon and Vigilus had mixed forces of marine chapters.

So, I'm leaning towards Badab or Fall of Cadia.

Lore wise, did Armiger's exist during those times?

Otherwise I might go with the above suggestion and just make it all up.

Badab is an awesome background, with amazing storylines, but in the story as is cannon in the Imperial Armour books, none of the loyalist forces find themselves merging in this way. Any chapter that suffered that much was just withdrawn by high command from the fighting because there were plenty of other forces to step in and take their place. Of course, in 40k everything is cannon and nothing is cannon. Whilst you'd be within your righst to use your own Badab head cannon, you'd be going against other people's head cannon to merge, say, the Fire Hawks, Marines Errant and Sons of Medusa. Though tey'd look awesome..

The only chapters who this would apply to would be Astral Claws, Lamenters and Mantis Warriors, but for those who joined together in this way, they became the Red Corsairs. Similarly, there are the Tiger Claws who were nearly destroyed and were alleged to have been absorbed into the Astral Claws, and some people use two different armour colours for these two forces, even after the purported merger.

The Devastation of Baal would be a much fluffier route to merge chapters in a more extensive way. It just depends on whether you want the anti-Tyranid shtick to apply.

I reckon your own lore somewhere on the galactic fringes would be more fun, but don't let naysayers put you off from this idea. It is a fun one, which I'd enjoy playing against no matter wich option you eventually pursue.


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Oh, and there was a very small Mechanicus involvement in the Badab War (mainly the Angstrom Incident) but the Mechanicus was not directly involved, in general. There was no mention of any Knight houses. Again, I don't think you should let that stop you if you want to run it that way, but you'd conflict with other people's ideas if you did.

When Badab was re-written in Imperial Armour, Armigers had not been released in the real world, but they certainly existed in the fluff then, even if no Knight worlds were really shown as being involved.

LegionThree wrote:
So, I'm leaning towards Badab or Fall of Cadia.

Lore wise, did Armiger's exist during those times?

Otherwise I might go with the above suggestion and just make it all up.

armangiers did yeah, they and the other knight stuff is fluffed as being pre-heresy

 alextroy wrote:
Really, isn't multiple Space Marine Chapters fighting together in a campaign just another day in the 41st Millennium? Seriously, look at every third campaign and it will note there were elements of Chapters X, Y, and Z involved.

Except each operates as their own entity, but maybe with a single overarching 'council' with one Chapter being in overall command.

Option #1
Loyalist survivors on Istvaan III. Luna Wolves, World Eaters, Emperor's Children etc. Probably best to use generic SM rules.
Option #2
Defense of Baal. Run BA rules and paint models to represent different BA successors.



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If the goal is to use BA rules but paint something a little different I've seen people use the BA codex for World Eaters and it works pretty well.

You could always do the three shattered legions from the Horus Heresy; Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard.

Try Deathwatch Blackshields where you can customize every detail in army.