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Rumours re CA19 as follows;

Drop in point for mortarion and magnus

Back to 4 pts cultists

The grot goes to 4 pts

The marine smc elites of each god pass to 2pv (*)

The discordant lord increases in point

The plaguebearers go to 8 pts.

Some ik imperial coast will see their costs in points change

A lot of tau weapons will drop in points. (*)

A lot of entry Fw will see their costs in points completely reviewed.

Rumors about the increase of the talos of 18pts. (*)

The drone shield goes to 12pts. (*)


So far. All is not confirmed yet ... some are still just rumors. (*)

If this is true I think I stand for all Orks everywhere when I say; what the actual feth are GW thinking making Grots 4ppm?! If this turns out to be true I'm done. This edition is over for me.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumours re CA19 as follows;

If this is true I think I stand for all Orks everywhere when I say; what the actual feth are GW thinking making Grots 4ppm?! If this turns out to be true I'm done. This edition is over for me.

Oh god I hope it is true.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumours re CA19 as follows;

Drop in point for mortarion and magnus

Back to 4 pts cultists

The grot goes to 4 pts

The marine smc elites of each god pass to 2pv (*)

The discordant lord increases in point

The plaguebearers go to 8 pts.

Some ik imperial coast will see their costs in points change

A lot of tau weapons will drop in points. (*)

A lot of entry Fw will see their costs in points completely reviewed.

Rumors about the increase of the talos of 18pts. (*)

The drone shield goes to 12pts. (*)


So far. All is not confirmed yet ... some are still just rumors. (*)

If this is true I think I stand for all Orks everywhere when I say; what the actual feth are GW thinking making Grots 4ppm?! If this turns out to be true I'm done. This edition is over for me.

Its to encourage players to use more boys and to nerf grot farms, I would think.
Personally I would decrease boyz to 6 ppm as well to make absolutely sure players get the hint, but whatever.

Are shield drones currently less than or more than 12pts?

Also, for those who don't read French, this

The marine smc elites of each god pass to 2pv (*)

Means that elite, Cult dedicated (Noise Marines, Berserkers, etc) Chaos Marine units have 2 wounds each.
SMC = Space Marines du Chaos = Chaos Space Marine
PV = Points Vitale = Wounds.

Any source for this or is it just wild speculation?

 Nazrak wrote:
Any source for this or is it just wild speculation?

French people. Not the guy who is always right with his rumours, but he hasn't denied the points....

Woooooow, what a huge tau nerf, to make drones 12 pts. Makes much sense when at the same time tau weapon costs decrease. A single shield drone who can reduce any amount of damage to 1 MW should cost 50.

A lot of entry Fw will see their costs in points completely reviewed.

this eaither means "we realize Bill was drunk when he did the FW points costs, we'll be reviewing these so FW tanks are actually pointed sanely" or they mean "So we're going to add a few hundred points onto the leviathan dread"

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumors about the increase of the talos of 18pts. (*)

feth, that's seriously going to hurt if it goes through.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:



Also, for those who don't read French, this

The marine smc elites of each god pass to 2pv (*)

Means that elite, Cult dedicated (Noise Marines, Berserkers, etc) Chaos Marine units have 2 wounds each.
SMC = Space Marines du Chaos = Chaos Space Marine
PV = Points Vitale = Wounds.

So, updated datasheets for cult marines. That's pretty amazing for Emperor's Children or World Eaters players as they can take cult marines as troops. Assuming they don't also get a significant points increase as well.

Gotta encourage folks to go out and buy all that old garbage stock before they drop the all new all trade marked new Emperors Children and World Eaters and change all their gear entirely like Death guard

I'm mostly joking before someone gets to bent outta shape.

I can see some SM stuff going up in points, my prime candidates for points increases are:

1. Executioner laser turret (at least 10-15pts)
2. Thunderfire Cannons (at least 5-10pts)
3. Leviathan Gun arms (can see at least 20pts here)
4. Marneus Calgar (perhaps 30ish points, as he is superior to Guilliman)
5. Iron Father Ferrios (minimum 10pts for what he brings)

Glad to see them addressing the shield drone/plaguebarer spam. Drones up 12pts is quite steep but I was hoping at least more on the plaguebarers, unless they do other nerfs (such as increasing the cost of making them have +1 invun. by unit size?) Glad to see the dicordants go up, thar thing was way to good for the points.

I can see Berzerkers/Plague Marines/Noise Marines getting a points hike if they effectively get +1 wound, but Rubrics? They seem pretty balanced if they got +1 wound for the points...

 Dr. Mills wrote:
I can see some SM stuff going up in points, my prime candidates for points increases are:

1. Executioner laser turret (at least 10-15pts)
2. Thunderfire Cannons (at least 5-10pts)
3. Leviathan Gun arms (can see at least 20pts here)
4. Marneus Calgar (perhaps 30ish points, as he is superior to Guilliman)
5. Iron Father Ferrios (minimum 10pts for what he brings)

Glad to see them addressing the shield drone/plaguebarer spam. Drones up 12pts is quite steep but I was hoping at least more on the plaguebarers, unless they do other nerfs (such as increasing the cost of making them have +1 invun. by unit size?) Glad to see the dicordants go up, thar thing was way to good for the points.

I can see Berzerkers/Plague Marines/Noise Marines getting a points hike if they effectively get +1 wound, but Rubrics? They seem pretty balanced if they got +1 wound for the points...

We're really unlikely to see Space Marines changes in CA at all, printing time is too long. CA2018 had like an eight month lead up time.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
I can see some SM stuff going up in points, my prime candidates for points increases are:

1. Executioner laser turret (at least 10-15pts)
2. Thunderfire Cannons (at least 5-10pts)
3. Leviathan Gun arms (can see at least 20pts here)
4. Marneus Calgar (perhaps 30ish points, as he is superior to Guilliman)
5. Iron Father Ferrios (minimum 10pts for what he brings)

Glad to see them addressing the shield drone/plaguebarer spam. Drones up 12pts is quite steep but I was hoping at least more on the plaguebarers, unless they do other nerfs (such as increasing the cost of making them have +1 invun. by unit size?) Glad to see the dicordants go up, thar thing was way to good for the points.

I can see Berzerkers/Plague Marines/Noise Marines getting a points hike if they effectively get +1 wound, but Rubrics? They seem pretty balanced if they got +1 wound for the points...

Why would feirros go up? He doesn't do anything post FAQ. Most IH players dropped him from their lists unless they ran a bunch of infantry (not many do)

More of the W2 Cult Marines rumors aren't being denied. Not terrible but without A2 I'm not gonna bring Rubrics or Plagues anytime soon.

Berserkers though is a whole other story.

2W Zerkers sound really scary! I assume they will still fit 10 mans in their rhinos!

All space marines and equivalent elite infantry should be 2W base anyway like how Stormcast and Chaos warriors are 2W in Age of Sigmar.

It makes them feel much more elite, when ever I play 40k at the moment a regular space marine feels barely better than a guardsman. The 2 wounds for cult marines is a good move for GW, hopefully it will make them viable.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Any source for this or is it just wild speculation?

French people. Not the guy who is always right with his rumours, but he hasn't denied the points....

French guys only found those "rumours" somewhere on the internet (in English first) ... Dakkadakka in fact. They just took seriously the ridiculous topic on the General board about Cult CSM getting 2 Wounds ...

Also the french rumour monger went kinda crazy because his "leaks" reached the international community and dakkadakka. Too much publicity and he didn't like it at all so for now, he is not saying anything anymore ...

It's only wild speculations. We don't even have a source for all the Xeno stuff !

EDIT :

Here's one of the source for the Chaos part :



So yes, only speculations and expectations. Nothing more.

Damn.. no rumours for CWE tweak? I'm still holding out hope for: Rangers being able to Infiltrate properly & Point drops to EVERYTHING apart from WS, and hiking CHE points lol.

Just a small modest wishlist….

Selfcontrol wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Any source for this or is it just wild speculation?

French people. Not the guy who is always right with his rumours, but he hasn't denied the points....

French guys only found those "rumours" somewhere on the internet (in English first) ... Dakkadakka in fact. They just took seriously the ridiculous topic on the General board about Cult CSM getting 2 Wounds ...

Also the french rumour monger went kinda crazy because his "leaks" reached the international community and dakkadakka. Too much publicity and he didn't like it at all so for now, he is not saying anything anymore ...

It's only wild speculations. We don't even have a source for all the Xeno stuff !

EDIT :

Here's one of the source for the Chaos part :

Spoiler:

So yes, only speculations and expectations. Nothing more.

That picture is from me, on my Facebook page. Some jackass cropped out my page name and there spread it all over Discord and other places without attribution. I took the rumors based on what I had heard or read second-hand from those who had spoken with people who know what changes are coming. I can't confirm any of it directly.

All that said, the stuff from the French forum (which I haven't seen) looks somewhat different from what I posted. I hadn't heard anything about Magnus or Mortarion or grots.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Its to encourage players to use more boys and to nerf grot farms, I would think.
Personally I would decrease boyz to 6 ppm as well to make absolutely sure players get the hint, but whatever.

Ah so you admit you care nothing for game balance. Check.

 Argive wrote:
Damn.. no rumours for CWE tweak? I'm still holding out hope for: Rangers being able to Infiltrate properly & Point drops to EVERYTHING apart from WS, and hiking CHE points lol.

Just a small modest wishlist….

So our 6 months per decade of CWE not being the best army in the game would be over huh?


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tneva82 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Its to encourage players to use more boys and to nerf grot farms, I would think.
Personally I would decrease boyz to 6 ppm as well to make absolutely sure players get the hint, but whatever.

Ah so you admit you care nothing for game balance. Check.

Ah, so you admit you care about nothing but meaningless whining. Check.


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 Rydria wrote:
All space marines and equivalent elite infantry should be 2W base anyway like how Stormcast and Chaos warriors are 2W in Age of Sigmar.

It makes them feel much more elite, when ever I play 40k at the moment a regular space marine feels barely better than a guardsman. The 2 wounds for cult marines is a good move for GW, hopefully it will make them viable.

2 wounds isn't elite in Sigmar.

ERJAK wrote:

Ah, so you admit you care about nothing but meaningless whining. Check..

Ah so another who has no idea whatsoever about game balance. But okay go ahead. Try and explain how 6 pts boyz and 4 pts grots are appropriate. As it is now grots are only barely better survivability wise vs S4+, less advantage vs S3, lose cultures, have lousy morale(so makes that survivability advantage even less), no offensive...

Anybody who thinks grots should be 4 pts is a joke as a game designer. And if boyz go to 6 pts that's even more of a joke as internal balance as grots would literally just die.

But go ahead. Try to defend that. Make yourself a clown if you wish

tneva82 wrote:


Anybody who thinks grots should be 4 pts is a joke as a game designer. And if boyz go to 6 pts that's even more of a joke as internal balance as grots would literally just die.

isnt that what grots are supposed to do?

I'm not sure if these points are good/bad/indifferent but I'm curious as to what would you suggest?

Personally one thing I'm hoping for is that DA/BA/SW get their points adjusted to match Codex Marines (things like 12 ppm Tacticals, etc.).

I hear the new Chapter Approved will also have revised rules for the upcoming plastic Thunderhawk.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
I hear the new Chapter Approved will also have revised rules for the upcoming plastic Thunderhawk.

.. you might wanna be extra clear if you're joking, given the pre-order for plastic sisters is up saturday we're offically in "IT COULD BE ANYTHING NEXT!" territory

Sunny Side Up wrote:
I hear the new Chapter Approved will also have revised rules for the upcoming plastic Thunderhawk.

Along with the Beta for Codex:Adeptus Rotundus...

Racerguy180 wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
I hear the new Chapter Approved will also have revised rules for the upcoming plastic Thunderhawk.

Along with the Beta for Codex:Adeptus Rotundus...

they've renamed squats then?

Selfcontrol wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Any source for this or is it just wild speculation?

French people. Not the guy who is always right with his rumours, but he hasn't denied the points....

French guys only found those "rumours" somewhere on the internet (in English first) ... Dakkadakka in fact. They just took seriously the ridiculous topic on the General board about Cult CSM getting 2 Wounds ...

Where did you find this information? It neither says it in the topic or is referred anywhere else on the French forum as far as I can see.

As for Kikass, he became annoyed because Valrak mentioned him by name in a video (which i understand) but at the end of the day it's incredibly petty to want to keep rumours only for your own nationality. If you don't want other people to find them, don't post them on the internet I guess.

E - as to the naysayers, there's often no smoke without fire. The rumours might be false but the French forum has so far proven a source of 100% perfect rumours.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Selfcontrol wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Any source for this or is it just wild speculation?

French people. Not the guy who is always right with his rumours, but he hasn't denied the points....

French guys only found those "rumours" somewhere on the internet (in English first) ... Dakkadakka in fact. They just took seriously the ridiculous topic on the General board about Cult CSM getting 2 Wounds ...

Where did you find this information? It neither says it in the topic or is referred anywhere else on the French forum as far as I can see.

As for Kikass, he became annoyed because Valrak mentioned him by name in a video (which i understand) but at the end of the day it's incredibly petty to want to keep rumours only for your own nationality. If you don't want other people to find them, don't post them on the internet I guess.

E - as to the naysayers, there's often no smoke without fire. The rumours might be false but the French forum has so far proven a source of 100% perfect rumours.

I think it wasn't so much wanting to preserve them only for his nationality, as figured that so long as the rumors where on a french site GW'd not notice. The assumption that there are no biligual people out there and you can say something to french speakers without worrying that the Anglophones will know what your saying has tripped up LOTS of people in the past who should know better.