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And so, if the ALL Skaven Empire united (as in their war with Nagash) and attacked Lustria, could they have won? If:
1) No falling moon
2) All slanns are awake and ready to defend their lands

Interesting post. A few clarifying questions:

1. When you say áll slaans', are we including first generation Slaan (who are now all dead)? Cause those mofos could move *continents*.

2. At what point in the timeline is this battle taking place? The further back in time we go, the stronger the Lizardmen as a faction are; conversely, the further forward in time we go, the stronger Skaven grow.

As falling moon was mentioned this is End Times.

End Times is full of fiat because its a wrap up, so things occur according to plot, reasonable or not.

In general though the Skaven were well placed to defeat the Lizardmen eventually as the power of plagues is an awesome trump. The lizardmen are also dwindling, more so than most races who have more or less stabilised their situation. Even the dawi stopped losing territory. The lizardmen alone are currently losing territory in the flat WHFB setting.
When you add to that the Lizardmen are facing many other threats, wheras he Skaven do not care how many fronts they fight on as there will always be enough rats to match. Overstretch will occur, either for Old World gold hunting expeditions, Druchii raids or chaos. The great plan is fractured, many of the plaques detailing important prophesy that are required to preload rituals to counter threats are gone, and the Lizardmen are not adapt to on the fly prophesy like the Asur are.
They will be die hards but they are dying.

Well given the trouble the Lizardmen had with just Clan Pestilens I imagine all the other clans joining in would have been the end of the Slann and Lizardmen.

However, in the event of being completely overrun, we just don't know what Deus Ex Machina the Slann would be able to pull out to protect themselves. I can't imagine most of the remaining 2nd Generation Slann would be stuck asleep in the event they were to be overwhelmed by rats.

If anything though, they may have decided to nope out early in their Old Ones ships if it came to that. The only remaining Lizardmen probably being the ones in the underwater city of Chupayotl.

Knowing the Skaven, they would probably develop some submarine to end that one too.

The Skaven are clearly more powerful than the Lizardmen (one clan almost wiped them out), but it becomes harder to answer given OP premises. You are denying the Skaven their ultimate doomsday weapon, but are giving the Lizardmen their full fighting force. These are still two of the more inconsistently powered factions, so it comes down to what world-shattering power *all* the Slann can pull together in their entirety vs the Skaven's ability to survive through anything. imo, anything short of a world-ending tier spell will see the Skaven win through attrition alone.

If you united the Skaven under a single banner as a whole race they'd likely beat almost any army in the Old World with the possible exception of taking the Chaos Wastes themselves (then again based on the events in one of the Gotrek and Felix novels an army of Skaven invading the Chaos wastes would all end up with every rat being a supersmart rat-ogre monster so that would be a lot for chaos to contend with.)


Skaven have magic and technology in abundance on their side as well as numbers and the capacity to replace those numbers at a very fast rate even during times of war. Their primary weakness is infighting. If Skaven didn't infight ALL the time they'd overwhelm far more than they do. Again we can look at the Gotrek and Felix books where Skaven could have taken over Nuln and yet failed.


If you give Skaven even a small window of unity then they'd overrrun the lizardmen without a question. The real question would be the Slaan reaction.

Slaan are insanely powerful mages, however they might not attempt to win the same way we might. They could hide away some of the lizardmen and start afresh, hiding themselves to rebuild. Or they could unleash cataclysmic magic with a united front to cripple the Skaven. Or even do both.



Lets not forget Skaven did make a nuclear bomb at one stage in the Old World. Of course Skaven tech has as much chance of backfiring as it does working, so who knows. The whole invasion could be scuppered when their super warship that's carrying them over the seas springs a leak half way!