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So,
Can orks drop within 9" of a phobos captain? Da jump isn't excatly deep strike.

Can I use the auspex scan stratagem on a ork unit which drops within 12" with da jump?

Thanks.

Xirax wrote:
So,
Can orks drop within 9" of a phobos captain? Da jump isn't excatly deep strike.

Can I use the auspex scan stratagem on a ork unit which drops within 12" with da jump?

Thanks.

No

Yes

Thanks.

I got TFG:d last weekend with me dropping a da jumping big mek in mega armour with my stalker intercessor.

Related question, auspex scan lets them shoot stuff coming out of a valkyrie or other or transport? Cause that would be very important for me to know before it happened.

Dukeofstuff wrote:
Related question, auspex scan lets them shoot stuff coming out of a valkyrie or other or transport? Cause that would be very important for me to know before it happened.

No. While the unit is indeed "set up" on the battlefield, it is not being set up as reinforcements, and so Auspex Scan does not apply. (EDIT: both conditions must be met as per the Auspex Scan stratagem)

I think I saw a conversation implying that you can only shoot the drop pod, not the contents disembarking, but hopefully someone has a valid answer.

Xirax wrote:
I think I saw a conversation implying that you can only shoot the drop pod, not the contents disembarking, but hopefully someone has a valid answer.

Thats because the drop pod is entering as reinforcements. The units inside are disembarking. The latter does not satisfy the auspex scan requirements.

Xirax wrote:
I think I saw a conversation implying that you can only shoot the drop pod, not the contents disembarking, but hopefully someone has a valid answer.

In this situation the reason you can't shoot the occupants is because of the FAQ for Space Marines. The occupants are also arriving from reinforcements, so normally would be eligible, but GW says that no, your opportunity to shoot with Auspex Scan comes before the unit disembarks, and so in that case you can only shoot the Drop Pod.

 Yarium wrote:
In this situation the reason you can't shoot the occupants is because of the FAQ for Space Marines. The occupants are also arriving from reinforcements, so normally would be eligible, but GW says that no, your opportunity to shoot with Auspex Scan comes before the unit disembarks, and so in that case you can only shoot the Drop Pod.

No the reason they faqed it is because some peaple (clearly) did not understand that the transport is in deepstrike and not the unit inside of the transport is not, as they are in a transport and not in reserve...

If you actually read the rules its obvious ^,^

You can't DS a pod 12" away from phobos captain and disembark the contents within 9"? Just checking, would be super stupid

Xirax wrote:
You can't DS a pod 12" away from phobos captain and disembark the contents within 9"? Just checking, would be super stupid

You cant. The disembarking unit must be set up more than 9" away from enemy models.

I mean disembark between 9-12" next to a phobos captain.

But the disembarking unit can come w/in 12" of the captain (at least that's the way I understand it). It just has to stay outside of 9" (because of the unique drop pod rule as opposed to a blanket cannot disembark w/in 9" of a unit)

bananathug wrote:
But the disembarking unit can come w/in 12" of the captain (at least that's the way I understand it). It just has to stay outside of 9" (because of the unique drop pod rule as opposed to a blanket cannot disembark w/in 9" of a unit)

This is correct.

Sterling191 wrote:

bananathug wrote:
But the disembarking unit can come w/in 12" of the captain (at least that's the way I understand it). It just has to stay outside of 9" (because of the unique drop pod rule as opposed to a blanket cannot disembark w/in 9" of a unit)

This is correct.

Agreed.

So space marines can charge infiltrators, phobos captains with drop pod. Wonder if RAI. Blob of DC with UWoF'd Lemartes with +2" charge and rerolls. Interesting.

Xirax wrote:
So space marines can charge infiltrators, phobos captains with drop pod. Wonder if RAI. Blob of DC with UWoF'd Lemartes with +2" charge and rerolls. Interesting.

Nope. UWoF doesn’t have the capacity to bypass the scrambler, and can’t legally declare a charge because they start outside 12 inches.

Yes, but the reroll/charge bonus aura works from 12" for the unit within 9" and if you drop between opened drop pod doors, those doors are closer so your opponent needs to shoot the drop pod first and you have a good chance getting your dc/van vets in melee. This conversation is more about how to charge from deepstrike against a phobos cpt/inflitrators prototected gunline. With pile in and consolidate you should be able to tie things up into melee and deny shooting. Yes, very occasional and drop pods aren't for comp lists, but atleast in casual games you could suprise your enemy .

But the DC can charge out of the DSing pod (with only a +2 to charge and re-rolls because +2 litany doesn't stack with anything, sorry BA special rules because GW...)

GW, game interaction A (first turn melee charges) is bad, let's remove it from the game.
Also GW, buy our new supplement(s) to get game interaction A (T1 charges), or use a combo of abilities that we didn't play test or even look at twice...

Well rerollable 7" charge. I'd take it. With another relic you can choose which die(s) you reroll.

OP:

Q: What rules apply to units that are removed from the battlefield after deployment (via abilities, Stratagems or psychic powers), and are then set back up again on the battlefield?
A: If a rule or ability causes a unit to be removed from the battlefield and subsequently set back up, the following rules apply to that unit:

1. Any rules that are triggered by or apply to units that are ‘set up on the battlefield as reinforcements’ are also triggered by and apply to that unit when it is set up on the battlefield.
2. Models in that unit count as having moved a distance equal to their Move characteristic that turn (and so suffer the penalty to their hit rolls for moving and firing Heavy weapons). If the unit has a minimum Move characteristic, it counts as having moved its maximum Move characteristic.
3. Models in that unit cannot move again during that turn for any reason, other than to make a charge move, to pile in, or to consolidate.
4. If that unit was within 1" of an enemy unit when it was removed, it does not count as having Fallen Back when it is set back up on the battlefield.
5. If that unit has Advanced during this turn, it still counts as having Advanced after it has been set back up on the battlefield.
6. Any destroyed models in that unit when it is removed are still destroyed when their unit is set back up on the battlefield. If they were destroyed during this turn, they still count towards any Morale tests taken for that unit this turn.
7. Any models in that unit that have lost any wounds do not regain those wounds when they are removed, and will still have lost them when their unit is set back up on
the battlefield.
8. Any rules that unit was being affected by when it was removed, and which would continue to affect it for a specific duration (from abilities, Stratagems, psychic powers, etc.), continue to affect that unit until such a point as they would normally have no longer applied. For example, a unit that was within range of an aura ability when it was removed would no longer be affected by that ability if it was set up outside of that aura’s range, whereas a unit that was being affected by a psychic power that lasted until the end of that turn would still be affected by it until the end of that turn

page 9 of the current rulebook faq

Wait: so we all agree that we can disembark a unit within 12"-9,1" of an infiltrator unit as long as the drop pod itself is at 12" ?

Well, I agree that the drop pod had to be 12" away from the scrambler, while a unit inside it could disembark 9" away from the scrambler. Disembark is not setting as a reinforcement.

 Spreelock wrote:
Well, I agree that the drop pod had to be 12" away from the scrambler, while a unit inside it could disembark 9" away from the scrambler. Disembark is not setting as a reinforcement.

Yes exactly that what I meant. I'm going to edit my message for it to be more clear.
But this is legal and legit then ?

Yes. The rules for Inflitrators does not prevent a unit from disembarking close to it and a unit disembarking from a Drop Pod is not Reinforcements.

 alextroy wrote:
Yes. The rules for Inflitrators does not prevent a unit from disembarking close to it and a unit disembarking from a Drop Pod is not Reinforcements.

Citation please.


A unit that disembarks is set up, and units which are set up fit the reinforcements description.

Transports
Disembark: Any unit that begins its Movement phase embarked within a transport can disembark before the transport moves. When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield.....

Reinforcements
Many units have the ability to be set up on the battlefield mid-turn, sometimes by using teleporters, grav chutes or other, more esoteric means. Typically, this happens at the end of the Movement phase, but it can also happen during other phases.

 p5freak wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Yes. The rules for Inflitrators does not prevent a unit from disembarking close to it and a unit disembarking from a Drop Pod is not Reinforcements.

Citation please.


A unit that disembarks is set up, and units which are set up fit the reinforcements description.

Reinforcements
Many units have the ability to be set up on the battlefield mid-turn, sometimes by using teleporters, grav chutes or other, more esoteric means. Typically, this happens at the end of the Movement phase, but it can also happen during other phases.

Any unit that is Reinforcements is "set up." Not all units that are "set up" are reinforcements. It's like squares and rectangles.

 Octopoid wrote:

Any unit that is Reinforcements is "set up." Not all units that are "set up" are reinforcements. It's like squares and rectangles.

Citation please.

 p5freak wrote:

 Octopoid wrote:

Any unit that is Reinforcements is "set up." Not all units that are "set up" are reinforcements. It's like squares and rectangles.

Citation please.

It's difficult to prove a negative. Can you cite where disembarking from a vehicle counts as arriving as reinforcements? Your previous citation lacks that.

 p5freak wrote:

Citation please.

The BRB defines Reinforcements thusly:

Many units have the ability to be set up on the battlefield mid-turn, sometimes by using teleporters, grav chutes or other, more esoteric means. Typically, this happens at the end of the Movement phase, but it can also happen during other phases. Units that are set up in this manner cannot move or Advance further during the turn they arrive – their entire Movement phase is used in deploying to the battlefield – but they can otherwise act normally (shoot, charge, etc.) for the rest of their turn. Units that arrive as reinforcements count as having moved in their Movement phase for all rules purposes, such as shooting Heavy weapons. Any unit that has not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the battle counts as having been destroyed.

The BRB rules for disembarking are as follows:

Disembark: Any unit that begins its Movement phase embarked within a transport can disembark before the transport moves. When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.

Units that disembark can then act normally (move, shoot, charge, fight, etc.) during the remainder of their turn. Note though, that even if you don’t move disembarking units further in your Movement phase, they still count as having moved for any rules purposes, such as shooting Heavy weapons.

They are in separate sections, and disembarking units are functionally different from units being set up as reinforcements. Therefore, they are not reinforcements.