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Ah the poor guard.

The plastic Catachans are now old enough to drink in the United States, the Plastic Cadians not far behind. The revised and refreshed Chimera and Leman Russ are over 10 years old, and the Basilisk... the Basilisk has had time to graduate from Med School.

So clearly something has to happen with the Guard soon. And giving it a more Latiny sounding name ain't it.

IF I HAD TO GUESS, I would point to how, decades after introducing them, GW gave rules to the various IG regiments.

And then took all the metals all out of production

(which if you're keeping score were 26 years old)

So I wonder, looking at the wealth of Necromunda plastics, could plastic regiments finally be in the cards? GW has to worry about the number of historical and SF models that can fill in for the guard so reverting to long-established looks like the Mordians, Tallarn and Vostroyans would help counteract that.

Looking again at how much is packed into a Necromunda gang a plastic regiment made today could (FINALLY!) have all 5 special weapons and maybe a heavy weapon or two. Maybe an officer head to eliminate the need for a command squad box.

They could also build into each set an alternate vet build for each regiment. So the Cadians might keep the existing 3x special weapon vets, the Catachans get their Catahan Devil infiltrators back, and others get some sort of suitable unit - Steel Legion Trench Raiders, Mordian duelists, Tallarn Raiders and so on.

Another way would be to make them like the easy build Cadians, since honestly an individual guardsman doesn't need all that much customization. And then pack 20 in a box like they used to be! (Note this will never happen).

Or maybe do 20 monopose conscripts in generic fatigues. If they were monopose GW could put in different genders and body types making them look more like a civilian rabble/rear echelon reserves than fit front line fighters.

Anyway this is an idea that's been bouncing around my head for a while and who knows, maybe? It's been so long since the last guard release (the underwhelming Taurox, Scions and Bullgryns 8 or so years ago) that I feel like something must be in the offering soon.

Maybe that 3-way Thunderbolt/Lighting/Avenger kit I've dreamed off...

In the meantime I guess Wargames Atlantic and Medge will have to do.

I think demand remains strong for gothic greatcoat IG, we'll see if GW ever picks up on that.

I'm not quite sure what to expect in terms of new models, but if they're anything like most of the recent(lol) IG additions, they'll probably do something an existing unit already does (which will be correspondingly made less capable or even dropped, e.g. Chimera, Griffon) or a replacement for something that's slipped off the main model line.

As far as new unit ideas I'd like to see, I've always liked the idea of a dirt-biker unit (perhaps motor bikes and cavalry able to be used as Rough Riders from different worlds). A command vehicle option that isn't a Russ would be cool, Salamander HQ or perhaps a new Chimera variant.

With respect to rules, I'm hesitant to even speculate at this point, the game is edging into 7E levels of absurdity with faction/detachment/stratagem bonuses and abilities, so the sky's the limit.

WRT rules, if plastic tenets happen I would expect recent dexes as well.

The Catachams could get an infiltrating melee army, Steel Legion an all transport list, Vostroyans MC weapons and Carapace etc...

Even if not every regiment got a dex GW could easily.do a light infantry dex for Catachans, Tallarn and Tanith, them a heavy Inframtry on for Kasrkin, Stell Legion and Voatryans. They play differently enough to make it worthwhile.

Greatcoat Guard or a rehash of DKOK in a similar style will do incredibly well

My IG Wishlist is to see the non-armageddon pattern [the open topped one that looks like a regular basilisk] Medusa Siege Gun, Griffon Mortar, and Colossus Bombard come as a new multi-model kit as a refresh of the Basilisk.

Medusa, Basilisk, and Griffon shouldn't be hard, since a Medusa is basically a barrel and gun shield swap, and the Griffon doesn't need a whole lot more.

If they were to do so, I'd like to see more crewmen for the guns to stand on the back platform.

NurglesR0T wrote:Greatcoat Guard or a rehash of DKOK in a similar style will do incredibly well

If they did valhallans, with Ushanka hats, that would make me do what the Sisters release didn't and make me buy up a duplicate army of one I already have. Especially if they made diverse ones. Even if they made a diverse Cadian box, I'd buy a bunch.

My dream infantry box would have:
5 male, 5 female models [and yes, I believe in forcing the mixed units and not having all-male and all-female boxed, it's important to normalize the idea of complete equality in the military, having separate female units makes them special instead of mundane]
3 of each special weapon. The Sisters of Battle box has opened a new possibility by not just having one of each, but having the maximum number of each the box's possible units could build, and I want that for Guard too.
Decoration bits for Forward Sentries, Grenadiers, and Demolitions.
Lasgun for the Sergeant!
Kit Bags! Especially with E-tools.
And I think you could achieve both greadcoated and non-greatcoated looks with a single torso and arms option and just leg swaps, so 20 legs, half with pants half with long coats.
Enough heads for whatever. Cadian modern-esque helmets? WWII helmets? Caps? Berets? Fur hats? Headscarves? Gas masks & stahlhelms? Plinth helments? Got it all.



That said, I have little to speculate about the Guard in psychic awakening.
I think there'll be no new units, and maybe at best one new character model. If there was going to be new units, they would have teased it already given that they've already previewed the AdMech new releases for Engine War which will be after Greater Good. We probably won't even get a character, since Shadowsun is already teased as the book's new hero model, and despite being IMPERIUM we're the bad guys.

We'll probably get "make your own Regiment" rules like the Eldar and the Tyranids, but it'll probably lock off stratagems, relics, and orders to do so like it does for non-space marine custom factions. We're not Space Marine enough for the diversity of Guard Regiments of different types from billions of worlds with completely different model lines at one point in time for our subfactions to be considered to have different enough fighting styles and heritage to get material even as far as Chaos does in F&F, much less go all the way to supplements that can be stacked with Make Your Own Regiment for power combos like the Space Marines.

We'll also probably see a few new stratagems, probably just making the Vigilus book obsolete though. Possibly a Sacred Rites/Tides of the Warp-esque function to pick if we're monoguard. And I think that's about it for speculation. I think I'm about as dissappointed that we have been announced for the Greater Good book as the Death Guard players are that we are.

Oh oh, one more thing! We might also see a Brood Brothers option for Tau too, but definitely no option to switch IMPERIUM for CHAOS.



Guard is kind of a "Complete" product line, like the Space Marines, where the entire line is in plastic [albeit aging], and there's stuff for basically every slot and function. Unlike the Space Marines, there's nobody on the table to give Guard more things we don't need because it'd be cool, so we won't get any new things.

But, there's so much wishlisting to do, none of it to come true :(.

If there aren't new astra telepathica units for guard as PA, I think GW misnamed the campaign.

Seeing the new admech cyberhorses made me think rough riders.

Always like Tallarn- just the look of them. I used to use them for Necromunda Ash Nomads back in the days of Citadel Journal...

Another flier?

Well, GW doesn't like doing "cheap monopose" for much anymore. The hopes of a 20 man cheap conscript box are sadly the first step on the road to disappointment. Same goes for anything else that has the words "cheap" or "simple". GW's made it pretty clear that unless we get some sort of starter set box like Shadowspear, we're going to get fancy multipart kits and like it.

Most likely what we're going to see is a box of 10 guardsmen for about 40 bucks. Odds are lasguns, special weapons, some sort of new special weapon we can only get there, and some bonus bits to make sergeants or vets, like shotguns. No way we'll get heavy weapons, the weapons are just too big to cram on the sprue. We could see a new weapon like a heavy stubber or heavy flamer though that could be carried by a single guardsmen, but that's about it in the main infantry box. We can take autoguns on vets, so who knows maybe that would be an option too. The heavy weapon kits aren't terrible, same for command boxes, so unless they come out with new regiments in plastic I don't think we'll see them rehashed. That said all the Catachan boxes, including the fairly decent command and HWS boxes, are online only, so who knows.

If we get a new regiment, my money would be on a regiment that is distinctly 40k and hard to convert, namely Vostroyans. They're very 40k, don't have a historical equivalent, and are well liked by the community. Steel Legion is a possibility due to being a classic line and also being a very well liked regiment. As much of a fan as I am of Valhallans, Mordians, and Praetorians, they're easily made from historical kits, and so are not as likely (everyone that wants them has already converted them in GW's eyes) As for Tallarn, they're cool, but I don't see them being the next poster child, even if they were a major component of the Indomitus Crusade. I would hope Cadians are no longer the poster boy regiment, their planet is gone and they're rebuilding, they're not really in a place to be the poster child of the galaxy anymore. Give that to another regiment shouldering that burden like the Catachans or Vostroyans. I don't think we'll see a brand new regiment pop up out of thin air, since we already have a wide variety of regiments in the book, may as well get those lines off the ground.

As for other stuff? The Leman Russ and Chimera kits are perfectly fine, no issues with them aside from not throwing the tank accessory sprue in. The basilisk definitely needs an update, I would combo it with a Medusa or Griffon, although odds are they'll make a new weapon. Could be cool to see a Tank Destroyer based on it's chassis or something. Rough Riders or Ratlings finally being in plastic with an alternate option would be great to see, Rough Riders could be an assault or shooting scout unit for example, since GW is obsessed with dual kits. Other than that, any new kit will probably rehash an old one, and most guard kits are servicable, if not that exciting. I mean what really needs updating besides the basilisk? Sentinel is old but decent, same with Hellhound, Leman Russes, Chimera, Deathstrike/Manticore, etc. Anything else they'll have to make a new kit for. I just pray they keep it in the theme of guard and don't let Cawl get his grubby mitts on it. It better have treads, wheels, or some bigass jet turbines and fly. No grav vehicles, no fancy combat mechs, no weird primaris lite power armor, just basic equipment. Maybe we finally get a towed artillery piece, or a proper Veterans kit, or convert some FW stuff like the Vulture or Avenger that could be done fairly easy in plastic.

But yeah that's about all the theories I have. Sadly it seems like any guard update is a long ways off. I want to hold out hope that one Rumor Engine picture is guard but the more they post without anything else "guard like", the more I'm starting to feel we're getting a character at most and that's it, if that.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

As for other stuff? The Leman Russ and Chimera kits are perfectly fine, no issues with them aside from not throwing the tank accessory sprue in. The basilisk definitely needs an update, I would combo it with a Medusa or Griffon, although odds are they'll make a new weapon. Could be cool to see a Tank Destroyer based on it's chassis or something.

Since you mentioned it, a SU-76 style tank destroyer, sharing with a basilisk would be pretty cool.

A SU-100/Jagdpanther looking thing on a Chimera hull as a completely new model would also be awesome.

IG aint gonna get anything. "Only one new character per psychic awakening!"


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That is, unless of course you can convince GW that imperial guardsmen are marines

I expect GW legal and marketing to push IG into a trademarked box that loses the old attraction to IG - it was intuitively normal military but extra much so - and gains new "fluff" that makes IG unlikeable - alien race troops like kroot, new Cawltech rifles and beacon helmets, special overseer mech devices for morale control... junk color to push plastic at the expense of tradition like the rest of the GW fluff marketng IP protecting business model and its products in for example Psychic Awakening

 Eonfuzz wrote:
IG aint gonna get anything. "Only one new character per psychic awakening!"


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That is, unless of course you can convince GW that imperial guardsmen are marines

Yeah because only Marines are getting anything new for Psykic Awakening...





I mean... I guess they look like Marines if you're really really drunk

 jeff white wrote:
I expect GW legal and marketing to push IG into a trademarked box that loses the old attraction to IG - it was intuitively normal military but extra much so - and gains new "fluff" that makes IG unlikeable - alien race troops like kroot, new Cawltech rifles and beacon helmets, special overseer mech devices for morale control... junk color to push plastic at the expense of tradition like the rest of the GW fluff marketng IP protecting business model and its products in for example Psychic Awakening

Soooooo. How do howling banshees fit that? Or Incubi? Look pretty similar to what they were before to me.

I don't know what is realistic, but what I would love to see is for rough riders to make a big return. I am thinking something parallel to the militarum tempestus. I am thinking models and rules for the standard rough riders, plus another unit (a command squad maybe) that is designed around having special weapons and being shooty. Throw in a commander type with some rough rider specific commands. While we are at it, throw in maybe a horse riding aura character. Finally, combine this with a regiment specific character which comes with a launch of new plastic models for that regiment. I'm asking for a lot, but it would certainly get me to spend some money.

tneva82 wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I expect GW legal and marketing to push IG into a trademarked box that loses the old attraction to IG - it was intuitively normal military but extra much so - and gains new "fluff" that makes IG unlikeable - alien race troops like kroot, new Cawltech rifles and beacon helmets, special overseer mech devices for morale control... junk color to push plastic at the expense of tradition like the rest of the GW fluff marketng IP protecting business model and its products in for example Psychic Awakening

Soooooo. How do howling banshees fit that? Or Incubi? Look pretty similar to what they were before to me.

it doesn't. and even primaris Marines (his comment is a passive agressive swipe agaisnt them) mostly draw from old Space Marine concept art etc. they're hardly "unreckongizable"

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I expect GW legal and marketing to push IG into a trademarked box that loses the old attraction to IG - it was intuitively normal military but extra much so - and gains new "fluff" that makes IG unlikeable - alien race troops like kroot, new Cawltech rifles and beacon helmets, special overseer mech devices for morale control... junk color to push plastic at the expense of tradition like the rest of the GW fluff marketng IP protecting business model and its products in for example Psychic Awakening

Soooooo. How do howling banshees fit that? Or Incubi? Look pretty similar to what they were before to me.

it doesn't. and even primaris Marines (his comment is a passive agressive swipe agaisnt them) mostly draw from old Space Marine concept art etc. they're hardly "unreckongizable"

Frankly his point about primaris is atleast partially true.

That said Astra militarum has allready been on that trip for some time.

However i think we will not see something entirely new , considering the bsf traitor guard are in essence, Sans spikes , refined cadians.
Also in regards to the demand of female models, if you have ever Seen a women in combat garb you would know that there is virtually no difference between them and their male counterparts discernable. The most important thing would be the faces and i think we all can agree that the cadian Face hasn't aged particullary well.

I think if I was going to do a mxied gender guard army I'd just take some of my sisters heads and plunk them on a cadian model

I hope a bit that they think up SOMETHING to make Wyrdvane Psykers worth taking. I have no specific idea, but it would be nice to give them some kind of tactical use.

I'm wishing for some basic regimental troops, that will get plastic parts. Yes, even before any fancy new artillery stuff or mixed gender figures. One problem for releasing such a wide range of models is that they are hard to maintain at stores..

But! They could easily release a 'platoon'-style boxed set for each regiments (valhallan, mordian etc); each including one command squad, one heavy weapon squad (of three teams) and two infantry squads (10 models each, with all of the special weapon options). What do you guys think of that?

Personally, I'd love a "Regiments and Auxilia" Supplement (or something suitably named) in the style of the SM ones, but all rolled into one book. Give us a new Order, Stratagem, Warlord Trait for each of the existing regiments, plus a couple special characters for those that don't already have them. And add on one or two new regiments (or just rules for ones that already exist but have none, Praetorians for example). Maybe even some new elite units/upgrades (Kasrkin, Catachan Devils or whatever) to add a bit of flavor to the Veteran squad option.

And most definitely a new boxed set or two of multipart figures that can easily represent most if not all of the regiments available. A 'greatcoat box' for Valhalla, Vostroya, Armageddon and a new regiment, plus a regular box for Cadia, Tallarn, Mordia, also plus a new regiment.

And yes, I am dreaming a little there

I'd like a plastic Vulture. Please. Thanks.

 Spreelock wrote:
I'm wishing for some basic regimental troops, that will get plastic parts. Yes, even before any fancy new artillery stuff or mixed gender figures. One problem for releasing such a wide range of models is that they are hard to maintain at stores..

But! They could easily release a 'platoon'-style boxed set for each regiments (valhallan, mordian etc); each including one command squad, one heavy weapon squad (of three teams) and two infantry squads (10 models each, with all of the special weapon options). What do you guys think of that?

I don't think it's actually that hard to have one box cover all the regiments.

Greatcoats vs. Pants is a leg swap. Upper body doesn't need changing.
The rest is basically just heads.

The only one that's appreciably different is shirtless Catachans.

I want them to go deeper into the scifi armor. I like cadians and I like the tempestus scions. but give me something armored something akin to the arbites enforcer partol armor from necromunda not space marine level of crazy big armor but actual decent lookgin carapace stuff... also bring back caraspace as an option

The funniest part is that the Palantine Enforcers(not Arbites. They're not Arbites! They're specifically not Arbites, as Helmawr somehow finnagled that) are wearing Flak Armor.

Worth mentioning though that we have this rumor engine:

Which suspiciously happens to look extremely similar to this new Mkoll art done up for Sabbat Worlds Crusade:


I've been wondering if the art profiles in there are the side effect of GW doing up some physical design documents of where to go with the Guard. There's a Blueblood who looks suspiciously like he'd fit in well with a Scions and Auxilia(Bullgryn, the Ratling twins out of BSF, and the Commissar models), the Tanith and Belladon(and the later Verghast intake) both share Mkoll's full chest setup while the initial Verghast have Criid's style(they show Kolea wearing the same rig) of flak vest. And then you have the Hyrkan Eighth and Urdeshi wearing Cadian styled rig, with the Urdeshi having helmets, full chestplates, a groinplate, kneepads, bracers, and armored up greaves while the Hyrkan have greaves and a single right-hand shoulderpad and either a field cap or helmet.

Female guard, and good scale that does not look derp. Would be cool to get some new tanks as well, that look really good. Even if it’s a update to the ones current.

Some mutant guard regiments would be amazing as well, stuff close enough and not aligned with chaos that the imperium allows restrictive settlement and the chance to fight for the emperor. Something a bit more than just a here is your unit and be happy would be great.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
If we get a new regiment, my money would be on a regiment that is distinctly 40k and hard to convert, namely Vostroyans. They're very 40k, don't have a historical equivalent, and are well liked by the community. Steel Legion is a possibility due to being a classic line and also being a very well liked regiment. As much of a fan as I am of Valhallans, Mordians, and Praetorians, they're easily made from historical kits, and so are not as likely (everyone that wants them has already converted them in GW's eyes) As for Tallarn, they're cool, but I don't see them being the next poster child, even if they were a major component of the Indomitus Crusade. I would hope Cadians are no longer the poster boy regiment, their planet is gone and they're rebuilding, they're not really in a place to be the poster child of the galaxy anymore. Give that to another regiment shouldering that burden like the Catachans or Vostroyans. I don't think we'll see a brand new regiment pop up out of thin air, since we already have a wide variety of regiments in the book, may as well get those lines off the ground.

This right here. If GW decides to refresh our line, it will be by creating a new, uniquely 40k vision of IG. It probably wont' be vostroyans proper, but something closer to them than any of the pseudo-historical regiments, for the reasons MrMoustaffa pointed out.

And... I'm good with that. Whether they go primaris by introducing "Astra Militarum Prime Squads" or just shuffle the old models out, I think that having a modern kit, that really has a distinct look, would be good for the army.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The funniest part is that the Palantine Enforcers(not Arbites. They're not Arbites! They're specifically not Arbites, as Helmawr somehow finnagled that) are wearing Flak Armor.

Worth mentioning though that we have this rumor engine:

Spoiler:

Which suspiciously happens to look extremely similar to this new Mkoll art done up for Sabbat Worlds Crusade:

Spoiler:

I've been wondering if the art profiles in there are the side effect of GW doing up some physical design documents of where to go with the Guard. There's a Blueblood who looks suspiciously like he'd fit in well with a Scions and Auxilia(Bullgryn, the Ratling twins out of BSF, and the Commissar models), the Tanith and Belladon(and the later Verghast intake) both share Mkoll's full chest setup while the initial Verghast have Criid's style(they show Kolea wearing the same rig) of flak vest. And then you have the Hyrkan Eighth and Urdeshi wearing Cadian styled rig, with the Urdeshi having helmets, full chestplates, a groinplate, kneepads, bracers, and armored up greaves while the Hyrkan have greaves and a single right-hand shoulderpad and either a field cap or helmet.

Please gw give us some Tanith! At least a Criid model based on that artwork. C'mon gw, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

I don't have any major issues with the current troop models despite their old age, but a few tweaks to add some female troops would be nice indeed. For Cadians, they would look very similar to the male troops: merely different heads. For Catachans, they'd need different torsoes as well. I'm picturing a Vasquez-from-Aliens sort of aesthetic for female Catachans.

I'm just hoping they won't be single-pose models. I hate GW's current single-pose trend with a burning passion.


Bikers would be cool.

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Considering anyone and their brother can duff up new models that could be used as guardsmen, don’t expect GW to look to expand or redo the line - they’re more likely to drop the line since its pretty much impossible to copyright anything they design for it.

However, I’ve been looking for something to do non-Mongolian rough riders, and I’d very much like either motorcycle riders or beast riders to replace them - maybe even scavenge the iron horses Admech may soon get.

I would also like to see something akin to an M8 Greyhound - a six-wheeled vehicle with an Autocannon or Heavy Stubber on it.

I’d also like to see two tanks - a light tank (ala a WW2 Stuart or Vietnam wreath Sheridan) and a tank that falls in the bracket between a Leman Russ and a Baneblade - a Heavy tank if you will to the Leman Russ medium tank and the Baneblade Superheavy.

And a way out there request would be to bring beastman back as a viable option for the Guard.

Would love to see greatcoat guard again...

I'd just like some sensible points values and rules for Orgyn. They haven't been remotely good since 3rd edition when you could give them 2 close combat weapons at +1 strength.