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Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




So the other FW thread is locked for some reason I want to express that I feel the pain of the person that started that thread.

Coming to 40k 6 months ago I genuinely thought that FW was a separate company making their own stuff for use in 40k. It wasn’t until recently that I realised they were sort of advanced models for advanced gamers that can read GWs mind.

It just ties in with other things I and others have said on other threads about PA and other rule supplements. We just don’t know that the point of them in until some one tells us I’m not going to lay down 25 to have look. Why oh why can’t the be more explicit about their product range
   
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Florence, KY

It was locked because it was three years old...

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
Made in au
Longtime Dakkanaut




I think GW thinks there system as a feature, I still get forge world questions from people after years in the hobby.

And it’s still considered a pain in the ass to get stuff, since you won’t even know what things do often from there.
As well as often just being a here more marines studio has sort of set forge world up in a very strange place.

I feel they need a rebrand of forge world internally and externally.
   
Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




I’d just add the FW models to the GW page and just say they are developed with the more advanced gamer in mind.they can keep the FW brand on them so you know they are the plus model range hence the cost.

Be they need to be more explicit in the product description, especially about the books. Even though it’s lots of money I think if they marked the main rule book and codex as rule set 1, vigilus rule set 2 and PA as rule set 3 and say the changes are there to correct imbalances in the first rules then I’d be fine with that. That all makes sense.
   
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph





'Straya... Mate.

I really wish that they weren't so separate. Have all the rules together, and even merge the websites in to one.
The power bloat and inconsistency that comes out of forge world is annoying. I have quite a few forge world models, mainly because they look so amazing, but generally its a good way to end the fun for the other player if you use them.

I mainly liked forgeworld for their upgrade kits etc in the past, like their plague marines (now defunct with all of the new GW plastic ones), but they have great centerpiece models also.

 
   
Made in ca
Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh





Hamilton, ON

The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

The Fall of Kronstaat IV
Война Народная | Voyna Narodnaya | The People's War - 2,898pts* painted (updated 11/01/20)
Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)
* as of Chapter Approved: 2018. Not a typo.

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph





'Straya... Mate.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

 
   
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Morphing Obliterator



The dark hollows of Kentucky

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

Don't be silly. Everyone knows fw is OP. Resin is magic and always superior to plastic no matter how moronic a points cost gw gives to the unit. My fellblade is obviously far superior to 2.5 baneblades.
   
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph





'Straya... Mate.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

Don't be silly. Everyone knows fw is OP. Resin is magic and always superior to plastic no matter how moronic a points cost gw gives to the unit. My fellblade is obviously far superior to 2.5 baneblades.

This was more my point, its very inconsistent. If they could all be rolled in to one, it would be a lot better.

 
   
Made in gb
Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control





Holy Terra

There is a link to Forgeworld on the official GW website and through warhammer community.

It's not particularly confusing.

-~Ishagu~- 
   
Made in ca
Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh





Hamilton, ON

 Rippy wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.


I mean, fair enough, but assuming without deciding that you're 100% correct that's three units out of how many?

The Fall of Kronstaat IV
Война Народная | Voyna Narodnaya | The People's War - 2,898pts* painted (updated 11/01/20)
Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)
* as of Chapter Approved: 2018. Not a typo.

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




 Rippy wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

And the way we know you're lying is by saying the Spartan Assault Tank was OP in any way, shape, or form, as that's easily a really bad model. Contemptors are also not OP and simply don't suck compared to the codex ones.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Dominating Dominatrix






Heirodules rule the knight tier and always have.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
 
   
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'Straya... Mate.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 Rippy wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

And the way we know you're lying is by saying the Spartan Assault Tank was OP in any way, shape, or form, as that's easily a really bad model. Contemptors are also not OP and simply don't suck compared to the codex ones.

I used my Spartan Assault Tank in two battles, and it was amazingly OP in both of those games? Used with my Death Guard. Not sure what to tell you.


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 Excommunicatus wrote:
 Rippy wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.


I mean, fair enough, but assuming without deciding that you're 100% correct that's three units out of how many?

don't get too caught up on the OP part, focus on the inconsistent part. There are so many models that need a lot of love on Forge World, and a lot that need to be nerfed, all of which would help for balancing if it was all together in same codex.

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The dark hollows of Kentucky

 Lance845 wrote:
Heirodules rule the knight tier and always have.

You dare underestimate the Gargantuan Squigoth good sir?
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Spartans are just worse Land Raiders right now. If you think the Spartan is OP, then the Land Raider is OP.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control





Holy Terra



Spartan is pretty decent, no doubt about that, but not OP. Definitely can be effective and is superior to a LR.

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Barbed hierodule would be fine if it costs similar points to 2 regular battle cannon russ's. However, it costs more than 2 even though being techniqually inferior than 2 of them.

Scythed should be about 15-20% cheaper than barbed since its basically all melee. It's flamer should be 12" range as well.

Dimacheron is just a super-heavy lictor and should be cheaper as well.

Carnifex's should only cost about 60pts base since they are so easy to kill.

Genestealers dropping to 11 apiece, horms dropping to 4 apiece, and warriors getting a stock 3+ save would make tyranids ok again.

Note, they would just be OK.

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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh





Hamilton, ON

FW stuff isn't inconsistent either, though.

It's consistently gak, rules-wise.

The Fall of Kronstaat IV
Война Народная | Voyna Narodnaya | The People's War - 2,898pts* painted (updated 11/01/20)
Волшебная Сказка | Volshebnaya Skazka | A Fairy Tale (updated 29/12/19, ep10 - And All That Could Have Been)
Kabal of The Violet Heart (updated 02/02/2020)
* as of Chapter Approved: 2018. Not a typo.

All 'crimes' should be treasured if they bring you pleasure somehow. 
   
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 Excommunicatus wrote:
FW stuff isn't inconsistent either, though.

It's consistently gak, rules-wise.


Contemptor dreads, Leviathans and Deredeo's would like to have a word with you


"Courage and Honour. I hear you murmur these words in the mist, in their wake I hear your hearts beat harder with false conviction seeking to convince yourselves that a brave death has meaning.
There is no courage to be found here my nephews, no honour to be had. Your souls will join the trillion others in the mist shrieking uselessly to eternity, weeping for the empire you could not save.

To the unfaithful, I bring holy plagues ripe with enlightenment. To the devout, I bring the blessing of immortality through the kiss of sacred rot.
And to you, new-born sons of Gulliman, to you flesh crafted puppets of a failing Imperium I bring the holiest gift of all.... Silence."
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Dominating Dominatrix






 NurglesR0T wrote:
 Excommunicatus wrote:
FW stuff isn't inconsistent either, though.

It's consistently gak, rules-wise.


Contemptor dreads, Leviathans and Deredeo's would like to have a word with you



The exceptions that prove the rule. On a 1 for 1 basis there is more FW units that are gak then there are GW and there are more GW units that are OP than FW.

Being FW doesn't make anything special in terms of GWs crap job at doing balance.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
 
   
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Holy Terra

Contemptors and Deredeo are not OP at all.

Leviathan generally isn't, outside of specific rule/chapter combinations.

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The dark hollows of Kentucky

 Ishagu wrote:
Contemptors and Deredeo are not OP at all.

Leviathan generally isn't, outside of specific rule/chapter combinations.

As in Iron Hands. Which makes damn near everything OP. So obviously leviathans should be nerfed for everyone. Including the inferior ones csm get. Because we can't be nerfing a loyalist chapter can we?

Kind of like how the only fw super heavy that got a buff in ca was "primaris"......
   
 
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