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Yeah, look a few posts up, was a video showing all angles of new tiles and terrain:
Warhams-77 wrote: I found this review of the ZM terrain kits helpful. How the tiles work together with the wall sections, where you can actually clip them into the tiles etc (shown in the first half of the vid)
Plastic ZM tiles have bits and bobs sticking up, wouldn't want that on the bottom, as it wouldn't sit straigth on the table. Or the entire weight of the tile (including terrain, minis, dice ++) would sit on a few mm parts on the terrain, guaranteed chipping (if painting both sides).
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Do we have any idea when the Subjugators (and Corpse Grinders) will become available as separate boxes? I'm keen to make an Enforcer gang but want to have both sets of models available before I start building, and I'm not going to buy the Dark Uprising box set.
One thing I've noticed on bits sites is that the scenery and Enforcers sold like hot cakes, while the Corpse Grinders continue to languish on - they're clearly far less popular.
Insane Ivan wrote: Do we have any idea when the Subjugators (and Corpse Grinders) will become available as separate boxes? I'm keen to make an Enforcer gang but want to have both sets of models available before I start building, and I'm not going to buy the Dark Uprising box set.
One thing I've noticed on bits sites is that the scenery and Enforcers sold like hot cakes, while the Corpse Grinders continue to languish on - they're clearly far less popular.
No idea on dates, but the box has a leaflet with gang boxes of the Subjugators and Corpse Grinders shown. Probably new year I reckon...
how expensive are we talking for the Corpse grinders?
Because they sure as hell would make for great kitbashes imo.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Insane Ivan wrote: Do we have any idea when the Subjugators (and Corpse Grinders) will become available as separate boxes? I'm keen to make an Enforcer gang but want to have both sets of models available before I start building, and I'm not going to buy the Dark Uprising box set.
One thing I've noticed on bits sites is that the scenery and Enforcers sold like hot cakes, while the Corpse Grinders continue to languish on - they're clearly far less popular.
No idea on dates, but the box has a leaflet with gang boxes of the Subjugators and Corpse Grinders shown. Probably new year I reckon...
That makes sense, they weren't on the leaked schedule for this year, I think? Oh well, a bit of a wait...
Not Online!!! wrote:how expensive are we talking for the Corpse grinders?
Because they sure as hell would make for great kitbashes imo.
Insane Ivan wrote: Do we have any idea when the Subjugators (and Corpse Grinders) will become available as separate boxes? I'm keen to make an Enforcer gang but want to have both sets of models available before I start building, and I'm not going to buy the Dark Uprising box set.
One thing I've noticed on bits sites is that the scenery and Enforcers sold like hot cakes, while the Corpse Grinders continue to languish on - they're clearly far less popular.
That isn't surprising, given the lack of variety and sheer mind-boggling choice of no guns on most of the gang.
Out of sheer boredom I calculated the average piece requirement for a 4x4 table of the former forge world tiles and compared them again the box contents previously posted here by bossdoc.
Looking online, I was only able to find seven forgeworld zone mortalis 1x1 tiles layouts. When I averaged out their respective numbers of pillars, short walls, and long walls, I got the following averages: 3.29 pillars, 3.14 short walls, and 1.43 long walls, per 1x1 tile. A 4x4 table requires 16 1x1 tiles. Thus filling the table with tiles would require 52.57 pillars, 50.29 short walls, and 22.86 long walls.
Based off of those calculations, you would need 4.38 dark uprising boxes worth of pillars, 6.29 boxes worth of short walls, and 11.43 boxes worth of long walls to create a comparable table to the original forge world product. Those figures don't yet account for the floor pieces being separate, requiring 4 boxes worth of floor tiles to make the 4x4 table.
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It's also nothing but sheer conjecture, as outside of the tiles which are apparently a 'limited run' product(which makes me wonder if this was a testing ground hence the single tile being repeated 4 times)? We don't know anything about how stuff will be packaged/sold.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Out of sheer boredom I calculated the average piece requirement for a 4x4 table of the former forge world tiles and compared them again the box contents previously posted here by bossdoc.
Looking online, I was only able to find seven forgeworld zone mortalis 1x1 tiles layouts. When I averaged out their respective numbers of pillars, short walls, and long walls, I got the following averages: 3.29 pillars, 3.14 short walls, and 1.43 long walls, per 1x1 tile. A 4x4 table requires 16 1x1 tiles. Thus filling the table with tiles would require 52.57 pillars, 50.29 short walls, and 22.86 long walls.
Based off of those calculations, you would need 4.38 dark uprising boxes worth of pillars, 6.29 boxes worth of short walls, and 11.43 boxes worth of long walls to create a comparable table to the original forge world product. Those figures don't yet account for the floor pieces being separate, requiring 4 boxes worth of floor tiles to make the 4x4 table.
That's a bit misleading. In general, yes, the Dark Uprising box has enough terrain for a 2x2 table, so if you want four times as much terrain, you'll need four times as many boxes.
However, in Necromunda, Zone Mortalis scenarios are not played on 4x4 tables. Players alternate placing tiles and in some scenarios can stop after just 4 tiles. You could end up with something that is 6x1. Here's the ZM tile requirement from the rulebook:
Tunnel Skirmish - 4 to 6 tiles
The Trap - 5 tiles (in a plus shape)
Forgotten Riches - 7 tiles
The Maurauders - 6 tiles
Sneak Attack - 7 tiles
Smash & Grab - 6 tiles
You can, of course, play with however many tiles you want, but the game never demands more than 7 tiles at a time.
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Kanluwen wrote: It's also nothing but sheer conjecture, as outside of the tiles which are apparently a 'limited run' product(which makes me wonder if this was a testing ground hence the single tile being repeated 4 times)?
Has it been said that it is a limited run product?
As for why that tile is repeated 4 times is because it is specifically designed to replicate the Zone Mortalis floors. It is built to hold the pillars and walls at specific points, like studs in a LEGO set. It's functional more than decorative, and you can always paint/mod it in various ways to make it look different. Other tiles would be useful and interesting for non-ZM terrain or display though, and I actually hope they release other tiles (or even half or quarter tiles), but honestly, without the locking mechanism these tiles have, I think just about everybody would prefer a soft printed mat (especially when laying their miniatures down).
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My calculation was largely an exercise in comparing the two products from the same company to get a sense of relative value.
Furthermore, on the point about their value in the box versus as separate items, we can only go off of what we have seen GW do in the past. IIRC, the shadow wars armageddon box sold the then new sector mechanicus terrain at a discount over their individual sale. I find it highly unlikely that GW will price the zone mortalis terrain cheaper outside of the box. However, that is still conjecture.
-edit- I can also add that I'm interested in the terrain for horus heresy games and not necromunda, which I know nothing about. That influenced my consideration of a 4x4 table. If we go off of the aforementioned seven tile requirement for necromunda, you get the following requirements: 1.92 boxes worth of columns, 2.75 boxes worth of short walls, and 5 boxes worth of long walls.
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I won't defend GW's prices. They are so high, I feel like I need to throw boxes of space marines into the Boston Harbor to protest GW's heavy taxation without representation.
But this is a Necromunda product designed for Necromunda players. Being upset that it isn't a good way to play Horus Heresy is a bit like complaining about building a Slaves to Darkness army out of Warcry starter sets. Surely, there are better alternatives...
Similarly, you do not and probably should not try to emulate the resin Zone Mortalis tiles explicitly. There's wiggle room in how you build - and rebuild - your plastic ZM board, so assuming a worse case scenario that you'd need every wall and column for every board is a bit excessive. A little open space, or using layouts with less populated boards is entirely possible.
Has anyone figured out if there is a set pattern to the terrain like warcry?
Iv skimmed the book and it seems like the only instructions are the old ones using the original zones or cardboard tiles and i have no idea how to set up the walls them selves.
The Book of Ruin is a mess! Some new interesting content, a lot of reprints from earlier publications, a lot of overlap with Dark Uprising rulebook, a lot of errors, internal and external inconsistencies. I recommend the new content, looks fun (if you can make it work), but I wouldn't recommend paying for this book. It shouldn't have left editing in this state (seems rushed).
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Baxx wrote: The Book of Ruin is a mess! Some new interesting content, a lot of reprints from earlier publications, a lot of overlap with Dark Uprising rulebook, a lot of errors, internal and external inconsistencies. I recommend the new content, looks fun (if you can make it work), but I wouldn't recommend paying for this book. It shouldn't have left editing in this state (seems rushed).
While I'm also not surprised, this is also really depressing having just dropped $45 on this book and was really looking forward to getting my hands on it...not to mention my GSC Acolytes got nerfed...
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Necromunda, the game, is much like the planet itself: a dark and dystopic place, filled with dangerous dark alleys, precarious tunnels that lead nowhere, and long forgotten accomplishments covered in a layer of sludge - but to the inhabitants that live there, great treasures can be mined from its murky depths.
Baxx wrote: The Book of Ruin is a mess! Some new interesting content, a lot of reprints from earlier publications, a lot of overlap with Dark Uprising rulebook, a lot of errors, internal and external inconsistencies. I recommend the new content, looks fun (if you can make it work), but I wouldn't recommend paying for this book. It shouldn't have left editing in this state (seems rushed).
Specialist Games have a major issue with their proofreading which they really need to sort out. They recently released an A5 book with all the updated Blood Bowl core rules, in an attempt to satisfy the demands for an updated copy of the core rules without having to buy the boxed game and cart around an almanac or two. They then went and made a load of really basic typos in it, including things like movement values, totally undermining the whole point of said book. It's getting beyond silly now.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wait, GSC got nerfed? Did they at least give Champs more than 1 wound?
Yep. and nope...I dont think so, cant confirm until I get my copy on Friday, but from my understanding, the Acolytes (champs) went from Str4 to Str3...
ninjad -
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Wait, GSC got nerfed? Did they at least give Champs more than 1 wound?
Book of Ruin:
Genestealer Hybrid Acolytes: Still 1 wound (and S3/T3), hand flamers are 50 cred. (for GSC).
Dark Uprising Rulebook:
Enforcers still cannot get magnacles (nor cyber mastiffs, webbers, etc.).
Scavenging only lets you loot stuff from your own House Equipment List...
Also grenade launcher stun grenades dont have Blast - but ”Grenade” (!),
Heavy Concussion Ram also doesnt have Blast, etc.
Three different ways to explain how/if to use Firepower Dice in CC (page 17, 18 and 41) - and still no Index!
Strange wordings: ”The total number of Initiates ... must ... than, the number of OTHER Skinners in the gang.”
Still among the best Necro books this far though.
I got what I expected and am really happy!
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And they're still pricing flame weapons as if they were still producing cardboard ZM tiles.
Honestly...
[EDIT]: More revelations!
Spoiler:
Zone Mortalis Tip No5... The pipe fittings can be magnetised (6x2mm Magnets) at the correct height on walls and columns. B11 and B12 fit to columns and wall ends. Whilst C11 and C12 fit on Walls.
Zone Mortalis Tip No6... B13 has a hidden use. By cutting down a pipe to 3 sections wide and adding B13 to either end along with the wall pipe fittings, makes it the correct length to join across two wall sections.
Cutting down plasma conduits is tedious. I suggest literally oiling your blade before doing it.
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