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I haven't seen very much on this and was wondering what people's thoughts on this are with regard to how it will or will not affect people's gaming experiences. I imagine tournament organizers, particularly the larger ones have a ton of things to consider, as if they needed more headaches...

Seems like a lot of varying opinions on the scale and scope of the spread of the disease, even from official learned sources around the world.

I was hoping to begin a discussion here on people's experiences with how it may or may not change aspects of tournament gaming going forward

I hope that the 4+ feet minimum between myself and my opponent across the table will hamper transmission...what’s that movie, “five feet apart”?
Except for the LVO, we aren’t talking about thousands of people packed into a space, we’ve got a couple hundred at most and typically 40k players aren’t the kind of social globetrotters who are likely to come into contact with COVID-19 anyway.

Not much of a choice here.

Ludic events are banned by law right now.

Adepticon's statement: https://www.adepticon.org/2020/03/05/adepticon-update-on-coronavirus-covid-19-updated-03-05-20/

It hasn't reached my corner of Canada yet, so I felt pretty confident about attending a small local tourney yesterday and another next Saturday.

Do not lick your opponents!

Nurglitch wrote:
Do not lick your opponents!

How else are Space Wolves players supposed to greet their masters opponents?

 greyknight12 wrote:
40k players aren’t the kind of social globetrotters who are likely to come into contact with COVID-19 anyway.

That's a pretty misguided statement. You have know way of knowing that. You can assume that, but others shouldn't.

Theres a sizeable number of people that travel to events throughout the year. They frequently fly around attending these events and airports are one of the worst places to be just behind the actual plane you travel on pumping recycled air throughout the cabin and with basically zero sterile places. I am not suggesting anyone panic but it would be silly to ignore the risk involved in attending ANY large social gatherings whether they be gaming or self help, you can't control where other attendees are traveling to and from or the level of hygiene and safety they are taking. All it takes is one lazy, or stupid person not taking this seriously and all the other folks precautions can go out the window. It's also worth mentioning that gaming has a ton of tactile involvement on shared surfaces. Your touching a lot of stuff. So if you do chose to go you really need to be aware of not touching your face, this sounds easy but it really is not. Also be cautious of how your food is being prepared if your buying it there. I hope everyone is safe and has a great time, but be realistic and aware that there is risk.

TLDR: Don't panic BUT Any large social gathering is going to be a greater risk, that risk multiplies as soon as you factor in traveling. So folks need to decide what level of risk if any is worth it.

Wear your best Death Guard cultist cosplay and be sure to spread Nurgle's gifts as far and wide as possible.

https://newsthump.com/2020/03/04/nation-turns-to-warhammer-players-for-advice-on-how-to-stay-at-home-for-two-weeks/

While the recommended mnemonics, Happy Birthday, and the Alphabet song, are useful for timing out the hand washing, Many popular song choruses also time out between 20-30 seconds, the advised timing for properly washing your hands.
Even the opening verse of Stairway to Heaven, including the first 'Buying the Stairway' can be used.
Could make you seem much cooler than singing 'Happy Birthday' to yourself in a public washroom.

As an Italian I can assure you that it is way more serious than you could imagine.
I'd wager any amount of money that an event like Adepticon is not going forward as it is two weeks from now.

Italy is currently under quarantine (limited freedom of movement, just for unavoidable work, health reasons and to get groceries or meds), all sporting events are banned for a month, not even allowed to be played behind closed doors, bars and restaurants have to close at 6 PM, etc.
All over Europe major events or sporting competitions are being cancelled or played behind closed doors (national leagues, Europa League and Champions League in football, for example).

Unfortunately it appears to be a disease way more contagious than expected.

Indeed.

There are really few chances of adepticon being run this year.

Spoletta wrote:
Indeed.

There are really few chances of adepticon being run this year.

There are few chances of it not being run currently. There are a total of less than 100 cases at the moment in an area larger than europe centered on Chicago with far, far less population density. Unless the state bans it it'll happen. Additionally it's not a huge gathering like even a baseball or basketball game. I have doubts it would meet the threshhold to pull by the city. We'll see what it looks like in 2 weeks.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Indeed.

There are really few chances of adepticon being run this year.

There are few chances of it not being run currently. There are a total of less than 100 cases at the moment in an area larger than europe centered on Chicago with far, far less population density. Unless the state bans it it'll happen. Additionally it's not a huge gathering like even a baseball or basketball game. I have doubts it would meet the threshhold to pull by the city. We'll see what it looks like in 2 weeks.

The number of cases is not a particularly good metric to use to base proactively cancelling events. Events are being cancelled to avoid the possible spread. Both Seattle and San Francisco just banned large gatherings. Ohio and Indiana are cancelling schools. So Adepticon being cancelled or re-scheduled is certainly in the realm of possibility.


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Also all college basketball games for March Madness have now banned fan attendance. I don't think Adepticon is happening.

bogalubov wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Indeed.

There are really few chances of adepticon being run this year.

There are few chances of it not being run currently. There are a total of less than 100 cases at the moment in an area larger than europe centered on Chicago with far, far less population density. Unless the state bans it it'll happen. Additionally it's not a huge gathering like even a baseball or basketball game. I have doubts it would meet the threshhold to pull by the city. We'll see what it looks like in 2 weeks.

The number of cases is not a particularly good metric to use to base proactively cancelling events. Events are being cancelled to avoid the possible spread. Both Seattle and San Francisco just banned large gatherings. Ohio and Indiana are cancelling schools. So Adepticon being cancelled or re-scheduled is certainly in the realm of possibility.


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Also all college basketball games for March Madness have now banned fan attendance. I don't think Adepticon is happening.

I never said it was. But they were comparing Italy's current condition in an utterly non-sensible way. But yes, certain events are being cancelled while others aren't. Most of the ones closing in a non-high outbreak state (currently) are ones that can afford to close down. Adepticon won't close down unless the state and local government force them too. Financial situations won't allow for it. But barring an outbreak in the area I don't see that happening.

I wouldn’t so much worry about where it’s being held. I’d be more worried about where people are traveling from to get to Adepticon.

We have 1 case here, and colleges and universities are moving to no in school instruction starting next week or the week after. All online. UPenn said it’s students need to be out of dorms by this Sunday.

If I were Adepticon, I’d certainly be planning for a possible cancellation, and the potential for refunds being requested as well, which I know can be tough for this kind of operation.

The rule about no borrowhammer by requiring paint be uniform should be dropped -- as there is good chances many people may be unable to acquire models this summer from either a lack of chinacast or a lack of GW import.

Adepticon ain't gonna happen, the situation is too dynamic and is changing rapidly.

Dukeofstuff wrote:
The rule about no borrowhammer by requiring paint be uniform should be dropped -- as there is good chances many people may be unable to acquire models this summer from either a lack of chinacast or a lack of GW import.

That is your worry? when possibly one of the largest tournaments is going to shut down ad possibly not come back?

The inherent turbulence of the situation makes just that sort of longer term planning a bad idea as a pre-tournament cost or barrier to entry into the tournament. So yeah, that is my suggestion. I never said it was a worry of mine.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I never said it was. But they were comparing Italy's current condition in an utterly non-sensible way. [...]

Utterly non-sensible way? I hope to be wrong for everyone's sake, but we'll see in 10 days where we all stand.

I'm guessing that the European travel ban will affect Adepticon pretty hard. Any idea how many people usually go from Europe to Adepticon?

They didn't ban the UK, however if I were a higher up at GW I wouldn't be sending employees over to adepticon and I'd be figuring out an alternative way to preview mini releases.

Adepticon update as of 11-MAR

https://www.adepticon.org/2020/03/11/adepticon-update-on-coronavirus-covid-19-updated-03-05-20/

UPDATE [March 11th, 2020] AdeptiCon is processing all the latest information around the COVID-19 virus. We are aware of the recent travel ban and that the State of Illinois is considering restriction on large scale events. We remain in direct contact with all the relevant parties and expect to make a final determination shortly. We understand that many of you have questions and concerns, and we appreciate the input and feedback we have received. We ask that you bear with us while we speak with all involved and gather the necessary information required to make a responsible decision. It cannot be stressed enough that our only priority is the safety and health of our attendees, volunteers, exhibitors, and staff. Thank you for your patience while we maneuver this very fluid situation.

Removed.

I feel really bad for adepticon. I've more or less accepted that I won't be going, since I cannot risk brining the virus home due to high risk people in my household.

But they're stuck between a rock and hard place.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Indeed.

There are really few chances of adepticon being run this year.

There are few chances of it not being run currently. There are a total of less than 100 cases at the moment in an area larger than europe centered on Chicago with far, far less population density. Unless the state bans it it'll happen. Additionally it's not a huge gathering like even a baseball or basketball game. I have doubts it would meet the threshhold to pull by the city. We'll see what it looks like in 2 weeks.

a) small amount of cases is actually good reason to start closing events to ensure it DOESN'T spread.
b) It's 100 cases now. What happens when it starts to grow fast? US is particularly vulnerable to that seeing how getting yourself tested for virus can get you over 3000$ bill from insurance company and workers are given incent to go work while sick. That two combines to make it very easy for virus to spread very fast.

2 weeks is a long time. I would not be betting for event to be held.

Looking at some of the comments in this thread, and I think we really need to remind everyone that there are a lot of people in our community at high risk of DEATH because of this bug. Even if the risk of getting people killed over a game is low, I think we can all agree that it's not worth it.

I actually think the ITC needs to step in and discourage TOs from holding GTs for the next 6 months. Maybe even something as simple as placing a moratorium on counting points within a certain window of time.

@tneva82

It's 100 registered cases in area the size of the entirety of europe. That said we're almost criminally under testing so it's likely much higher. That's more the concern. Our lack of leadership has lead to a shot gun approach to halting the spread has lead to a lot of uncertainty.

The actual tests, if available, don't cost you 3k. That was a misreport. But the lack of testing isn't sadly. Like most of the world there is a major issue with lack of testing and data gathering. I also said THEY would hold it unless the state forces them not to. Why? Because if THEY cancel it they are on the hook for the cost and will disappear. Right now they're holding out for the state to declare something similar to other states limiting gatherings. Then it'll be cancelled But if the state doesn't cancel it then they'll run it. Most people won't show but it's their only option to avoid ruin. Contracts and insurance are a thing.

@Suzuteo

ITC has zero control of the vast majority of the tournament circuit and they shouldn't poke their nose in. Neutrality is their friend. Let governments or the local TO's be the big bads.

100 now yes. How long will it STAY at 100 with people incentived to not go for tests and keep going for work even if they have symptoms? That's recipe for fast spreading(which indeed graph above shows...Which country has sharpest pike up? US...US will make cases in china look like isolated small town in comparison in counts).

It's not what it's now but what it will be.