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Why don’t CSM have drop pods available?

^ The necessary spikes make it less aerodynamic and therefore they are too slow to not be shot down on their way to the battlefield.

In past editions, they didn't have them available probably because GW wanted to keep the two factions more different. These days, they aren't available because it's been long established as just how things are, even though it'd be fine to have them now. But nobody is in a hurry, because drop pods aren't good in 8th.

Same reason Space Wolves have giant wolf cavalry and Chaos doesn't have Berserkers on Juggernaughts.

The usual lore explanation these days is that CSM don't have the follow-up infrastructure to recover their Drop Pods after the fight/keep building more drop pods since they're usually smaller raiding forces without as stable a supply chain.

They do. They're called Dreadclaws. They're available to csm only, loyalists can't use them, because their machine spirits are so fething evil they eat loyalists. Even daemons are scared to ride in them.

I'm fine that CSM doesn't have the regular cheap Drop Pods. It helps differentiate them.

However, seeing as Renegades (which is what half the codex is treated as) don't have access to them, it makes very little sense. The whole codex is a joke.

When you turn to Chaos you have to give them up, along with your Land Speeders, various types of aircraft, Assault Cannons, non-insane Dreads, Plasma Cannons, Storm Shields, Razorbacks, Whirlwinds and Cyclone Launchers. Plus all your special Land Raider variants.

On the bright side all your Devastator Marines get inexplicably bigger and tougher, but they start to hang out in smaller groups.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm fine that CSM doesn't have the regular cheap Drop Pods. It helps differentiate them.

However, seeing as Renegades (which is what half the codex is treated as) don't have access to them, it makes very little sense. The whole codex is a joke.

Agreed, but dreadclaws need a points drop in the new fw books. It would be nice to get the loyalists first turn ds rule as well.

 Insectum7 wrote:
^ The necessary spikes make it less aerodynamic and therefore they are too slow to not be shot down on their way to the battlefield.

As far as I'm concerned, this is now cannon. Champions were also frustrated with their price should falling of the spikes during atmosphere reentry.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
They do. They're called Dreadclaws. They're available to csm only, loyalists can't use them, because their machine spirits are so fething evil they eat loyalists. Even daemons are scared to ride in them.

well that and unlike loyalist pods they can take off again and act like flyers


Remember the lore was that the astartes that turned to chaos took everything they had with them from the 30K timeline and thanks to warp time shenanigans they still have the tech that the wider imperium forgot how to make.

Chaos really need a way to take loyalist things, like GSC can with Guard.

 aphyon wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
They do. They're called Dreadclaws. They're available to csm only, loyalists can't use them, because their machine spirits are so fething evil they eat loyalists. Even daemons are scared to ride in them.

well that and unlike loyalist pods they can take off again and act like flyers


Remember the lore was that the astartes that turned to chaos took everything they had with them from the 30K timeline and thanks to warp time shenanigans they still have the tech that the wider imperium forgot how to make.

Yeah that’s why SM can field 3 types of terminator armour and CSM have 1 lol


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Gadzilla666 wrote:
They do. They're called Dreadclaws. They're available to csm only, loyalists can't use them, because their machine spirits are so fething evil they eat loyalists. Even daemons are scared to ride in them.

Thanks for the info now I just need to pay forgeworld 83 pounds for the model and the book with the rules.

mrFickle wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
They do. They're called Dreadclaws. They're available to csm only, loyalists can't use them, because their machine spirits are so fething evil they eat loyalists. Even daemons are scared to ride in them.

Thanks for the info now I just need to pay forgeworld 83 pounds for the model and the book with the rules.

Well I never said they were free did I?

Now you know why csm players get so worked up when people start screaming about banning fw. The funny thing is the dreadclaw would be one of the easiest fw models for gw to convert to plastic. It's literally the normal drop pod kit with 14 resin conversion parts.

As for the terminator issue, nothing stopping you from playing the older marks, they just don't get special rules. Which is how it should be. We don't have different rules for mark 3 and mark 5 power armour so why have rules for different marks of terminator armour?

And I wouldn't go buying any fw books. They're about to be obsolete.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

mrFickle wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
They do. They're called Dreadclaws. They're available to csm only, loyalists can't use them, because their machine spirits are so fething evil they eat loyalists. Even daemons are scared to ride in them.

Thanks for the info now I just need to pay forgeworld 83 pounds for the model and the book with the rules.

Well I never said they were free did I?

Now you know why csm players get so worked up when people start screaming about banning fw. The funny thing is the dreadclaw would be one of the easiest fw models for gw to convert to plastic. It's literally the normal drop pod kit with 14 resin conversion parts.

As for the terminator issue, nothing stopping you from playing the older marks, they just don't get special rules. Which is how it should be. We don't have different rules for mark 3 and mark 5 power armour so why have rules for different marks of terminator armour?

And I wouldn't go buying any fw books. They're about to be obsolete.

Except that SM get different rules for Cat and Tart terminator armour.

FW shouldn’t be banned they should just have all 40k models on the GW website and in the codex or free PDF rules for supplementary releases.

I don’t Really understand the difference between the material FW use and GW. I just spent 40 quid on 5 kokophonie troops and what was in the box didn’t look particularly different to the models you get from a GW order. The material actually looked more like the tech marine and servitors I bought some time ago.

It's pretty easy to convert a drop pod into a dreadclaw. I had an opponent who just mounted some downward claw things to it.

mrFickle wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

mrFickle wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
They do. They're called Dreadclaws. They're available to csm only, loyalists can't use them, because their machine spirits are so fething evil they eat loyalists. Even daemons are scared to ride in them.

Thanks for the info now I just need to pay forgeworld 83 pounds for the model and the book with the rules.

Well I never said they were free did I?

Now you know why csm players get so worked up when people start screaming about banning fw. The funny thing is the dreadclaw would be one of the easiest fw models for gw to convert to plastic. It's literally the normal drop pod kit with 14 resin conversion parts.

As for the terminator issue, nothing stopping you from playing the older marks, they just don't get special rules. Which is how it should be. We don't have different rules for mark 3 and mark 5 power armour so why have rules for different marks of terminator armour?

And I wouldn't go buying any fw books. They're about to be obsolete.

Except that SM get different rules for Cat and Tart terminator armour.

FW shouldn’t be banned they should just have all 40k models on the GW website and in the codex or free PDF rules for supplementary releases.

I don’t Really understand the difference between the material FW use and GW. I just spent 40 quid on 5 kokophonie troops and what was in the box didn’t look particularly different to the models you get from a GW order. The material actually looked more like the tech marine and servitors I bought some time ago.

Agreed on your point on fw rules.

On the termis, like I said, all marks should have the same rules, be they loyalist or heretic. (Course I'm biased because most of my terminators are cataphractii and I'd prefer them staying the same price. Feth that 4++).

Fw uses resin, which is cheaper when it comes to making molds, thus better for models that won't sell as much. I'd guess your tech marine is finecast which is a form of resin casting.

And I'm jealous, those kokophoni are wicked. Always wanted to get a set and convert them along with the special edition noise marine into a Night Lords black metal band.

The kokophonie who’ll hopefully become standard models, the already look chaotic and I can’t see how they would be difficult to convert to plastic. They are so much better than the noise marine conversion pack that’s currently available And with the new Fabius model coming out I’m hoping an EC codex is just around the corner.

carefull what you wish for.

IF EC get's out you can bet your backside that you are not getting a full roster, like TS and DG.
(not to mention that the CSM roster isn't even complete comparaed to other factions, even if you use FW.)

Drop Pods and some other vehicles like Land Speeders are powered by loyalty to the almighty Emperor and as a result don't work for traitors and heretics. In fact if they try and use them the vehicles just explode.

pm713 wrote:
Drop Pods and some other vehicles like Land Speeders are powered by loyalty to the almighty Emperor and as a result don't work for traitors and heretics. In fact if they try and use them the vehicles just explode.

That can't be true. Dark Angels use loads.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dude,_Where%27s_my_Land_Speeder%3F

ADB answers your question...

The_Real_Chris wrote:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dude,_Where%27s_my_Land_Speeder%3F

ADB answers your question...

Wait, do chaos not get bikes anymore? I know I don't pay attention but I swear they used to.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dude,_Where%27s_my_Land_Speeder%3F

ADB answers your question...

That was fething great.

 Trickstick wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dude,_Where%27s_my_Land_Speeder%3F

ADB answers your question...

Wait, do chaos not get bikes anymore? I know I don't pay attention but I swear they used to.

Yes but not jetbikes, even though heresy era tech

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dude,_Where%27s_my_Land_Speeder%3F

ADB answers your question...

Wait, do chaos not get bikes anymore? I know I don't pay attention but I swear they used to.

Yes but not jetbikes, even though heresy era tech

I'd settle for some volkite chargers for my "terror squads? Phtthhbbtt. We don't need those anymore " Night Lords.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'd settle for some volkite chargers for my "terror squads? Phtthhbbtt. We don't need those anymore " Night Lords.

Even Guard get Volkites now, Chaos really should work on their logistics. It is what wins wars.

 Trickstick wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'd settle for some volkite chargers for my "terror squads? Phtthhbbtt. We don't need those anymore " Night Lords.

Even Guard get Volkites now, Chaos really should work on their logistics. It is what wins wars.

he now, we get dragons.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'd settle for some volkite chargers for my "terror squads? Phtthhbbtt. We don't need those anymore " Night Lords.

Even Guard get Volkites now, Chaos really should work on their logistics. It is what wins wars.

he now, we get dragons.

Spoiler:

tbf i'd rather have seen plastic helltalons, like wtf GW why make a relatively half the time aesthtically not pleasing dragon, when you have an actual daemonengine plane hybrid that looks mean AF)

They could at least include a fething flight stand that works out of the box. (Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for milliput).

There is only one answer to this question :

To further differentiate the factions.

That's it.