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Subject: [Patreon]PeculiarCompanions: "Spaniards, 15th century inspired fantasy humans" June´s WiP
makes me want some historical human minis for Benin even more
i was impressed when i learnt of these cultures, i mean, all i knew (because didnt invested time in africa, searching for inspirations) was the typical nubians and moors, but when i started searching, was shocked how complex LONGLASTING (Benin kingdom lasted about 6 CENTURIES from 1200 to 1800) , they had crazy cities, standarised army composion.
I've cleaned up a bunch of off topic tangent posts and I'll open this back up for discussion. I didn't issue any warnings, but I will if this thread gets dragged off to weird places again, if anyone has any questions, feel free to PM me, thanks!
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There were a number of comments there that weren't really political and that contributed to the conversation w/ what I felt were pretty civil discussions of information... I don't know if something erupted overnight, but I'm sorry to see some of those notes disappear.
BobtheInquisitor wrote:Mostly people just wondering if there would be humans with similar armor and weapons.
Yes, the mod told me PM. There was some cultural-related questioning. i totally understand it and all i can say is that "wait", i started previous month with french/breton dwarfs. I am all about doing non canon stuff, but as i told the Mod , if i come here and show "high orcs" (english orc) who would get them? not as main faction but maybe as mercenaries because of the "no way that place ("high "X"") could be taken by muscled and big fangs creatures".
However that doesnt mean that there will be not europeans "non humans-like", it means "Just give me time", first i have to do things closer to the "expected" aesthetic. Then i will start with yet lesser canonic mixes of cultures and fantasy races.
There is another point (for those political related comments) that i think is conditionating these kind of debates: eurocentrism in design is not only in the fact of making dwarfs-human-elves european, and the rest orcs, ogres, rats, lizards etc etc, it also is in the cultural belief that the only source of civilization is in europe, thus, considering making orcs African as a "cliche" in terms of making them another look, but SAVAGE. And that is just some thinking carried from past centuries (when explorers that came back to their countries claimed seing GIANTS, CANNIBALS, people with fangs dancing around the fireplace) to the present days and reinforced (without bad intention) by movies, novels, 2d art, etc. So i would like to share that my POV is that i DONT believe that, since i have read a lot of history in general, and with this specefici subject (african orcs) i choosed benin because itthey were not "tribal savages", to the contrary, they had quite a huge kindgom, trully organized military forces, lots of commerce , diplomacy, art and of course religion. All those items allowed them to exist more than 6 centuries (as empire).
My point: i made them considering that benin/west african cutlures were actually very civilised, complex. I have actually made aztec elfs, indu humans, asirian elves, mongol orcs, arab dwarfs, so like i said : just give me time and you will see cool original content
stonehorse wrote:In all my 30 odd years of gaming, those are the coolest things I have ever seen. I think I'll be looking into getting an Orc army if these for Kings of War.
Glad you like them! i was impressed by the looks and organization of the military of Benin when looking for references, that sold me!
As an extra here you can see a Mongol Orc Ambassador (or royal guard) i made as sample for when i make the full faction.
Love to see a new take on fantasy tropes! Best of luck with the Patreon effort and keep up the unique work!
"You don't believe data - you test data. If I could put my finger on the moment we genuinely <expletive deleted> ourselves, it was the moment we decided that data was something you could use words like believe or disbelieve around"