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Hi all,

So I've been having a run of really bad luck against my regular opponent - we've been playing the last 3 games on Vassal and I've comprehensively lost every single one (most recent was agonisingly close - a lot of it came down to terrible maelstrom rolls).

Anyway, I've decided to revamp my shooty EC list to take on his Tyranids - I've built in some ignores LoS shooting with the Scorpii to kill camping termagants, and the R&H detachment is there for cheap CP and to screen out the back field.

I've abandoned any deep-striking close combat threat because they're always screened out - even by T3 when I've killed a fair few of the little bugs, he always seems to block my deep-strikers. The Lords are there instead to buff the defensive line, and to heroically intervene and smash face when he reaches my lines. Noise marines are split-firing practically every turn to put the sonic blasters on little gribblies, and the blast masters on bigger targets. CSM with lascannons will do the same - hoping to get through the T8 of tyrannofexes/exocrines.

So, with that in mind, please tear this list apart and show me no mercy (cause I certainly won't get any next game).


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [45 PL, 7CP, 734pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

Legion: Emperor's Children

+ Stratagems +

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Dark Disciples [1 PL, 10pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon

+ HQ +

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 72pts]: Blissful Devotion, Mark of Slaanesh, Remnant of the Maraviglia, Warpsight Plea

Sorcerer [6 PL, 88pts]: Bolt pistol, Delightful Agonies, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience

+ Troops +

Noise Marines [11 PL, 188pts]
. 2x Marine w/ Blastmaster: 2x Blastmaster, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. 7x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Sonic Blaster
. Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Sonic blaster

Noise Marines [11 PL, 188pts]
. 2x Marine w/ Blastmaster: 2x Blastmaster, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. 7x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Sonic Blaster
. Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Sonic blaster

Noise Marines [11 PL, 188pts]
. 2x Marine w/ Blastmaster: 2x Blastmaster, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. 7x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Sonic Blaster
. Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Sonic blaster

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [60 PL, 5CP, 1,096pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment CP [5CP]

Legion: Emperor's Children

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 117pts]: 2. Intoxicating Musk, Combi-melta, Mark of Slaanesh, Power fist, Warlord

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 117pts]: Combi-melta, Mark of Slaanesh, Power fist, Raiment Repulsive

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 162pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Combi-bolter
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Boltgun, 7x Frag & Krak grenades
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 162pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Combi-bolter
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Boltgun, 7x Frag & Krak grenades
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 104pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Combi-bolter
. 5x Marine w/ Boltgun: 5x Bolt pistol, 5x Boltgun, 5x Frag & Krak grenades
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon

+ Heavy Support +

Hellforged Scorpius [12 PL, 217pts]: Combi-bolter, Mark of Slaanesh, Scorpius multi-launcher

Hellforged Scorpius [12 PL, 217pts]: Combi-bolter, Mark of Slaanesh, Scorpius multi-launcher

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Renegades & Heretics) [15 PL, 5CP, 170pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Renegade Commander [3 PL, 25pts]: Autogun, Chainsword

Renegade Commander [3 PL, 25pts]: Brutal Assault weapon, Lasgun

+ Troops +

Renegade Militia Squad [3 PL, 40pts]
. Renegade Militia Champion: Autogun
. 9x Renegade Militia with Autogun: 9x Frag grenade

Renegade Militia Squad [3 PL, 40pts]
. Renegade Militia Champion: Autogun
. 9x Renegade Militia with Autogun: 9x Frag grenade

Renegade Militia Squad [3 PL, 40pts]
. Renegade Militia Champion: Autogun
. 9x Renegade Militia with Autogun: 9x Frag grenade

++ Total: [120 PL, 17CP, 2,000pts] ++

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Man, this is the list I was looking at trying to do.
I sent you another PM btw.

As for the list, it definitely pumps out enough shots to handle a lot of different things.
I would personally make one unit of 20 NM and two 5 man units. While you are losing 2 BM, just hear me out. Firstly, when you combo Pres, Delightful Agonies VotLW, Excruciating Frequencies, AND Endless Cacophany, you will be getting the most out of it since you'll be affecting to most models that you possibly can. I've seen the full potential of this unit when you pour one round of CPs into them to double tap 3 S5 D2 sonic blasters, it's rediculous.

Furthermore, if you are wanting to maximize the effectiveness of Endless Cacophany, what if you also droped the CSM squads down to 5 a piece (losing two lascannons), but reinvested them into a 5 man Havoc squad with 4? This way when you double tap on the one squad you get 4 extra shots instead of 2.

Lastly, and I will start by saying that I think I am wrong in this, but I'd like correction if I am not.
I was under the impression that by adding Heretics and Renegades, that it would cause your army to no longer be Battle Forged. Since they can't based on being Chaos (from the big FAQ), this is due to them gaining Covenant of Slaanesh as their keywork, and not Slaanesh. Idk if this has merit and would like clarification on it myself.
But if it does mean that they still are, then they are an auto include. I had just gotten hung up on that when I had explored it.

I'm gonna work on a similar list and send it to you, if you don't mind

Hi Billie_Joe - thanks for the quick response!

I'm tempted by the big unit of 20, but I think it'll get focus-fired down to size in short order, whereas the multiple 10 man squads increases threat saturation rather than presenting one big target.

I did think about the havocs - same problem, and no ablative wounds each dead havoc is a lost lascannon, whereas the CSM can more comfortably sit on objectives and continue to contribute for the long term... Although if I replaced all the CSM with cultists I could afford 2 squads of lascannon havocs which would be tasty...

Lastly, damn. I think you might be right. In any case, I can't give them Covenant of Slaanesh unless the renegade commander is the Warlord - so that's a non-starter. Back to the drawing board!

Would love to see your take on the list - maybe spice it up with a bit more of a CC emphasis?



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok, so I've shelved the R&H, and have gone with the following:

An extra Dark Apostle to chuck out a defensive buff (who also benefits from the one unit of Dark Disciples if they stick together), and the Master of Executions as another Heroic-Intervention threat to back up the gunline.
To expand on this, Incessant Disdain is a great start for 1 CP, allowing a character to make a 6" Heroic-Intervention, and because the Lords have jump packs they can move over my models to engage the foe - this can act as a charger-deterrant, but it can also get my Noise Marines out of a scrap - and I've chosen power fists because thunder hammers are too expensive for the job - and it's regularly tyrants/the Swarmlord that survive to charge me, so fists it is.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [69 PL, 7CP, 1,168pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

Legion: Emperor's Children

+ Stratagems +

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic) [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Dark Disciples [1 PL, 10pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon

+ HQ +

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 72pts]: Blissful Devotion, Mark of Slaanesh, Remnant of the Maraviglia, Warpsight Plea

Sorcerer [6 PL, 88pts]: Bolt pistol, Delightful Agonies, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience

+ Troops +

Noise Marines [11 PL, 188pts]
. 2x Marine w/ Blastmaster: 2x Blastmaster, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. 7x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Sonic Blaster
. Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Sonic blaster

Noise Marines [11 PL, 188pts]
. 2x Marine w/ Blastmaster: 2x Blastmaster, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. 7x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Sonic Blaster
. Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Sonic blaster

Noise Marines [11 PL, 188pts]
. 2x Marine w/ Blastmaster: 2x Blastmaster, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. 7x Marine w/ Sonic blaster: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Sonic Blaster
. Noise Champion: Combi-bolter, Sonic blaster

+ Heavy Support +

Hellforged Scorpius [12 PL, 217pts]: Combi-bolter, Mark of Slaanesh, Scorpius multi-launcher

Hellforged Scorpius [12 PL, 217pts]: Combi-bolter, Mark of Slaanesh, Scorpius multi-launcher

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [31 PL, 5CP, 580pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment CP [5CP]

Legion: Emperor's Children

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 117pts]: Combi-melta, Mark of Slaanesh, Power fist, Raiment Repulsive

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 102pts]: 2. Intoxicating Musk, Bolt pistol, Mark of Slaanesh, Power fist, Warlord

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun: 9x Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 161pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainaxe
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Boltgun, 7x Frag & Krak grenades
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon

Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 160pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Boltgun, 7x Frag & Krak grenades
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Lascannon

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [18 PL, 5CP, 252pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment CP [5CP]

Legion: Emperor's Children

+ HQ +

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 72pts]: Benediction of Darkness, Blissful Devotion, Mark of Slaanesh

Master of Executions [4 PL, 60pts]: Mark of Slaanesh

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun: 9x Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun: 9x Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun: 9x Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

++ Total: [118 PL, 17CP, 2,000pts] ++

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