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Hiya. Yesterday while going to AOS game it occured to me that shouldn't the general's handbook release date have been around this time of year? Albeit corona likely has affected things but is there any word on it? Guess month it's coming is too much to ask but anything of interest on contents leaked/rumoured anywhere?

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Well, WHC had a preview on the 2018 one on June 15th, and for the 2019 on June 9th - so assuming there is a pattern we are already late.

Things are all messed up this year of course, and since all books are printed in China, there is a good chance this years GHB is delayed a good bit. With the lead time on production it could have been scheduled for printing in early 2020...

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They might even delay it since its purely a rule book and people just can't game right now. Delaying it until later in the year when people can at least get out and game once again - that is assuming lockdowns don't get restarted.

   
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 Overread wrote:
They might even delay it since its purely a rule book and people just can't game right now. Delaying it until later in the year when people can at least get out and game once again - that is assuming lockdowns don't get restarted.


9th ed is also rulebook. I don't think that idea holds water especially as many countries restrictions are already being lifted and gaming starting up. Now delays are obviously quite possible anyway. Personally I'm expecting it now somewhere around august-september. But was more interested on any hints on what is in it besides new point cost tables.

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9thed isn't a rulebook - its an edition change that also comes with a massive release of new models.

My point was that the generals handbook is mostly just pure rules. There's no model additions or updates that twin with it (typically though I have wondered if the new giants might so tha tthe GHB has their rules/provisions as allies). So it's just a book on its own so GW can hold it back until later without it impacting things so heavily.

Something like 9th edition is massive in marketing and new models and as a result its not something GW can hold in reserve for a few months more .

   
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I think if they had it, they would sell it. I can't think of a good reason to just sit on a stack of books.

Other than a delay in production I can see an argument for "they can not get stuff out the door fast enough" though. We have heard about and seen so much new stuff already, all still waiting for a week to get released - maybe the GHB is just not important enough right now.
   
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Normal release is in july, so dont expect the book before late agust/september this year.
Had things been normal we would have had the elf release in march/april and that new giant faction around now, keeping end of july open for GHB20.

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The General's Handbook also missed out on a lot of tournament feedback due to the pandemic. We'll have to waith and see if they decide to wait until next year or go ahead without that feedback.

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 Ghaz wrote:
The General's Handbook also missed out on a lot of tournament feedback due to the pandemic. We'll have to waith and see if they decide to wait until next year or go ahead without that feedback.


Eh lockdowns started around end of march/april. Lead times means not that many tournaments that are missed. You don't produce and release books all that fast. 3 months would be pretty short lead time for GW

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tneva82 wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
The General's Handbook also missed out on a lot of tournament feedback due to the pandemic. We'll have to waith and see if they decide to wait until next year or go ahead without that feedback.


Eh lockdowns started around end of march/april. Lead times means not that many tournaments that are missed. You don't produce and release books all that fast. 3 months would be pretty short lead time for GW

Plugging in some updated points before a book goes off to the printers doesn't take that much time.

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A better concept to review would be the comparison when 40K 8th Edition came out rather than the last two years' worth.

They don't want each system to cannibalize each other too much.

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From what I understand the books are already printed and have been received by GW. Warhammer Weekly mentioned this on a video last week or the week before. At this point the hold up is likely due to GW trying to figure out when to slot it into the release schedule. The used an off week from 40k to release the Lumineth box, and we’ll get 40k stuff for the entirety of July. If they slide in an AoS release it’s likely to be more Lumineth or the new giants. This means that GHB is probably destined for August at the earliest.

In the grand scheme it makes sense as the models from the two new armies are going to be way more profitable than a GHB would be. It is less than ideal for the rest of us, but that’s the way the news goes.

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I might be able to play again by August, so that's cool with me.

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 Ghaz wrote:
The General's Handbook also missed out on a lot of tournament feedback due to the pandemic. We'll have to waith and see if they decide to wait until next year or go ahead without that feedback.

There's about a six months delay between them finishing writing and them being printed/shipped. It's why you get things like GSC being over nerfed in CA2019 despite the tournament meta having long since moved on from them.
   
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The General's Handbook goes on pre-order next weekend:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/28/sunday-preview-calling-all-generals/

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"rules to create your own bespoke heroes" - that's exciting! I hope it's not one OP option in a list of otherwise crap choices, but I won't hold my breath. Should be fun in any case.

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 eohall wrote:


"rules to create your own bespoke heroes" - that's exciting! I hope it's not one OP option in a list of otherwise crap choices, but I won't hold my breath. Should be fun in any case.

Most likely only for Open Play, much like the custom character rules in the 2018 Chapter Approved book.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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A toolbox of options for narrative players to throw a party with is more like it!

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 Ghaz wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
The General's Handbook also missed out on a lot of tournament feedback due to the pandemic. We'll have to waith and see if they decide to wait until next year or go ahead without that feedback.


Eh lockdowns started around end of march/april. Lead times means not that many tournaments that are missed. You don't produce and release books all that fast. 3 months would be pretty short lead time for GW

Plugging in some updated points before a book goes off to the printers doesn't take that much time.
It takes a lot of time when those numbers are the result of data analyzation and play testing.
   
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Can't watch at the moment, any big headlines?

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Skies of Slaughter looks fun. Previous WD articles, of course.

Matched play gets "Coalition of Death", where allied teams go at each other.

Something about creating your a hero character from scratch. Sounds like an excuse for kitbashing if you ask me!

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SamusDrake wrote:


Something about creating your a hero character from scratch. Sounds like an excuse for kitbashing if you ask me!



I'm going to assume its like the unplayably broken, open play only character creation rules for 40k, at least until I hear otherwise
   
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So Sam Pearson, who did this section, said that it's by opponent permission to even do this, and that there is a section on how to convert your hero to points. finally all the fun heroes I created can actually be given points.

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I trust Sam to produce good results.

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Carnith wrote:
So Sam Pearson, who did this section, said that it's by opponent permission to even do this, and that there is a section on how to convert your hero to points. finally all the fun heroes I created can actually be given points.


OK fair enough. The fact they have considered how it might affect points alone does actually make me a little bit more positive about it!
   
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Table of Contents from The General’s Handbook 2020: What’s in the Book? article on Warhammer Community:

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cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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What in that table is point adjustements and the removal of realm magic items (etherial amulet)? Asking for an ogor player.

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guess they decided to delay the elf releases for a bit longer then.

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