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So I'm trying to get into warhammer 40k.
I bought the booklet with a singular marine, build it and primed it. I'm currently waiting on decent paint. Even before I primed my model I had already bought a cheap secondhand set from marktplaats. Within this 10 euro set i got 13 marines, with one made of metal. Any idea if this is a named character? I thought they were old because of the metal character, I then found the copyright year on the models which were 1991 and 1992. Not shown are two broken models that im glueing back together. The characters are a bit small, can I use them in games?

Other questions that I have are:
Who is the metal dude?
What collection or model does the ork car belong to?
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collection 10 euros

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2nd edition?

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more

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metal dude

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scale

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Yes you can. 100% yes.

And They Shall Not Fit Through Doors!!!

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 Insectum7 wrote:
Yes you can. 100% yes.

Cool, thanks

Do you know who the metal commander looking lord is?
   
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They are 3rd edition plastics, yes you can still use them.


Dont worry about the below untill your playing competitively or such as that's probably the only time the mm will ever count.
"Technically the modern version of these come on 32mm bases not the 25mm those are on, but base extenders and replacement bases are available. I still have 3rd and even 2nd edition metal mini's I play with and most people don't notice till they pick them up, though I have moved them over to the modern base sizes.


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niels718 wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Yes you can. 100% yes.

Cool, thanks

Do you know who the metal commander looking lord is?

Looks like the metal 3rd edition Captain with Power axe and Combi melta weapons.

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niels718 wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Yes you can. 100% yes.

Cool, thanks

Do you know who the metal commander looking lord is?
That's not a named captain, it's just a generic captain released around 3rd edition.

And They Shall Not Fit Through Doors!!!

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Ice_can wrote:
They are 3rd edition plastics, yes you can still use them.


Dont worry about the below untill your playing competitively or such as that's probably the only time the mm will ever count.
"Technically the modern version of these come on 32mm bases not the 25mm those are on, but base extenders and replacement bases are available. I still have 3rd and even 2nd edition metal mini's I play with and most people don't notice till they pick them up, though I have moved them over to the modern base sizes.


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niels718 wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Yes you can. 100% yes.

Cool, thanks

Do you know who the metal commander looking lord is?

Looks like the metal 3rd edition Captain with Power axe and Combi melta weapons.


Thats fine, it looks cool.

Are there any specifics for painting metal or is it the same as plastic
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Same as plastic. Clean it with alcohol (best idea, get old grease off). Undercoat (I use black matte acrylic in an airbrush, or actually Actie has a high-temp stove black paint that works very nicely as an undercoat. Be careful to shake well, very well, shake again, spray lightly in movements from side to side. Always start the paint sprying off to the side, do not bgin spraying directly onto the model... Wait to dry. Then, I will drybrush the entire model with thin layers of grey or white (or both, in that order). Then, I will paint with thin paints. Contrast paints work very well here, but most need to be thinned down 30-50% with contrast medium. Painting this way goes pretty fast.

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Witch Hunter in the Shadows



Aachen

Most of the size difference between that new marine and your old ones is due to the new one being a Primaris marine while your old guys are Firstborn - they have different rules and both are absolutely still legal and viable,and you can play them alongside each other.

Primaris have more wounds and a uniform weapons loadouts in all of their squads while Firstborn ("regular marines" ) usually allow more customization when it comes to that, like picking from a list of melee and ranged weapons for the squad leaders.

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Primer and varnish after you have finished painting are probably the main things, as metal mini's tend to chip paint when dropped.

I learned to paint on metal mini's so my advice is probably backwards to modern technical methods. I would probably say contrast paints are probably not going to give great results, but I haven't tried them on a Metal mini to be sure, i suspect you'll need a lots of thin coats.
   
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The underlying material shouldn't matter if you did a good primer job.

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NE Ohio, USA

Ice_can wrote:
I would probably say contrast paints are probably not going to give great results, but I haven't tried them on a Metal mini to be sure, i suspect you'll need a lots of thin coats.


Prime the metal models as you would anything else & contrast will work just fine.
   
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Navigator




Brisbane

Sometimes you might get a particularly pedantic TO who might specify only models from the last couple of editions. I was prevented from using my Stormtroopers as Scions one time for 2 apparent reasons:

1. They were sold as 'Stormtroopers' not Scions, therefore are completely different units.
2. If they were Kasrkin, then they *might* have been permitted as they were a more recent model. (This would be an exception to Rule 1.)

Other than those reasons, sometimes the older models can have variable sizes compared to the current ones. Land Raiders come to mind here.
   
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Huntsville, Texas

 Slayer6 wrote:
Sometimes you might get a particularly pedantic TO who might specify only models from the last couple of editions. I was prevented from using my Stormtroopers as Scions one time for 2 apparent reasons:

1. They were sold as 'Stormtroopers' not Scions, therefore are completely different units.
2. If they were Kasrkin, then they *might* have been permitted as they were a more recent model. (This would be an exception to Rule 1.)

Other than those reasons, sometimes the older models can have variable sizes compared to the current ones. Land Raiders come to mind here.


That TO sounds like a tool, and I would hate to be in any event he was running. Hopefully he got dumped as a TO after that.
   
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Canada

@OP,

You have a nice Patrol there. If you can get LA’s Totally Awesome you can strip the paint and start fresh. There are plenty of YouTube channels out there with practical painting advice to gain some confidence. A neatly painted model with a simple paint scheme is achievable with modest skill (I aim for neat and simple) and will look good on the tabletop as a gaming piece.


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2nd ed marines? Hell yes! You better show those off!
   
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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

Half of my Marines are 2nd Ed Marines. They get used all the time.

   
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Italy

Absolutely legal, even on 25mm bases (outside tournaments though, unless using adapters).

The ork vehicle is the 2nd edition trukk. This model would get more trouble than 2nd ed. marines as the current trukk is huge in comparison. I also have a couple of them and I converted both into buggies.

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nekooni wrote:
Most of the size difference between that new marine and your old ones is due to the new one being a Primaris marine while your old guys are Firstborn - they have different rules and both are absolutely still legal and viable,and you can play them alongside each other.

Primaris have more wounds and a uniform weapons loadouts in all of their squads while Firstborn ("regular marines" ) usually allow more customization when it comes to that, like picking from a list of melee and ranged weapons for the squad leaders.


I dont have a space marine codex but are the weapons the same in the newer edition? are there parts that need to be changed?


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 Blackie wrote:
Absolutely legal, even on 25mm bases (outside tournaments though, unless using adapters).

The ork vehicle is the 2nd edition trukk. This model would get more trouble than 2nd ed. marines as the current trukk is huge in comparison. I also have a couple of them and I converted both into buggies.


Sounds cool, can you show them?
   
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Upstate, New York

The marines look to be armed with bolters, with one missile launcher, and a pair of flamers (one from 2nd, one from 3rd)

The only reason you would need to swap weapons around would be for squad size. You only get on special/heavy per 5 guys. So the models are legal, but you might need to shuffle them around in units to make sure you have the right ratio of sergeants, basic guys, and specialists.

How effective they are on the tabletop is a whole other issue, as flamers are a little lackluster in 8th edition. But legal to play.

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 Nevelon wrote:
The marines look to be armed with bolters, with one missile launcher, and a pair of flamers (one from 2nd, one from 3rd)

The only reason you would need to swap weapons around would be for squad size. You only get on special/heavy per 5 guys. So the models are legal, but you might need to shuffle them around in units to make sure you have the right ratio of sergeants, basic guys, and specialists.

How effective they are on the tabletop is a whole other issue, as flamers are a little lackluster in 8th edition. But legal to play.


So I can make 2 squads with 4 marines, a commander and a heavy weapon marine? The other heavy weapon soldier being an extra incase i would want to change the heavy weapon of the squad?
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Upstate, New York

In your last pic, middle group back right guy is a 2nd edition push-fit flamer.

So it looks like your collections is:

Captain, combi melta, power axe
Sargent, bolt pistol chainsword
2 marines with flamers (special weapon)
2 marines with missile launchers (heavy weapon)
7 marines with bolters
Landspeeder (the gunner should have a multimelta or a heavy bolter)

Your basic marine tactical sqaud has 2 ways you want to run it.
5 man squad: 1 sarge, 3 basic bolters, 1 Heavy OR special weapon
10 man squad: 1 sarge, 7 basic bolters, 1 Heavy AND 1 special weapon. (you can’t double up in normal marine squads)

The metal guy is a captain (a headquarter choice) and a seperate unit from the tactical marines. Now you could run him as a sarge if you needed to (they can have the gear options of the model) but you need a guy to be leading your army anyway, and he’s who you have.

From what you have, your best bet is
Captain, c-melta, axe
10 man tac, ML/F
Land Speeder (you will need to find a gun for it)

With a spare ML and flamer marine to wait for reinforcements.

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I might have a Marine Heavy Bolger, message me (click on my name) with your address and I will send it to you.


Yes, got it here.

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 Nevelon wrote:
In your last pic, middle group back right guy is a 2nd edition push-fit flamer.

So it looks like your collections is:

Captain, combi melta, power axe
Sargent, bolt pistol chainsword
2 marines with flamers (special weapon)
2 marines with missile launchers (heavy weapon)
7 marines with bolters
Landspeeder (the gunner should have a multimelta or a heavy bolter)

Your basic marine tactical sqaud has 2 ways you want to run it.
5 man squad: 1 sarge, 3 basic bolters, 1 Heavy OR special weapon
10 man squad: 1 sarge, 7 basic bolters, 1 Heavy AND 1 special weapon. (you can’t double up in normal marine squads)

The metal guy is a captain (a headquarter choice) and a seperate unit from the tactical marines. Now you could run him as a sarge if you needed to (they can have the gear options of the model) but you need a guy to be leading your army anyway, and he’s who you have.

From what you have, your best bet is
Captain, c-melta, axe
10 man tac, ML/F
Land Speeder (you will need to find a gun for it)

With a spare ML and flamer marine to wait for reinforcements.


Are these the multi melter/heavy bolter?
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You got it!

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Upstate, New York

Yup. The Multimelta is an anti tank gun. It’s the one with the tanks, tubes and cylindrical barrels Heavy bolter is for shooting troops, it’s the one with the box magazine and ammo feed.

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