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App Improvements, Updates and a Month Free on Warhammer Community.


'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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I like that this is literally:

1. Update Power Levels
2. New ways to find stuff
3. ????
4. Profit off codex purchases!
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
I like that this is literally:

1. Update Power Levels
2. New ways to find stuff
3. ????
4. Profit off codex purchases!


Almost:

1. Update Power levels
2. Group stuff by faction hopefully
3. Army builder
4. October - profit off codex cycle
5. Future (I'd guess December or later) - game tracker and Crusade army manager
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
I like that this is literally:

1. Update Power Levels
2. New ways to find stuff
3. ????
4. Profit off codex purchases!


It sounds more like

1. Act on customer feedback
2. Still charge too much for a half-finished product

Sounds like it'll be a great app at the end of the year, but I'm not paying for it right now.
   
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1. Act on customer feedback

Nope. Promise to act on customer feedback.
They weasel-worded it, but today's changes were planned changes (ie, stuff they already knew was wrong when they launched), not feedback based. Programming doesn't happen that fast.

Our app development team has been working tirelessly – in fact, they’ve just pushed through loads of planned changes as well as moving some other ones forward based on your contributions

'Moving forward' always gets me as buzzwords. Its almost as good as 'restructuring paradigms.' Though in this case, 'moving some other ones forward' just means that they've reordered the task list and put stuff a lot of people complained about at the top, rather than what they had been working on.

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Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
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I don't own any 8th edition books other than my own armies so took the plunge figuring $2.50 a month for two months should be long enough for me to go through everything in the game. The app did answer a question I had about whether the Blackstone Fortress units had price increases- they do. If you want any Ur-Ghul in a Drukhari army, however, you should add them in as their Blackstone Fortress datasheet and save one point per model!

   
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Anyone live in Japan? I wanna know GW's reaction to the monthly price there.
   
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Just installed, seems to work on iPadOS 14 beta 3. However this is a frickn iPhone app?! Y not make it universal?

Not paying for forced portrait mode 2x zoomed POS with a terrible keyboard. Introduce a proper iPad version please if you seriously intend to replace digital rulebooks and codexes with this crap.

I'm missing the Books compatible versions already.. no splitscreening to have two separate documents open simultaneously, no bookmarking... what the hell GW! Learn how to use an iPad ffs

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United Kingdom

Needs iOS 13 so won't install on my iPad.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





There might be an iPad version coming..

They do say ‘now available for iPhone’ in the article.
It’s just the picture that generically says iOS.
   
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So I downloaded it with an open mind. I must be honest the app is terrible and lacks any real features. I can’t seem to get it to load on my iPad so no sharing data with my iPhone. Also, can you share it with your family members In iTunes or do I have to pay for multiple people in the same household?
   
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I think there are a bunch of puzzled people on GW's marketing team right now. They just did what they always do when they screw up - put out some weasel-wordy release about "making things better" that doesn't actually admit they released a terrible product in the first place, then give people a coupon to use with the useless product. Right out of the "Our car explodes and kills you? How about we make it right with a coupon to buy another exploding car?" playbook.

"This always worked a treat in the past, why aren't people slurping it down this time?"

   
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Texas

yukishiro1 wrote:
I think there are a bunch of puzzled people on GW's marketing team right now. They just did what they always do when they screw up - put out some weasel-wordy release about "making things better" that doesn't actually admit they released a terrible product in the first place, then give people a coupon to use with the useless product. Right out of the "Our car explodes and kills you? How about we make it right with a coupon to buy another exploding car?" playbook.

"This always worked a treat in the past, why aren't people slurping it down this time?"



This is not really a fair critique IMHO given such a ridiculous comparison between people dying due to fatal defects in workmanship and you not being able to look up information about your toy soldiers on your phone the way you want to.

I have mentioned this before, but for arguments sake, say you want a copy of the Space Marine codex, the Ultramarine Supplement and the Necron codex and their latest PA rules right now. Your options are: 1) buy physical books ($150 USD), 2) e-pubs ($122), 3) subscribe to app ($5 / month), Pirate (Free, but feel bads about stealing ) or borrow off your mate (you cheap skate ). I don’t know about you, but if all you are interested in is the rules and/or don’t won’t to constantly carry books around to your games, that $5 seems pretty reasonable. Even if I paid for a subscription for a year at a time, $60 seems to be a good deal still. Wait, what you mean there is more? I get another $1000 worth of rules content as well!

Now if you already have all those books and like hefting them around, then I can understand your argument that $5 may be a bit too rich. Of course what else in this hobby is $5 besides a pot of paint.
Please don’t misunderstand this as a ringing endorsement of the product. GW marketed something they haven't delivered on. That said, is the app useable. Yes. Does it offer good value despite its technical issues. Yes. Will I use it in its current form. Yes. Do I feel cheated, absolutely not especially considering I just got access to rules content that I didn’t have for less than 1% of its regular retail price .

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 Lord of Deeds wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
I think there are a bunch of puzzled people on GW's marketing team right now. They just did what they always do when they screw up - put out some weasel-wordy release about "making things better" that doesn't actually admit they released a terrible product in the first place, then give people a coupon to use with the useless product. Right out of the "Our car explodes and kills you? How about we make it right with a coupon to buy another exploding car?" playbook.

"This always worked a treat in the past, why aren't people slurping it down this time?"



This is not really a fair critique IMHO given such a ridiculous comparison between people dying due to fatal defects in workmanship and you not being able to look up information about your toy soldiers on your phone the way you want to.

I have mentioned this before, but for arguments sake, say you want a copy of the Space Marine codex, the Ultramarine Supplement and the Necron codex and their latest PA rules right now. Your options are: 1) buy physical books ($150 USD), 2) e-pubs ($122), 3) subscribe to app ($5 / month), Pirate (Free, but feel bads about stealing ) or borrow off your mate (you cheap skate ). I don’t know about you, but if all you are interested in is the rules and/or don’t won’t to constantly carry books around to your games, that $5 seems pretty reasonable. Even if I paid for a subscription for a year at a time, $60 seems to be a good deal still. Wait, what you mean there is more? I get another $1000 worth of rules content as well!

Now if you already have all those books and like hefting them around, then I can understand your argument that $5 may be a bit too rich. Of course what else in this hobby is $5 besides a pot of paint.
Please don’t misunderstand this as a ringing endorsement of the product. GW marketed something they haven't delivered on. That said, is the app useable. Yes. Does it offer good value despite its technical issues. Yes. Will I use it in its current form. Yes. Do I feel cheated, absolutely not especially considering I just got access to rules content that I didn’t have for less than 1% of its regular retail price .


Well the thing is $5 a month is $60 a year, and you still need to purchase separately 9th ed codexes to get access to them in the app. Also 3-5 years worth of app (approximate time span of an edition) comes to between $180-$300 (not counting additional codexes) so it is quite a bit more than "just a pot of paint" on the long run.
   
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 Lord of Deeds wrote:

I have mentioned this before, but for arguments sake, say you want a copy of the Space Marine codex, the Ultramarine Supplement and the Necron codex and their latest PA rules right now. Your options are: 1) buy physical books ($150 USD), 2) e-pubs ($122), 3) subscribe to app ($5 / month)


lot of people already sell of give away their 8th edition books, so physical rules for cheap are not a problem
might be more than the 20 as for the App until October but at least without new/unknown mistakes

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Colorado Springs, CO

Lol.

App was available on ios, so I downloaded it...

Went ahead and subscribed. I plan to cancel when the new codex I need gets dropped.

...but now the app doesn’t recognize that I subscribed and everything is still locked.

What a time to be alive!

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The Canadian Gate

 Lord of Deeds wrote:
Now if you already have all those books and like hefting them around, then I can understand your argument that $5 may be a bit too rich. Of course what else in this hobby is $5 besides a pot of paint.

Yeah, so suppose I get this app. At the end of the month what do I have? Jack squat is what. But with a pot of paint I could have a painted army! Or, much more likely, an unopened pot of paint! But at least in theory I could have painted something. And I still might one day! Really!

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I'm really glad to see they've put forth a roadmap for this one.

I suspect that a lot of this issue is related to Covid screwing with schedules and forcing work from home + layoffs and stuff like that.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
I think there are a bunch of puzzled people on GW's marketing team right now. They just did what they always do when they screw up - put out some weasel-wordy release about "making things better" that doesn't actually admit they released a terrible product in the first place, then give people a coupon to use with the useless product. Right out of the "Our car explodes and kills you? How about we make it right with a coupon to buy another exploding car?" playbook.

"This always worked a treat in the past, why aren't people slurping it down this time?"



I would only add that this isint a terrible product.

Its not really a finished item therefore I personally don't even classify this as a product, it lacks any of the features its supposed to have and even if people subscribe it doesn't recognise they subscribed...

This is GW execs wet dream though. They dont even need to produce any paper and people still gobble it up coz it has a GW product logo on it...
They can just recoup the £10 they paid college interns they paid to do this laughing all the way to the bank.


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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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Texas

The way some of you are acting its as if I am spending your money and not my own. Seriously, if you think I am a fool for paying $5 instead of $40 or more, that’s your problem not mine. Don’t let your rush to vilify everything GW lead you to cut your nose off to spite your face.


 godswildcard wrote:
Lol.

App was available on ios, so I downloaded it...

Went ahead and subscribed. I plan to cancel when the new codex I need gets dropped.

...but now the app doesn’t recognize that I subscribed and everything is still locked.

What a time to be alive!


So one of the bugs (which I have already e-mailed GW about) is at startup the app always loads the subscribe now or use free app options. If you subscribed, try clicking on use free app and you should be taken to the subscriber content. At least thats what worked for me.

"Preach the gospel always, If necessary use words." ~ St. Francis of Assisi 
   
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Someone has to say it: This app is a piece of gak and GW should be ashamed to release it in the state that it is in. The sheer gall of asking for a subscription when the app looks like it was built using an app factory is hubris of the worst kind.
   
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Nobody's making this personal except you, mate. If you think they've provided a great product that provides what you want, I'm genuinely happy for you.

The rest of us were just amused by the "You don't like our unfinished, bug-ridden product? Ok, well how about this, we'll give you two months for the price one! That'll make things better!" marketing PR.

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Colorado Springs, CO

 Lord of Deeds wrote:
The way some of you are acting its as if I am spending your money and not my own. Seriously, if you think I am a fool for paying $5 instead of $40 or more, that’s your problem not mine. Don’t let your rush to vilify everything GW lead you to cut your nose off to spite your face.


 godswildcard wrote:
Lol.

App was available on ios, so I downloaded it...

Went ahead and subscribed. I plan to cancel when the new codex I need gets dropped.

...but now the app doesn’t recognize that I subscribed and everything is still locked.

What a time to be alive!


So one of the bugs (which I have already e-mailed GW about) is at startup the app always loads the subscribe now or use free app options. If you subscribed, try clicking on use free app and you should be taken to the subscriber content. At least thats what worked for me.



Yeah, I tried that, and while it lets me get to the datasheets they’re all still locked.

I read the reviews in the App Store and it appears like this is happening to pretty much anybody.

Kind of amazing.

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 Lord of Deeds wrote:
The way some of you are acting its as if I am spending your money and not my own. Seriously, if you think I am a fool for paying $5 instead of $40 or more, that’s your problem not mine. Don’t let your rush to vilify everything GW lead you to cut your nose off to spite your face.


 godswildcard wrote:
Lol.

App was available on ios, so I downloaded it...

Went ahead and subscribed. I plan to cancel when the new codex I need gets dropped.

...but now the app doesn’t recognize that I subscribed and everything is still locked.

What a time to be alive!


So one of the bugs (which I have already e-mailed GW about) is at startup the app always loads the subscribe now or use free app options. If you subscribed, try clicking on use free app and you should be taken to the subscriber content. At least thats what worked for me.


How are you spending $5 instead of $40 ?

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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This POS should have been an open beta from the beginning.

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Downloaded it on my iPad and it’s clearly only meant for phones. Not interested if that’s the case, if they sort a tablet version out I might have another go.

It’s good that they’ve listened to everyone and are trying to fix things, but they never should have put out such a shoddy product to begin with.

 
   
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So here’s a question, do we fear for the future of Azyr? Should we expect the price of it to jump closer to the 40K app’s price?

 
   
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Decided to download the app and was tempted to subscribe, as currently building and painting up Necrons and thought it would be useful to check the Codex to make sure I didn't build any illegal combinations, and obviously don't want to buy the current Codex at this point.

Unfortunately the app just instantly crashes out on my phone (Samsung Galaxy S6) anyone else got it working on one?
   
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I did actually end up subscribing just to see how it all works. Now it seems that subscriptions are tied to single devices? I can't get to the data from my iPhone, if I press "restore purchases" after subbing to the app on my iPad, the iPhone just beachballs endlessly..

slow clap

And this "awesomeness" is supposed to replace the gorgeous digital editions of the rulebooks?? ......

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Oh hey, it no longer recognizes me as having subscribed and won’t let me see the data sheets anymore. Wonderful.

 
   
 
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