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2020/09/08 07:18:00
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Snord
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Are there any instances of Possessed World Eater marines in the lore? I've read the Heresy series and starting on Siege of Terra now but don't recall ever coming across a Possessed World Eater. The reason for asking is that I am painting up a World Eaters force and happen to have a random squad of Possessed (from a Daemonkin box in 6th/7th I believe). I'm not particularly fond of the models and trying to decide if I want to bother with painting them. I'm more of a filthy casual fluff player preferring to field a themed army. If Possessed fit with the lore then I would probably paint them up and add them to my army. If not, they can return to the pile of shame (they'll be in good company). Thanks in advance. Edit: Oh hell. Just realised my avatar of my Exalted Champion kitbash has wings! I really like the model and the unit in play. Apparently there is more riding on this than I thought...
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2020/09/08 08:39:12
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Reavsie wrote:Are there any instances of Possessed World Eater marines in the lore? I've read the Heresy series and starting on Siege of Terra now but don't recall ever coming across a Possessed World Eater.
The reason for asking is that I am painting up a World Eaters force and happen to have a random squad of Possessed (from a Daemonkin box in 6th/7th I believe). I'm not particularly fond of the models and trying to decide if I want to bother with painting them.
I'm more of a filthy casual fluff player preferring to field a themed army. If Possessed fit with the lore then I would probably paint them up and add them to my army. If not, they can return to the pile of shame (they'll be in good company).
Thanks in advance.
Edit:
Oh hell. Just realised my avatar of my Exalted Champion kitbash has wings! I really like the model and the unit in play. Apparently there is more riding on this than I thought...
Considering that the WE literally splintered, i am fairly certain there are a bunch that have joined the brazen beasts or other daemonkin warbands , (warbands that want to become Possessed.)
Further, this existed https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Khorne_Daemonkin_(7th_Edition) so yes WE possessed are a thing and they even had a daemonkin style list able to be built.
the Daemonkin booklet found in the last starter i believe, ( the one with the infiltrators vs daemonkin with venomcrawler and MoP) has an interesting tidbit on khorne possessed.
Basically, unlike the other bunch which can accelerate the possession process via psykers (MoP) khornate followers, don't do that and have therefore an higher attrition rate then other daemonkins in their creation, that said it isn't impossible and would technically lend itself to some higher echelons of ranks beeing filled by possessed.
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2020/09/08 09:59:13
Subject: Re:Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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I would say, in the absence of any specific fluff reasoning to the contrary, that there is no reason one shouldn't exist.
The World Eaters were pretty much heralds of Khorne even before they started painting their armour red, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine a Heresy-era or even later warband leader (As Not Online has said - remembering that there were many such warbands after the Legion was split up) making a pact and becoming a host, or even being successful enough to become a Daemon Prince *
* With the caveat that you use the whole 'suspension of disbelief' about a World Eater/Khorne lasting more than a few months as a result of continuously charging directly at enemies or fighting amongst themselves (which is really a problem with the whole concept of worshippers of Khorne in general!)
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2020/09/08 10:33:39
Subject: Re:Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Pacific wrote:I would say, in the absence of any specific fluff reasoning to the contrary, that there is no reason one shouldn't exist.
The World Eaters were pretty much heralds of Khorne even before they started painting their armour red, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine a Heresy-era or even later warband leader (As Not Online has said - remembering that there were many such warbands after the Legion was split up) making a pact and becoming a host, or even being successful enough to become a Daemon Prince *
* With the caveat that you use the whole 'suspension of disbelief' about a World Eater/Khorne lasting more than a few months as a result of continuously charging directly at enemies or fighting amongst themselves (which is really a problem with the whole concept of worshippers of Khorne in general!)
i miss the time where Khorne commanders were calculating cold motherfethers with a penchant for extremely violent tactics.... but alas the flanderisation of the lore is something to be bemoaned somewhere else.
frankly the fact that Khorne daemonkin list existed is reason enough imo to field some kitbashed khorne possessed. ( personal suggestion, get some of those new marines and mix and match them with the possessed kit. Leads to decent results, bonus points if you have some bloodletter bits lying around OP)
Also brazen beasts would seem like a natural fit for such hire and fight mercs that some WE turned into, not to mention that the daemonkin booklet proofs their existence.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/09/08 11:32:20
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Basically, unlike the other bunch which can accelerate the possession process via psykers (MoP) khornate followers, don't do that and have therefore an higher attrition rate then other daemonkins in their creation, that said it isn't impossible and would technically lend itself to some higher echelons of ranks beeing filled by possessed.
Khorne worshiping psykers exist, they can just never earn a Mark of Khorne. They use blood sorcery that's much less flashy and tends to focus around blood curses, visions, and summoning(including possession), so they're not a battlefield thing and thus not represented in 40K.
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2020/09/08 11:39:47
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Platuan4th wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:
Basically, unlike the other bunch which can accelerate the possession process via psykers (MoP) khornate followers, don't do that and have therefore an higher attrition rate then other daemonkins in their creation, that said it isn't impossible and would technically lend itself to some higher echelons of ranks beeing filled by possessed.
Khorne worshiping psykers exist, they can just never earn a Mark of Khorne. They use blood sorcery that's much less flashy and tends to focus around blood curses, visions, and summoning(including possession), so they're not a battlefield thing and thus not represented in 40K.
Yes, but to my knowledge these are something of a bloodpact speciality aren't they?
meanwhile the booklet clearly states that those seeking out khornate possesion don't do psy.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/09/08 13:13:07
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not really a Blood Pact specialty, they were required in 2nd Ed to summon Daemons. Possession doesn't happen spontaneously either, you generally require a psyker to summon the daemon to be put in. Random possession is specifically pointed out several times in various bits of fluff as a thing that happens to unsanctioned psykers or to people around/associated with such.
It's honestly one of the big issues with flanderization of the Chaos God fluff. Stuff like this was pointed out in Khorne fluff and mentioned that they could never earn his favor, which is all a Mark shows. It's only ever been a crunch thing that worship = Mark.
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2020/09/08 13:57:44
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Platuan4th wrote:Not really a Blood Pact specialty, they were required in 2nd Ed to summon Daemons. Possession doesn't happen spontaneously either, you generally require a psyker to summon the daemon to be put in. Random possession is specifically pointed out several times in various bits of fluff as a thing that happens to unsanctioned psykers or to people around/associated with such.
It's honestly one of the big issues with flanderization of the Chaos God fluff. Stuff like this was pointed out in Khorne fluff and mentioned that they could never earn his favor, which is all a Mark shows. It's only ever been a crunch thing that worship = Mark.
aye, i guess.
shame though, albeit i think with the option for the DA you can "count as " such a psyker, because that is what they kinda are in essence?
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/09/08 14:09:16
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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The way I see it is that Khorne doesn't favour psykers, but does approve of Sorcerers, provided they use their powers in a way that Khorne approves of.
The difference between a psyker and sorcerer is largely in how they attain their power. A psyker's power is natural, but can be focused through totems, charms, etc etc. A sorcerer isn't a natural born psyker, but through rituals, sacrifices and specific incantations/methods, can exhbit psychic/Warp phenomena.
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2020/09/08 16:20:35
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sgt_Smudge wrote:The way I see it is that Khorne doesn't favour psykers, but does approve of Sorcerers, provided they use their powers in a way that Khorne approves of.
Basically this. It comes down to the flanderization of the fluff. Khorne's disapproval of psykers and magic is due to its use in battle because it's dishonorable and improper combat for the blood to flow. Non-combat psychic powers, sorcery, and shamanism used outside of battle used to be fine(again, Khorne forces would be devoid of Daemons otherwise in the older fluff), you could just never earn a Mark.
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2020/09/08 23:49:11
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I always believed Khorne has no beef with psykers who use their powers NOT for combat, otherwise wouldn't simply summoning his demons provoke his wrath? Never mind that he is a being made of complete magic and lives in the realm of magic. Aslong as a psyker or sorcerer doesn't start shooting doomboots or boosting himself with his powers khorne should not care. I can imagine Foresight to be pretty liked by khorne as sorcerers can use their powers to see when the bloodiest fights happen, where the most carnage can be brought etc.. Only problem is GWs closed minded view of things so Khorne probably hates all sorcery regardless.
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2020/09/09 00:03:07
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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123ply wrote:I always believed Khorne has no beef with psykers who use their powers NOT for combat, otherwise wouldn't simply summoning his demons provoke his wrath? Never mind that he is a being made of complete magic and lives in the realm of magic. Aslong as a psyker or sorcerer doesn't start shooting doomboots or boosting himself with his powers khorne should not care. I can imagine Foresight to be pretty liked by khorne as sorcerers can use their powers to see when the bloodiest fights happen, where the most carnage can be brought etc.. Only problem is GWs closed minded view of things so Khorne probably hates all sorcery regardless.
In AOS it gets a bit more murky as well. Remember the Khornate "Totally not a spell" endless spells?
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2020/09/09 05:25:49
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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cody.d. wrote:123ply wrote:I always believed Khorne has no beef with psykers who use their powers NOT for combat, otherwise wouldn't simply summoning his demons provoke his wrath? Never mind that he is a being made of complete magic and lives in the realm of magic. Aslong as a psyker or sorcerer doesn't start shooting doomboots or boosting himself with his powers khorne should not care. I can imagine Foresight to be pretty liked by khorne as sorcerers can use their powers to see when the bloodiest fights happen, where the most carnage can be brought etc.. Only problem is GWs closed minded view of things so Khorne probably hates all sorcery regardless.
In AOS it gets a bit more murky as well. Remember the Khornate "Totally not a spell" endless spells?
they're called judgements...but i guess Khorne loves semantics? Kinda thought that was Tzeentch's forte`, but whatever.
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2020/09/09 06:21:34
Subject: Re:Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Yes there are, I'm under the impression that all of the Traitor Legions have possessed, though the Night Lords and the Thousand Sons probably have few (the former due to not wanting to be chained to Chaos, the latter due to the Rubric spell). Here is a piece of art put out by GW. While it's not one hundred certain that these are World Eaters, there's a high likelihood of it. Bonding with Khornate daemons are a good way to boost one's toughness and ferocity to levels that even the Butchers Nails can't achieve, as well as creating some sort of symbiosis between a CSM and Khorne:
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2020/09/09 13:40:16
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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I'm gonna say there is a pretty high chance that those guys are World Eaters (or were at some point).
What an awesome piece of artwork.
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2020/09/12 16:39:35
Subject: Re:Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Used to be that Khorne hates sorcery when it was used for trickery, or Tzeenchian subversive tactics. Simply as a Chaos god he (it) can't ignore the fact that to deal with him at all, you have to use sorcery. I could easily see Khornate sorcerers using biomancy to enhance their martial prowess, especially. Or to divine information for raid tactics.
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2020/09/12 17:52:03
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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'World Eaters who seek to grow even closer to their bloodthirsty patron may partake in horrific rituals inviting possession by Daemons of the warp. A warrior claimed by
a Bloodletter has their body twisted into a living weapon, the better to harvest blood and skulls for Khorne, while the Daemon itself benefits from a mortal host that provides a permanent anchor to realspace.'
Codex: Chaos Space marines (8th ed.), pg.45
There's even a picture of a possessed World Eater.
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2020/09/27 10:31:04
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Cackling Chaos Conscript
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GW tend not to push to the forefront character options that aren’t tied to a specific model the company sells. So while there’s no good reason to presume there aren’t possessed World Eaters, possessed Terminators, etc., they don’t feature prominently in the fluff or art.
As other posters have said, it would be pretty easy to kitbash some between the Possessed, World Eater and Bloodletter kits.
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2020/09/30 00:50:53
Subject: Are there any Possessed World Eaters?
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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Read ADB's second Black Legion novel (Black Legion). One of the World Eaters' greatest fighters during the Heresy, Delvarus, is a Possessed Marine in the Black Legion at that time.
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The Circle of Iniquity
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