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2020/09/13 23:52:00
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
Now I have done some research and found nice things about the Anycubic and their Proton printer. Though with caveats.
But to ask Dakka, is there anything missing? £130/$169 is a great price for a 3d resin printer, is there a catch?
Please comment swiftly, the sale has 16 hours to run, and while Anycubic might be finding other excuses for sales I and I have no idea if this price will be matched in future, a five year anniversary is not everyday.
What about Eleegoo? What about Creality? Or do I just snap this up?
Also there is 1L resin At £30/$42 which is a significant discount. It's Anycubic resin so plus to compatibility but in general will I need, or should I get a different resin.
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I have the Anycubic Photon and it's wonderful. I got mine for $200 a little over a year ago. The reason they're doing this sale, aside from the 5yr anniversary, is probably because they're releasing their newer series "Photon Mono" series. These Mono printers have a monochromatic LCD screen that'll last longer and a slightly better resolution. Note that for these SLA printers, the LCD screen is considered a consumable, to a degree. Eventually it will fail through repeated use because the UV rays damage the LCD screens; the monochromatic screens are notably more resistant to this. Expect to replace the screen on rare occasions.
It's important to note that resin 3D printers are arguably easier to use compared to FDM printers, but they're *not* just press-and-go. It's a minor hobby onto itself, and supporting the 3D files becomes an issue. I and many others use the free program ChiTuBox instead of Anycubic's sliver program. Also, when you get your machine (not if!) be sure to update the firmware.
The resin I personally use is the Elegoo Grey which is marginally cheaper on Amazon. It's $30 USD for 1kg. I buy my resin exclusively on Amazon. You can run pretty much any company's resin on these SLA printers.
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Thank you for the swift reply. The Mono is much more expensive and while it will drop in price eventually the deal I have now is good. Also resin is expensive in the UK. £30 is a price for 500grams.
I will continue to use an Ender 3 pro for terrain prints and large vehicles, but having a second printer is a good idea IMHO.
Build plate is a tad small though 115mm x 65mm doesnt seem much, Fine for minis I suppose. Should be able to mount four on the plate and leave overnight. Good vertical draw though. I wonder if I could do buildings on this?
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2020/09/14 00:40:14
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
Follow up question here if anyone can answer it. I'm familiar with resin casting but not 3d printing. Does the Anycubic offer a sufficiently good enough quality print that I could use what comes out as an acceptable master to then make a resin mold from? Or will they all be covered in those weird lines?
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2020/09/14 00:43:26
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
You can print buildings on this, but the resin might get expensive. On the bright side, the print time per 'layer' is the same regardless of whether you're printing a thin pole or a giant brick. The number of layers is all that affects the printing time.
Note that the smell of the resin bothers some people. I've found no issues myself, but you may want to put the printer in a well-ventilated garage or somewhere.
I almost exclusively use mine for printing minis and bases. I've been able to fit 10 minis on a single build plate. If you're printing bits such as SpaceMarine shoulderpads, heads, etc, you can get an surprisingly large amount.
2020/09/14 00:43:40
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
Cant answer for the Anycubic yet, though the videos do show print quality, but resin printers are good for making masters. It is one of their stated uses.
Thanks for this. I will remember that in future. Though I dont like buying from Amazon.
I bought four bottles of resin three Anycubic grey and one anycubic clear which I will primarily use for glazing, though it will be a lot of just glazing so most will just be primered over and used like the grey. I didnt see the point of fancy colours and dont want white or black as its hard to judge the quality. Grey seemed the best option.
You can print buildings on this, but the resin might get expensive. On the bright side, the print time per 'layer' is the same regardless of whether you're printing a thin pole or a giant brick. The number of layers is all that affects the printing time.
Hold on if its SLA then build volume matters as the laser has to travel the entire volume of the layer. It's DLP that does it all at once. Or is the Anycubic Photon using MSLA?
Note that the smell of the resin bothers some people. I've found no issues myself, but you may want to put the printer in a well-ventilated garage or somewhere.
Is temperature important? If not I can print in the spare bedroom next to an open window, or in the garden shed.
I almost exclusively use mine for printing minis and bases. I've been able to fit 10 minis on a single build plate. If you're printing bits such as SpaceMarine shoulderpads, heads, etc, you can get an surprisingly large amount.
How long does it take for a batch of 10 minis?
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2020/09/14 00:53:46
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
Yeah, the Photon is capable of good enough resolution for masters, although I've not managed to get a print out of mine that is quite there. Finding the right settings for the specific resin you're using is key, although the split and orientation of the model on the build plate also makes a big difference.
Getting models that are good enough for the table is fairly easy. Getting models that are 'perfect' is a bit of an art.
Absolutionis wrote: I have the Anycubic Photon and it's wonderful. I got mine for $200 a little over a year ago. The reason they're doing this sale, aside from the 5yr anniversary, is probably because they're releasing their newer series "Photon Mono" series.s.
The Mono is on preorder discount, but the price looks like US only and isnt in the UK store.
Maybe its better but would I notice the difference?
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2020/09/14 00:58:06
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
insaniak wrote: Yeah, the Photon is capable of good enough resolution for masters, although I've not managed to get a print out of mine that is quite there. Finding the right settings for the specific resin you're using is key, although the split and orientation of the model on the build plate also makes a big difference.
Getting models that are good enough for the table is fairly easy. Getting models that are 'perfect' is a bit of an art.
That's a good enough endorsement for me. I'm not even thinking purely of human sized miniatures; I'm looking at tank parts as well. I'd like to be able to cobble together my own conversion kits and then cast them up.
2020/09/14 01:05:09
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
Orlanth wrote: Hold on if its SLA then build volume matters as the laser has to travel the entire volume of the layer. It's DLP that does it all at once. Or is the Anycubic Photon using MSLA?
It's mSLA, using an LCD screen to mask the light.
Is temperature important? If not I can print in the spare bedroom next to an open window, or in the garden shed.
You would need to check working temperatures on the resin. I would imagine that anywhere snowy might have issues with it sitting outside. Temperature also affects the curing time of the resin, so needs to be factored in when you are setting up the print job. Mine's in my laundry, downstairs, but I'm in Queensland, Oz, and the temperature under the house stays fairly constant.
How long does it take for a batch of 10 minis?
It would depend on the orientation and layer height. A batch of 28mm minis oriented vertically on the build plate at the finest layer height (.01) can take up to a day to print. At .05, it's more like 5-8 hours. Laying them down so there's fewer layers speeds things up, but takes up more room on the plate, obviously. Putting them at about a 30 degree angle hits the sweet spot between speed and print quality, although the precise orientation that is best will still depend somewhat on the miniature's pose and detailing.
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2020/09/14 01:11:38
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
insaniak wrote: Yeah, the Photon is capable of good enough resolution for masters, although I've not managed to get a print out of mine that is quite there. Finding the right settings for the specific resin you're using is key, although the split and orientation of the model on the build plate also makes a big difference.
Getting models that are good enough for the table is fairly easy. Getting models that are 'perfect' is a bit of an art.
That's a good enough endorsement for me. I'm not even thinking purely of human sized miniatures; I'm looking at tank parts as well. I'd like to be able to cobble together my own conversion kits and then cast them up.
Check build dish volumes. If you want to do something like custom long barrels your print volume may become relevant. However for odd out of scale items you can get it printed for you, it might be too expensive to get a printer for all your prints, get one big enough for the vast majority of jobs rather than pay 5x price for a large print volume.
Orlanth wrote: Hold on if its SLA then build volume matters as the laser has to travel the entire volume of the layer. It's DLP that does it all at once. Or is the Anycubic Photon using MSLA?
It's mSLA, using an LCD screen to mask the light.
Is there any practical difference between MSLA and DLP?
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2020/09/14 08:41:01
Subject: Re:AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
I really, really, really urge you to get the $209 Photon Mono, if it's not available yet it will be in a matter of weeks once the old ones sell out.
You'll get 3x the printing speed and 4x the expected operating lifespan of the screen, that's on average 12 times as many miniatures printed before having to replace it.
Plus there's an extra half inch of screen in both dimensions, that could mean the difference between printing a whole tank in one piece or not.
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2020/09/14 09:34:36
Subject: Re:AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
lord_blackfang wrote: I really, really, really urge you to get the $209 Photon Mono, if it's not available yet it will be in a matter of weeks once the old ones sell out.
You'll get 3x the printing speed and 4x the expected operating lifespan of the screen, that's on average 12 times as many miniatures printed before having to replace it.
Plus there's an extra half inch of screen in both dimensions, that could mean the difference between printing a whole tank in one piece or not.
How much better would the quality be? Or am I paying the extra purely for the screen life and print speed?
Also, now that I'm looking, is there any real difference between the Mono and the Mono SE?
They look pretty similar to me. Way I see it, the Mono is virtually the same price once the wash and cure machine + 1 bottle of resin is taken into account, so clearly it's worth ignoring the sale and going next-gen if I'm going to do this. So then it becomes a question of whether the SE is better than the standard mono, or at least, £120 worth better. From what I can tell, I get wifi functionality, but not much else for the extra hundred quid.
EDIT:- Hang on, are the Monos compatible with ChiTuBox?
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2020/09/14 10:32:41
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
The print quality won't be any different on monos than on previous models. Just waaay faster.
I would not get the Mono SE. The sealed housing with the door flap is annoying when you need to do maintenance, the screen is exactly the same, wifi is a trap option IMHO. The only real upgrade is a more stable Z axis, although I've not heard any complaints about the basic one even on the old Photon. If you want a machine in the 250 GBP range, I would get the Mars Pro 2 Mono, which again has the exact same screen and Z axis upgrade, plus an active carbon air filter and has the classic lid that allows full around access.
Yes, Chitubox will work for all monos.
EDIT: Oh, you can get a significantly sharper printer in the Phrozen Sonic Mini 4k, which is mono and has double the resolution (which comes to around 35 microns per pixel compared to 50 on all the above models) but their European distribution is gak and you will end up paying 400€ for a 300$ printer and struggle to get replacement parts. But it's the best machine of this generation by far. If you want to print masters for casting to sell, this is probably the bare minimum you need.
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2020/09/14 10:49:51
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
lord_blackfang wrote: If you want a machine in the 250 GBP range, I would get the Mars Pro 2 Mono, which again has the exact same screen and Z axis upgrade, plus an active carbon air filter and has the classic lid that allows full around access.
So hang on a minute. You said, 'don't get a photon, get a mono'. Now it's 'Don't get a Mono, get another company's machine altogether'?
2020/09/14 11:41:37
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
Something to take into account between the Mono and the Mono SE:- If you're buying it with cleaning machine and a litre of resin, the basic Mono package gives the resin almost free (whereas the SE does not). If there's only a tiny difference between the SE and the basic Mono otherwise in terms of platform stability and I'm basically paying extra for the shiny metal box; it seems like a no brainer to get the basic Mono. Likewise, given the choice between the Mono and the Photon, several videos later, it's clear that the basic Mono is far ahead of the basic Photon and only a few bucks more with the sale on.
So the Mono+washing machine+1L resin is sort of what I've almost settled on here. I figure that'll be a good learning point from which I can always buy a better machine later, and if I never use the thing, $345 is little enough cash that I won't kick myself. As a discount from RRP $530, that's a pretty sweet deal too. Any more advice is greatly appreciated though!
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2020/09/14 12:21:25
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
I'm a bit late but I'll echo some of the advice above in that I'd recommend getting only a mono LCD at this point. The screen is considered a consumable and it's not a question of IF it'll need replacement but rather WHEN. It's not like with TVs/monitors/cellphones where you just expect them to work daily for years. The mono screens print faster and last longer.
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2020/09/14 12:24:48
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
The mono SE has dual rail, which helps with stability, has wifi connection, it has a metal frame instead of a plastic one, a larger touch interface and a bit more potent of a led matrix.
I have the original Photon and never had any stability issues, and the rest... well, it is a touch faster and the metal frame is nice, but you can certaily live without that.
2020/09/14 12:33:09
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
What does this mean? What does the LED matrix do and how does it do it better?
That means that the UV light that crosses the screen is more potent, hence curing the resin faster. In the specific case of the Mono and Mono S vs the Photon S, it means that in general the Mono will print at about three times faster than the Photon S and the Mono S will do it about four times faster.
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2020/09/14 13:03:37
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
What does this mean? What does the LED matrix do and how does it do it better?
That means that the UV light that crosses the screen is more potent, hence curing the resin faster. In the specific case of the Mono and Mono S vs the Photon S, it means that in general the Mono will print at about three times faster than the Photon S and the Mono S will do it about four times faster.
Ah, I thought you were implying that the Mono SE had a better LED matrix than the Mono standard. Just a miscommunication there.
2020/09/14 13:09:15
Subject: Re:AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
I have the original Photon and the Photon S, and I like them both. I don't think I would bother with the zero, but I will mentioned - changing the screen is a bit of a pain in the ass. Nevertheless, I have been using mine pretty frequently since they have released and the only time I had to change a screen was when I accidentally cracked one (oops).
Also, this was alluded to but.. not all 3D resin is the same, even from the same vendor. None of it is "incompatible" per se - it's all UV reactive fluid that hardens at around 385-405nm wavelength. The problem is, not all of it is equally good. Anycubic's own green, white, and gray are all excellent, but their maroon is a nearly unusable horrorshow. Their eco-friendly resin is excellent and a little flexible, if that is something that you need (but expensive). I have found the eSun resins to be good, but their containers are awful and messy. So, ask for resin recommendations is my advice.
I have not found ambient temperature made a big difference for the anycubic resins - it works fine in the summer and in an unheated room in an Iowa winter - but it definitely does for the Siraya special purpose resins. So, depends on brand and type.
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2020/09/14 13:10:44
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
What does this mean? What does the LED matrix do and how does it do it better?
That means that the UV light that crosses the screen is more potent, hence curing the resin faster. In the specific case of the Mono and Mono S vs the Photon S, it means that in general the Mono will print at about three times faster than the Photon S and the Mono S will do it about four times faster.
Ah, I thought you were implying that the Mono SE had a better LED matrix than the Mono standard. Just a miscommunication there.
Well, yes, it is better in the sense that the UV output is higher, so it's faster. AFAIK, the actual configuration is the same.
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2020/09/14 13:23:34
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
insaniak wrote: A batch of 28mm minis oriented vertically on the build plate at the finest layer height (.01) can take up to a day to print. At .05, it's more like 5-8 hours. Laying them down so there's fewer layers speeds things up, but takes up more room on the plate, obviously. Putting them at about a 30 degree angle hits the sweet spot between speed and print quality, although the precise orientation that is best will still depend somewhat on the miniature's pose and detailing.
Although this is going to vary depending on your printer, I don't think printing at .01 is worth it. When I first started printing I did a ton of different prints at different resolutions and at least on my hardware and to my eyes, .04 is indistinguishable from .01.
Also, for the new people - you can input half steps - like .025? Don't do that, your quality will suffer greatly. The stepper motor can only really resolve in increments of .01, and is not good at microstepping.
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2020/09/14 13:25:36
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
lord_blackfang wrote: If you want a machine in the 250 GBP range, I would get the Mars Pro 2 Mono, which again has the exact same screen and Z axis upgrade, plus an active carbon air filter and has the classic lid that allows full around access.
So hang on a minute. You said, 'don't get a photon, get a mono'. Now it's 'Don't get a Mono, get another company's machine altogether'?
Ha ha!
My personal opinion as someone who has just bought a Mars Pro 2 is this:
If you want to buy an entry level but state of the art printer, get the Anycubic Photon Mono and you will be very very happy.
If you want to pay $100 more for a "deluxe" version, the Mars Pro 2 mono beats the Anycubic Mono SE on features and price. All 3 printers have the exact same LCD screen and should give pretty much the same results, I just think the Mars will be a slightly better user experience than the SE.
I would at this point skip over the regular Photon and Photon-S and any Mars without a "Pro 2" in the name. These are all great and reliable printers but they are last generation, the price difference does not justify the reduced performance compared to the new generation, and replacement parts will eventually be discontinued.
Nobody should touch the Photon Zero. That's a trap option. A very stripped down version of the Photon that has a massive drop in performance for a small drop in price. It's small, slow and low resolution even by last generation's standards.
I actually won the Anycubic coupon raffle when the Zero launched so I could have bought it for just $100. I did not.
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2020/09/14 13:56:03
Subject: AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
lord_blackfang wrote: If you want a machine in the 250 GBP range, I would get the Mars Pro 2 Mono, which again has the exact same screen and Z axis upgrade, plus an active carbon air filter and has the classic lid that allows full around access.
So hang on a minute. You said, 'don't get a photon, get a mono'. Now it's 'Don't get a Mono, get another company's machine altogether'?
Ha ha!
My personal opinion as someone who has just bought a Mars Pro 2 is this:
If you want to buy an entry level but state of the art printer, get the Anycubic Photon Mono and you will be very very happy.
If you want to pay $100 more for a "deluxe" version, the Mars Pro 2 mono beats the Anycubic Mono SE on features and price. All 3 printers have the exact same LCD screen and should give pretty much the same results, I just think the Mars will be a slightly better user experience than the SE.
I would at this point skip over the regular Photon and Photon-S and any Mars without a "Pro 2" in the name. These are all great and reliable printers but they are last generation, the price difference does not justify the reduced performance compared to the new generation, and replacement parts will eventually be discontinued.
Nobody should touch the Photon Zero. That's a trap option. A very stripped down version of the Photon that has a massive drop in performance for a small drop in price. It's small, slow and low resolution even by last generation's standards.
I actually won the Anycubic coupon raffle when the Zero launched so I could have bought it for just $100. I did not.
Just to clarify, this is the one you're talking about right? I see it listed elsewhere as the Pro 2, but here it's just the 'Pro':-
Could I have some detail on what this machine offers me over the Mono basic? I've more or less ruled out getting the Mono SE, so now it's a question of what spending that extra fifty quid would net me there. Comparing the specs, it actually seems to say that it would offer a slightly worse quality print and slightly smaller plate for printing if anything.
Thanks for taking the time to give advice by the way, to you and everyone else. It's helping me a lot.
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2020/09/14 14:22:56
Subject: Re:AnyCubic 5 year anniversary sale. - Discount 3d resin printers (limited time only)
Could I have some detail on what this machine offers me over the Mono basic? I've more or less ruled out getting the Mono SE, so now it's a question of what spending that extra fifty quid would net me there. Comparing the specs, it actually seems to say that it would offer a slightly worse quality print and slightly smaller plate for printing if anything.
Thanks for taking the time to give advice by the way, to you and everyone else. It's helping me a lot.
No, I don't think that's the right one. It has to specifically be the Pro 2, it will have the 2 printed on the front face in the item image and have a monochrome screen listed in the features (and has the same plate size as the Mono/SE). It looks like the correct one is not listed right now, probably the first batch sold out.
Comparing the Pro 2 vs the Mono, you get the same screen, a more uniform UV source (probably negligible but some older printers had issues with the grid pattern of the UV lights being visible in the prints), a more stable Z axis (again negligible), a carbon air filter (helps with smell and toxicity if you're printing in a living area, unknown if refills will be available tho).
Hmmm. I'm not sure I'm willing to pay an extra hundred quid for what seems to boil substantially down to an air filter on the back. Especially not if it's going to be a pain to find.
Anyone else got input? I'll pull the trigger on the mono an hour from now to catch the sale if nothing else comes up.
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