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2020/09/15 18:50:18
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Grand Illusion: At the beginning of the first battle round, but before the first turn begins, you can remove the C’tan Shard of the Deceiver and/or up to D3 other friendly NECRONS units from the battlefield, then set them up again more than 12" from any enemy models. If you do so, these units cannot charge in your first turn.
Veil of Darkness: Once per battle, at the end of any of your Movement phases, the bearer can use the Veil of Darkness. When they do, the bearer, and up to one friendly <DYNASTY> INFANTRY unit within 3" of the bearer, are removed from the battlefield. Then, set up the bearer (and the second unit you chose, if any) anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9" from any enemy models (the second unit must be set up wholly within 6" of the bearer).
If I have first turn, can I remove and setup units in my opponents deployment zone turn one using Grand Illusion? Same question in regards to Veil of Darkness, can I pickup and place into my opponents deployment zone on turn one?
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2020/09/15 19:14:55
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Confessor Of Sins
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Yes, as long as you follow the rules restrictions.
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2020/09/15 19:16:09
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Norn Queen
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Yes, you can. It's not the first turn yet so the rules about reinforcements aren't in effect yet.
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2020/09/15 19:42:16
Subject: Re:Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Awesome, thanks!
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2020/09/15 20:07:09
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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 MikeRizzLe wrote:Same question in regards to Veil of Darkness, can I pickup and place into my opponents deployment zone on turn one?
 BaconCatBug wrote:Yes, you can. It's not the first turn yet so the rules about reinforcements aren't in effect yet.
Even for Veil of Darkness? It seems that the first turn rules about reinforcements are in effect for that one.
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2020/09/15 20:29:11
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Norn Queen
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 DeathReaper wrote: MikeRizzLe wrote:Same question in regards to Veil of Darkness, can I pickup and place into my opponents deployment zone on turn one?
BaconCatBug wrote:Yes, you can. It's not the first turn yet so the rules about reinforcements aren't in effect yet.
Even for Veil of Darkness? It seems that the first turn rules about reinforcements are in effect for that one.
Teleporting isn't reinforcements. Only units that start the game not on the battlefield are reinforcements. You can use Veil of Darkness or Da Jump turn 1 just fine as they are not reinforcements. My apologies, the comment about "the first turn rules about reinforcements" only applies to Grand Illusion, I should have made that more clear. And even then, the rule about Reinforcements applies to neither since neither are Reinforcements as defined by the BRB.
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2020/09/15 21:07:07
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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MikeRizzLe wrote:
If I have first turn, can I remove and setup units in my opponents deployment zone turn one using Grand Illusion? Same question in regards to Veil of Darkness, can I pickup and place into my opponents deployment zone on turn one?
You can also do that when you dont have first turn.
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2020/09/15 21:08:51
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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BaconCatBug wrote: DeathReaper wrote: MikeRizzLe wrote:Same question in regards to Veil of Darkness, can I pickup and place into my opponents deployment zone on turn one?
BaconCatBug wrote:Yes, you can. It's not the first turn yet so the rules about reinforcements aren't in effect yet.
Even for Veil of Darkness? It seems that the first turn rules about reinforcements are in effect for that one.
Teleporting isn't reinforcements. Only units that start the game not on the battlefield are reinforcements.
You can use Veil of Darkness or Da Jump turn 1 just fine as they are not reinforcements.
My apologies, the comment about "the first turn rules about reinforcements" only applies to Grand Illusion, I should have made that more clear. And even then, the rule about Reinforcements applies to neither since neither are Reinforcements as defined by the BRB.
But teleporting fits the definition of reinforcements, did it change that much in 9th?
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2020/09/15 21:30:12
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DeathReaper wrote: BaconCatBug wrote: DeathReaper wrote: MikeRizzLe wrote:Same question in regards to Veil of Darkness, can I pickup and place into my opponents deployment zone on turn one?
BaconCatBug wrote:Yes, you can. It's not the first turn yet so the rules about reinforcements aren't in effect yet.
Even for Veil of Darkness? It seems that the first turn rules about reinforcements are in effect for that one.
Teleporting isn't reinforcements. Only units that start the game not on the battlefield are reinforcements.
You can use Veil of Darkness or Da Jump turn 1 just fine as they are not reinforcements.
My apologies, the comment about "the first turn rules about reinforcements" only applies to Grand Illusion, I should have made that more clear. And even then, the rule about Reinforcements applies to neither since neither are Reinforcements as defined by the BRB.
But teleporting fits the definition of reinforcements, did it change that much in 9th?
Yes. Reinforcements are units that start the battle in a location other than the battlefield. (Step 2 in the Movement phase, after step 1. Move Units is for Reinforcement)
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2020/09/15 23:27:40
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Norn Queen
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DeathReaper wrote:But teleporting fits the definition of reinforcements, did it change that much in 9th?
Yes, it did change in 9th. Some units have a rule that allows them to start the battle in a location other than on the battlefield; units that use such rules are called Reinforcements, and they will arrive later in the battle as described by their rule.
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2020/09/15 23:41:59
Subject: Re:Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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Note that these particular rules, in stating that the units are simply removed and then "set up" on the battlefield, now bear a lot more in common with how embarking and disembarking works than any kind of reserves.
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2020/09/20 13:06:13
Subject: Necron Grand Illusion and Veil of Darkness
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Even in 8th, using either on turn one was perfectly legal.
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