Switch Theme:

After MOAR MARINES, what kits should GW prioritize in 2021?  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in eg
[MOD]
Keeper of the Adeptus Arbites Flame






Cairo, Egypt

So yes, there will be MOAR Marines, and that ain't gonna change.

But beyond that, if you were in charge what specific kits would you make a priority for 2021?

For me the most glaring hole is the IG line. Most of the regiments are OOP, Catachans are mail order only and both plastic sets are old enough to join the army themselves.

My hope is for a Necromunda-like release with each regiment getting an infantry kit.

What else should GW prioritize replacing and expanding?

 
   
Made in us
Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests






Right behind you.

Eldar.

Guard don't need more model kits, they need a complete overhaul of how the faction works. Until there's an actual, meaningful difference between Catachan and Cadian and Tallarn and Vostroyan models? New kits mean jack. Wishlist for them all you want, but you need to accept that.
   
Made in us
Thinking of Joining a Davinite Loge





Philadelphia PA

Revamp Eldar - new guardians (that kit is ancient) and aspect warriors.

Dark Eldar - revamp to remove the remaining finecast stuff and add back in some of the missing HQ options (archon on jetbike, etc).

Do both in the same year, call it the clash of ancient kindred or something similarly pretentious.
   
Made in us
Mysterious Techpriest




I'd love to see Dark Eldar get some of the stuff back that they've lost over the years, and get some new releases in general. After that, maybe plastic Aspect Warriors, and then maybe some new Guard infantry units.

Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug

Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..." 
   
Made in us
Confessor Of Sins




Sisters of battle.

Yes, they replaced all the old units in new plastic and yes they gave us some new kits and datasheets, all fine and dandy.

If it had been done ten years ago.

The army is still missing some significant pieces and could absolutely do with a second wave of models.

2500pts
2500
3000


 
   
Made in gb
Norn Queen






Why speculate, it's just going to be EVEN MOAR MARIEENZ!

Add me on Discord: BaconCatBug#0294
+++++List of documents required to play Warhammer 40,000 9th edition+++++
Disclaimer: My YMDC answers are from a "What the rules, as written (or modified by Special Snowflake FAQ) in the rulebooks, actually say" perspective, not a "What I wish the rules said" perspective. Even GW agrees with me, send an email to 40kfaq@gwplc.com for a confirmation reply "4. Apply The Rules As Written. If you still don’t have a satisfactory answer, use the rule just as it is written if you possibly can, even if you are not completely happy with the effect the rule has."
Mathhammer tables for 2D6 and 3D6 Charging with various re-roll abilities || Stylus CSS theme for DakkaDakka forums to hide black avatar background and fully hide ignored users. || Userscript to add a button to open all "[First Unread]" links on the page, hides the "[Blog View]" links, and adds a "Subscribed Threads" link to forum pages.  
   
Made in ca
Ragin' Ork Dreadnought






I'd agree, with regards to the Imperium line, that the one that needs the most attention atm are Imperial Guard. The core infantry kits haven't aged well at all, especially when you've seen modern equivalents in BSF, and recent Necromunda kits showing that GW is more than capable of doing a multi-faceted kit to handle various regiment types.

Eldar are the next big one, since a huge chunk of their range is ancient and in resin. New aspect warriors are a given, ideally with each of their Phoenix Lords being updated as well. It's also shocking they still haven't released plastic Warlocks or a Seer Council kit of some sort yet.

There's some teasers for this already, but I feel like there should be HQ's or HQ variants that are long overdue to be released (with corresponding new datasheets if necessary). For example, Big Mek with KFF in plastic and an actual Warboss model that isn't just Grukk Face-Rippa, that ideally has a Mega-Armour option. Mad Dok Grotsnik direly needs an update compared to his Orky contemporaries. I could see this being part of a splash release that gives plastic kit updates to Kommandos/Tankbustas, alongside maaaybe Deffkoptas, since they're also still bizarrely available only as that ancient metal/finecast model.

Dark Eldar need some actual options for their HQ's. Having a "lieutenant" equivalent for each subfaction (Dracon for Kabals, Succubus Jr. for Cults, Haemonculus minor for Coven), or even just different equipment options beyond their immediate kits. Having Archon/Succubi on jetbikes/hover boards would make taking multiples at least different than a complete tax.


My milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard and they're like, hurr darry darr.


My suggestion to you is to get married, if you have a good wife you'll be happy, if you have a bad wife you'll become a philosopher. 
   
Made in nz
Infiltrating Broodlord





R'lyeh

Get rid of the last finecast from the Nid range, and replace the Gaunt sprues (may necessitate a dedicated Ripper kit).

By no means the faction aching for replacements the most but it's a small-ish scale release that would make them a "complete" range.

RevlidRas wrote:
The current state of Necrons is all a random lark by the Deceiver, who reprogrammed all the Lords to believe they beat the C'tan aeons ago, replaced their personality engrams with those of unused villains from Brendan Fraser's The Mummy series, coated everything in cheap bling, and even managed to convince them that they actually use clearly satirical units like the Tomb Blades.
 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot




On moon miranda.

Dark Eldar need a ton of gaps filled, they've lost a lot of stuff, some of them rather inherently core units, and that needs to be addressed.

The remaining Eldar 2E/3E sculpts, and 4E metals/finecast, need to be looked at. The vehicles honestly I think are all still fine, the Falcon holds up as well today as it did in 1996, but others...not so much.

Guard regiments obviously. Most of the metals are OOP except the Steel Legion Infantry Squad set, the Catachans scultps are both ancient and simply awful models (though admittedly less so for the more recent releases we've seen), and honestly I can't actually recall ever having seen someone play an IG army in person using Catachan models in the entire time I've played this game. I've seen people use catachans as plague zombies, cultists, traitors, etc, but not that I can remember as Guardsmen. The only time I've seen people play "catachans" is 8E for the doctrine bonuses to be perfectly honest, usually using some different model range. The current Cadians are passable if you swap on different heads, but are still 18 year old kits and all their faces look like they're battling intense constipation. The only newer lines are the now-OOP Vostroyans, the also OOP Elysians, and the partially OOP DKoK if I'm remembering correctly.

Tyranid Shrikes need to be a thing again, ideally with Warriors sporting a 3+ and Shrikes getting a 4+, those models were always rad. Some other kits could probably due with updating.


IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.

New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.  
   
Made in us
VF-1S Valkyrie Squadron Commander





Mississippi

The Eldar line definitely needs a switch to plastic, it would be nice to see it get some new units as well while they were at it.

I'll always take more tanks & vehicles for IG as well - and the infantry could use a fresh face.

It never ends well 
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran




I want to say Eldar- but with the current style, I'm nervous what we'd get. I like the sculpts- aside from the new Banshees and Jain-Zar.

I would be perfectly happy with GW producing the current failcast kits in metal again, doing a little re-tooling on some molds, and walking away.
   
Made in ro
[DCM]
Ambitious Archon





Port Carmine

Aspect Warriors...and Mandrakes

Kabal of the Mon-keigh's Paw
Coven of the Screaming Statues

"Death is only a concern if you're both weak enough to be killed and dumb enough not to arrange your own resurrection." PM713
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Agreeing with the masses, for 40K Eldar are in the most dire need (see the pun there!) of a major rework. A lot of older plastics and finecast that could do with a huge facelift.


After Eldar I'd welcome GW perhaps having some attention to the Imperial Guard. After seeing the Warcry and Necromunda kits I'd really love them to explore the different guard regiments again with regimental boxes. A block of core troops, heavy weapon teams, sergents etc... all in one box themed around one of the worlds, not just Cadia and Catatchan. I think GW could release half a dozen such boxes and give IG some of the variety that they had way back in the era of metal. They don't need to redo the tanks or most of the rest of the line, just the core infantry like that.

If they wanted they could put regimental insignia and upgrade icons into the troopbox as well so that players who wanted too could decorate their tanks.



Tyranids I'd like to see the Pyrovore/Biovore and lictor/deathleaper come out in plastic kits - I'd wager 3 models in each kit just like the zoanthrope and other kits. That would leave Tyranids all plastic barring one hero and leave them pretty modern all around. The only weakness then that I'd like to see fixed is giving gaunts a revamp with no more split heads and perhaps even introducing some of the weapons like spike rifles into the gaunt kit.



Right now I get the feeling that Eldar are the new Sisters of Battle; however once they are done we are into a world where its more a case of adding to armies and bringing them up in smaller stages; where huge reworks are nice but not "needed" to bring an army up to modern standards.
Things like adding shrieks to tyranids or restoring some of the heros that we lost when GW shifted to "no models no rules" (where they cut a good number from quite a few codex because those heroes never had a model).

   
Made in es
Masculine Male Wych





Yeah Mandrakes need a revamp, as good as they are every DE player would buy a couple boxes. Grotesques... we are just used to convert them I think, I don't even remember how that awful model looks.
Court members and Beastmaster and friends... well, they need a place in the army first, and then a model.

But I would prefer more variety for my army, new HQ equipment and special weapons units (trueborn, bloodbrides...) back.

The Bloody Sails
 
   
Made in us
Mysterious Techpriest




Aspect Warriors...and Mandrakes leaping off of decorative rocks.


Fixed that for you.

But yes. We do need those! Also - I actually forgot there are so many units still in finecast. I think anything in finecast should be prioritized regardless of army. Maybe do a few months of releases that are aimed at just eliminating finecast.

Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug

Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..." 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




Everything in FAILCAST the fact that GW are still selling that is wilful negligence at this point when you have to put more material in gates and sprue than in the dang model you know the medium is

If they can justify plastic sprues for Primaris LT Jimbob 17, they can certainly justify it for upgrade sprues and Independent Charictors.
   
Made in us
Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine





Every remaining metal model needs to be replaced with a plastic version except the Iron Warriors warsmith, for fluff reasons.
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Every remaining metal model needs to be replaced with a plastic version except the Iron Warriors warsmith, for fluff reasons.

I'll take metal models over failcast any day of the week.

Plus always nice to scare the newbies with how much your Models weigh compaire to theirs.
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran





 Vaktathi wrote:

Guard regiments obviously. Most of the metals are OOP except the Steel Legion Infantry Squad set, the Catachans scultps are both ancient and simply awful models (though admittedly less so for the more recent releases we've seen), and honestly I can't actually recall ever having seen someone play an IG army in person using Catachan models in the entire time I've played this game. I've seen people use catachans as plague zombies, cultists, traitors, etc, but not that I can remember as Guardsmen. The only time I've seen people play "catachans" is 8E for the doctrine bonuses to be perfectly honest, usually using some different model range. The current Cadians are passable if you swap on different heads, but are still 18 year old kits and all their faces look like they're battling intense constipation. The only newer lines are the now-OOP Vostroyans, the also OOP Elysians, and the partially OOP DKoK if I'm remembering correctly.


I use Catachan models, but mostly the old metals as they're better (even if only slightly) than the plastics.

But yes, I would love to see new Guard models, though I'd be fine waiting through Eldar releases beforehand.
   
Made in ro
[DCM]
Ambitious Archon





Port Carmine

Denegaar wrote:Yeah Mandrakes need a revamp, as good as they are every DE player would buy a couple boxes. Grotesques... we are just used to convert them I think, I don't even remember how that awful model looks.


That was exactly my thoughts. The finecast Mandrakes are awful, but the unit itself is very good (particularly in 9th), and I think they would sell really well. Grotesques, while also good and in crappy finecast, are very easy to kitbash with Crypt Horrors etc, so I don't think they would do as well.

Tycho wrote:
Aspect Warriors...and Mandrakes leaping off of decorative rocks.


Fixed that for you.

But yes. We do need those! Also - I actually forgot there are so many units still in finecast. I think anything in finecast should be prioritized regardless of army. Maybe do a few months of releases that are aimed at just eliminating finecast.


A worthy fix....ABSOLUTELY leaping off rocks

I wonder if revamped Mandrakes could double as something else in AoS?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/16 20:08:39


Kabal of the Mon-keigh's Paw
Coven of the Screaming Statues

"Death is only a concern if you're both weak enough to be killed and dumb enough not to arrange your own resurrection." PM713
 
   
Made in us
Mysterious Techpriest




I wonder if revamped Mandrakes could double as something else in AoS?


I could see them being something for Deepkin maybe?

Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug

Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..." 
   
Made in us
Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests






Right behind you.

Tycho wrote:
I wonder if revamped Mandrakes could double as something else in AoS?


I could see them being something for Deepkin maybe?

The concept behind Mandrakes is present in the Doomfire Warlocks, which are Daughters of Khaine.
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







I agree that I'd make the overall plan for the year moving Finecast over to plastic, along with a few low-hanging fruit that really should've been picked by now - a Shining Spears box based on the new Jetbike, for example, at 3 for £35.

Would just take a new sprue to upgrade the riders, including Exarch options. I'd take a SS Phoenix Lord, as well, though I suspect that'd be a character blister, rather than an upgrade option.

DE need at least a secondary generic character for each branch of the army (assuming that structure remains), a Grotesque kit with more than one pose, Mandrakes, and then some new unit options.

For Tyranids, Pyrovore/Biovore and Lictor/Deathleaper in boxes of 3 makes sense.

IG? One reworked Regiment (to test the waters - I'd lean towards Tallarn, or a Mordian/Praetorian set, myself), plus the return of Rough Riders.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Eldar.

Guard don't need more model kits, they need a complete overhaul of how the faction works. Until there's an actual, meaningful difference between Catachan and Cadian and Tallarn and Vostroyan models? New kits mean jack. Wishlist for them all you want, but you need to accept that.


Just because it's your little soapbox, Kan, doesn't mean anyone else has to accept your theory of how things should be.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 harlokin wrote:
Denegaar wrote:Yeah Mandrakes need a revamp, as good as they are every DE player would buy a couple boxes. Grotesques... we are just used to convert them I think, I don't even remember how that awful model looks.


That was exactly my thoughts. The finecast Mandrakes are awful, but the unit itself is very good (particularly in 9th), and I think they would sell really well. Grotesques, while also good and in crappy finecast, are very easy to kitbash with Crypt Horrors etc, so I don't think they would do as well.


Question on the Mandrakes, btw - is it the design of them that's a problem, or just the material?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/16 20:16:05


2019 Plog - Dysartes Twitches - 2019 Output

My Twitch stream - going live at 7pm GMT Tuesday & Thursday, 12pm Sunday (work permitting).

Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
 
   
Made in us
Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps




 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So yes, there will be MOAR Marines, and that ain't gonna change.

But beyond that, if you were in charge what specific kits would you make a priority for 2021?

For me the most glaring hole is the IG line. Most of the regiments are OOP, Catachans are mail order only and both plastic sets are old enough to join the army themselves.

My hope is for a Necromunda-like release with each regiment getting an infantry kit.

What else should GW prioritize replacing and expanding?


Eldar, eldar, eldar. They have most gaping holes in the model line, in the story and the most rules/points problems. Bar nothing.

Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
Made in us
Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine






My hope is that they continue to produce only marine kits, so as to drive away all the criers. That way those of us left can play the game in peace.

New guard kits would be nice, along with an update for Tyranids.

Eldar should just be squatted, they're not in power armor anyways.
   
Made in ro
[DCM]
Ambitious Archon





Port Carmine

 Dysartes wrote:


Question on the Mandrakes, btw - is it the design of them that's a problem, or just the material?


Unpopular opinion....I wouldn't be sad to see the back of the WoW Demon Hunter look....and they look a bit small now compared to the newer sculpts.

The main issue though is the the horrible finecast material. I was building some last month, and I honestly struggled to tell the difference between what was supposed to be detail and what was flash from the moulding

Kabal of the Mon-keigh's Paw
Coven of the Screaming Statues

"Death is only a concern if you're both weak enough to be killed and dumb enough not to arrange your own resurrection." PM713
 
   
Made in us
Mysterious Techpriest




Unpopular opinion....I wouldn't be sad to see the back of the WoW Demon Hunter look....and they look a bit small now compared to the newer sculpts.

The main issue though is the the horrible finecast material. I was building some last month, and I honestly struggled to tell the difference between what was supposed to be detail and what was flash from the moulding


Semi-agree. I think they have the same issue as a lot of the older models in that they now feel too small for what they should be. Also agree they need to be plastic. I'm actually fine with the general design, but with the new plastics we could get a much better pose out of them. Something that really shows them materialising out of shadow for example ...

Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug

Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..." 
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







 harlokin wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:


Question on the Mandrakes, btw - is it the design of them that's a problem, or just the material?


Unpopular opinion....I wouldn't be sad to see the back of the WoW Demon Hunter look....and they look a bit small now compared to the newer sculpts.

The main issue though is the the horrible finecast material. I was building some last month, and I honestly struggled to tell the difference between what was supposed to be detail and what was flash from the moulding


I can understand the material being an issue - and if they were transition to plastic, a little embiggening wouldn't be a bad thing.

Would you say the current look is an improvement on the originals, though?

2019 Plog - Dysartes Twitches - 2019 Output

My Twitch stream - going live at 7pm GMT Tuesday & Thursday, 12pm Sunday (work permitting).

Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
 
   
Made in us
Mysterious Techpriest




Would you say the current look is an improvement on the originals, though?


I sure as heck would!

Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug

Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..." 
   
Made in ro
[DCM]
Ambitious Archon





Port Carmine

 Dysartes wrote:


Would you say the current look is an improvement on the originals, though?


Oh, yes...the current sculpts look like shadowy Aeldari-Daemon hybrids, which what they are supposed to be. The older version had a BDSM-Coven sort of vibe as far as I recall?

Kabal of the Mon-keigh's Paw
Coven of the Screaming Statues

"Death is only a concern if you're both weak enough to be killed and dumb enough not to arrange your own resurrection." PM713
 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K General Discussion
Go to: