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Talking with my son - seriously, why wasn't the Emperor put into a Librarian Dreadnought instead of being interred into the Golden Throne.

Personally, I'm thinking there may have been some figures behind the scenes who wanted to remove the Emperor from actually participating in controlling the empire - mayhaps someone like Guilliman?

Well, the whole problem was the hole in the Imperial portion of the webway that Magnus created when he tried to warn the Emperor of Horus' treachery. It meant that it required him to stay put on the Throne and keep it sealed shut so that daemons wouldn't flood over all of Terra. That's part of the reason why the Emperor was stuck on Terra during the Heresy.

If the Emperor wasn't placed onto the Throne, Terra would have been boned since Malcador, his temporary replacement on the Throne, was on his last legs by the them they swapped places with each other, an Malcador was strong enough as a psyker to put pre-Molech Horus to his knees.

Also, it's also heavily implied that the Emperor as a Perpetual likely didn't need a dreadnough t or the Throne to stay alive, but rather it would take too long for him to physically recover/revive before the daemons breached through the Imperial Dungeon in Terra, hence why he interred himself in a state of borderline death.

Also, and need clarification on this: but isn't the Emperor vastly different than a regular Astartes? Like, he doesn't have all the gene mods and extra bits, and black carapace. He's literally just a perfect human psyker god? He can't wear their armor or be put into a dreadnaught.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, and need clarification on this: but isn't the Emperor vastly different than a regular Astartes? Like, he doesn't have all the gene mods and extra bits, and black carapace. He's literally just a perfect human psyker god? He can't wear their armor or be put into a dreadnaught.

Well, by the time you're put in a dreadnaught, you're often missing quite a few bits. Think, like, Robocop levels of damage. We've seen dreadnaughts that are piloted by a brain stem, an eyeball, and half of a jawbone. So it's probably not an anatomical issue. As far as I'm aware, there's no "just in case we need to plug you into a dreadnaught" organ. And if there is, apparently it's somewhere in the brain because I wasn't exaggerating about the level of damage dreadnaught pilots seem to have sustained.

The bit above about holding off the daemons in the dungeon is probably the part of it. The Throne helps enhance the psychic abilities of the person sitting in it. The life support thing is more of an add-on.

Wait till your kid finds out about the Star Child. Those will be some interesting conversations then...

Many a Thorian Inquisitor has argued the same thing.

The necessity of the throne aside, a dread probably isn't sufficient to support his Emperorness. He seems to be more than human, even more complicated than marines, both dimensionally and biologically. Marines are built partially for durability and redundancy, which is why a dreadnought life support system works. It's unlikely it could cope with the emperor, as a vastly more complex entity.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, and need clarification on this: but isn't the Emperor vastly different than a regular Astartes? Like, he doesn't have all the gene mods and extra bits, and black carapace. He's literally just a perfect human psyker god? He can't wear their armor or be put into a dreadnaught.

'Normal' humans can wear power armour and pilot dreadnoughts. The Black Carapace means Marines can more effectively control their power armour, and normal humans quickly burn out in dreadnoughts - humans on both sides (and the Thunder Warriors) used dreadnoughts during Reunification.

As Emperor from Text to Speech says "If he or the throne leaves the imperial palace all of Terra will be swallowed into a massive warp rift and everyone will die. That makes it not worth it, but only barely."

It's the Emperor's last, crushing Prometheus-esque punishment for hubris.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, and need clarification on this: but isn't the Emperor vastly different than a regular Astartes? Like, he doesn't have all the gene mods and extra bits, and black carapace. He's literally just a perfect human psyker god? He can't wear their armor or be put into a dreadnaught.

The Emperor's body has been genetically engineered; old lore he used to possess the minds of surgeons so that he could work directly on his own body. It isn't directly stated in the current lore, although it is hinted at when Malcador is described as being the most powerful unaugmented human psyker, which must mean that the Emperor has been modified.

I doubt the mechanics of a Dreadnought could have done anything for him. There's a reason the Golden Throne (aside from it's webway connection, which was never even part of the original canon, anyway) is the size of a building, and not a dreadnought sarcophagus. Plus, even dreadnoughts begin to break down. This had to last for the forseeable future of the Imperium.

Remember that the Throne also has to be able to channel the souls of psykers into him, and then channel his powers into the astronomicon, too.

 JamesY wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, and need clarification on this: but isn't the Emperor vastly different than a regular Astartes? Like, he doesn't have all the gene mods and extra bits, and black carapace. He's literally just a perfect human psyker god? He can't wear their armor or be put into a dreadnaught.

The Emperor's body has been genetically engineered; old lore he used to possess the minds of surgeons so that he could work directly on his own body. It isn't directly stated in the current lore, although it is hinted at when Malcador is described as being the most powerful unaugmented human psyker, which must mean that the Emperor has been modified.

There's a chance "unaugmented" refers back to the Shaman origin story - merging n other psyker souls into your own to amplify your power sounds like an augmentation to me

That is a false diconemy. It is not the only other option.

Reasons are twofold. One they needed the emperor out of the way in the setting so it is a post fallen world. Second fluffvice they solves this by having him sitt on the golden throne to stop the breach in the throneroom gateway.

There was no other option than for the Emperor to take to the Golden Throne.

It is only through a powerful psyker on the Golden Throne that the Webway Portal is held closed.

Magnus is the only other "human" with sufficient psychic power to hold that portal, and he is no longer an option since falling to Chaos.

The next most powerful psyker was burned to a husk after only a few hours on the Golden Throne. (So long Malcador, you were awesome!)

With no-one on the Golden Throne, the Webway Portal opens and Terra is flooded by a never ending horde of the Neverborn.

But don't worry about a Daemonic Incursion, Vulkan's fail-safe device will make sure that Terra goes BOOM!

Which takes us back to no other option than for Emps to sit on the GT.

Well they could blow up terra (and probabky screw the moon) and just relocate the emperor somewherr else. But the setting would not be improved by having the emperor walking around in a dreadnought.

Speaking of the golden throne, didn't the eldar help build it?

Does the Golden Throne still power the Astronomicon? IIRC in the old days the Emperor's mind was the Astronomicon and required 1000 psykers a day to keep it running.

In new fluff... who knows.

As they failed to create a stable access to the web way they have to use the astronomicon for FLT. The emperor is the only one that can power it and was struggling to do so from afar which was one of the reasons for returning to earth and putting Horus in charge.

Wasn’t powering the astronomicon for a short period what killed Malcador.

I also read something that said The emperor built the golden throne for Magnus... not sure if that’s cannon.

Anyway the golden throne powers the emperor and the emperor powers the astronomicon. Even if the golden throne could be turned in to a dread and the emperor could be sentient enough to walk around he couldn’t leave earth and he would still need to have 10k pyschers a day sacrifices to power the golden throne.

And as I hunk someone mentioned the throne is on top of a trapdoor with an army of demons underneath it.

If the imprium had any sense they would let/make Fabius bile clone a drone version of the emperor Full of psychic juice to Fuel the astronomicon and let the emperor ascend into a warp god so he can party with slaneesh. (His plan all along me thinks)

The Emperor needs to sit on the Golden Throne in order to 1. maintain the warp breech from the failed Webway project closed, otherwise Daemon will pour out and overrun the whole galaxy; 2. maintain the Astronomicom to let Imperial ships navigate through the warp. So he can't leave the throne.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, and need clarification on this: but isn't the Emperor vastly different than a regular Astartes? Like, he doesn't have all the gene mods and extra bits, and black carapace. He's literally just a perfect human psyker god? He can't wear their armor or be put into a dreadnaught.

Well, he certainly wouldn't be allowed in a rhino. Emperor or not, rules is rules.

By now have somebodt tryed pulling the plug on the webway? I asume it runs on some kind of power. Or is it like a wooden door in a physical doorframe?

 Niiai wrote:
By now have somebodt tryed pulling the plug on the webway? I asume it runs on some kind of power. Or is it like a wooden door in a physical doorframe?

IT's not that simple. Disconnecting from the webway DESTROYS humanity as a whole. They become seperated/stranded as they no longer have a way to travel the stars and doing anything to the Throne or the Emperor at this point will probably cause untold damage to Terra as its slowly falling apart and they have no idea how to fix the gak thats happening. The throne failing is a matter of WHEN not IF it just needs to fail at a point that makes sense story/game wise. The power the Webway runs off is pretty much Big E himself and unplugging it removes him from it and well thats either A. Gonna kill him or B. open up a massive warp rift on Terra pretty much dooming it and the moon DECIMATING humanity. And then leaving a back door for daemons to just waltz into the heart of the Imperium and without Big E humanity is left without a way to steer in the warp so yeah humanity loses.

Oh, humanity CAN still travel the stars without the big e on the throne. Warp travel and the astronomican are different but linked things.

BUT, having a constant reference point goes out the window. They'd have no idea which direction in which to travel, and be making blind jumps into the shallows and rocks. that's what the astronomican is. It's a celestial lighthouse beacon.

 chromedog wrote:
Oh, humanity CAN still travel the stars without the big e on the throne. Warp travel and the astronomican are different but linked things.

BUT, having a constant reference point goes out the window. They'd have no idea which direction in which to travel, and be making blind jumps into the shallows and rocks. that's what the astronomican is. It's a celestial lighthouse beacon.

Indeed, even normally there are ships doing ‘calculated’ jumps without a navigator, but it’s only even vaguely safe for short jumps along well known routes and it’s much slower as you have to keep exiting the warp to get your bearings and recalculate before jumping again.

 Dysartes wrote:

 JamesY wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also, and need clarification on this: but isn't the Emperor vastly different than a regular Astartes? Like, he doesn't have all the gene mods and extra bits, and black carapace. He's literally just a perfect human psyker god? He can't wear their armor or be put into a dreadnaught.

The Emperor's body has been genetically engineered; old lore he used to possess the minds of surgeons so that he could work directly on his own body. It isn't directly stated in the current lore, although it is hinted at when Malcador is described as being the most powerful unaugmented human psyker, which must mean that the Emperor has been modified.

There's a chance "unaugmented" refers back to the Shaman origin story - merging n other psyker souls into your own to amplify your power sounds like an augmentation to me

I don't disagree with you in principle, it is definitely a valid reading. I don't agree with it though, as to me, being augmented has a contextually specific meaning in 40k, i.e. bionics or gene manipulation. Plus I like the idea of him possessing surgical teams so that he can tinker with his own innards- very grimdark.

 chromedog wrote:
Oh, humanity CAN still travel the stars without the big e on the throne. Warp travel and the astronomican are different but linked things.

BUT, having a constant reference point goes out the window. They'd have no idea which direction in which to travel, and be making blind jumps into the shallows and rocks. that's what the astronomican is. It's a celestial lighthouse beacon.

Yes RG has been successfully travelling all over the place in the dark imperium without consequence

How do we know they didn't?

My new fan theory, Bjorn is the Emperor and Leman Russ is sitting on the Golden Throne.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
How do we know they didn't?

My new fan theory, Bjorn is the Emperor and Leman Russ is sitting on the Golden Throne.

Can't be so, because if it were the case we'd be talking about the Wolferium of Wolfkind.

If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device - Episode 12.5: Awful Answers, at 12:31 answers this question pretty well.

tl;dr Eye of Terror 3: Eye of Terroring would happen.