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After looking closely at the Leviathan Dreadnaught’s damage potential and ability of o tank wounds it seems like a steal still. Using the grav-cannons it can put out a whopping amount of damage. In my imperial fist list it can put out a whopping 24 wounds+ against a vehicle. It’s defense is also world class especially using the smoke launchers it has. On average a unit of 6 Eradicators only does 6.5 damage a round of shooting which isn’t even enough to bracket it.

Honestly, for 220pts it seems like a tanky death machine.

Thoughts.
   
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I'd say it's "good". IDK about a "steal".

As my book delivery is quite delayed (looks like this coming Saturday), can you tell me the points for the various guns? What's the basic loadout?

I hear 220 a lot but is that with stormcannon arrays or CCW?

What's the new Volkite profile on it?

Anyway, it's overall less survivable that before (T7, 5++), worse BS, loses core (I think? is that correct?), but a lot cheaper, and now has the option for decent Volkite guns that will likely actually get used (as opposed to old 8" flamers that usually did. . . literally nothing). Also gets more attacks when guns are equipped. Seems like an okay tradeoff to bring it in line with plastic dreads.

Personally I like it but I would have liked it to stay a little beefier (T8) just for fluff reasons and matching the way it looks. Also melta wounding on 4s instead of 3s now is kind of a big deal, but a 5++ does help. I mean seriously look at that thicc boi and tell me he looks less tough than an Ironclad boxnought.
   
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Volkites are Heavy 4, S5/6, no Ap and 2 Damage, with each wound of 6 doing an additional Mortal Wound. Would probably take them over the Heavy Flamers to be honest, but the range increase on the HFs would definitely help them out.

Overall it's a still a good unit especially with the significant price cut. I'll still be using mine, but it might take a while for the stigma (I guess) to wear out, for it to not be considered an auto-take/OP unit.

   
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My Death Guard Hellforged Leviathan less so...
   
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I honestly think grav-cannons are the way to go now. The stormcannon array just seems meh to me now.
   
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Loyalist leviathans seem like a decent unit, not quite backfield camper and too pricey for assault variant from my perspective. The 24" grav flux bombard is why it's a consideration at all since storm cannons aged badly.

The chaos version isn't worth considering unless you want it up close to die due to the shorter 18" grav flux for unknown reason.

Deredeos otoh are better than ever I think so that makes up for it.
   
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dominuschao wrote:

Loyalist leviathans seem like a decent unit, not quite backfield camper and too pricey for assault variant from my perspective. The 24" grav flux bombard is why it's a consideration at all since storm cannons aged badly.

The chaos version isn't worth considering unless you want it up close to die due to the shorter 18" grav flux for unknown reason.

Deredeos otoh are better than ever I think so that makes up for it.


lol, i didnt actually realise they had different ranges.

I'm still going to run a leviathan in my night lords, double clawed for her pleasure.
It being a lot cheaper makes it easier to run imo, even with the nerfs.


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Ya it's a weird difference maybe a typo who knows. Props to you for running a full combat version. I lean on other units for that role already so I'll be busting out ye old venerated sicaran now. I think the deredeo beats it out in shear damage, sometimes durability too but the sicaran has range and cool factor going for it. Plus it's black and that matters.
   
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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
dominuschao wrote:

Loyalist leviathans seem like a decent unit, not quite backfield camper and too pricey for assault variant from my perspective. The 24" grav flux bombard is why it's a consideration at all since storm cannons aged badly.

The chaos version isn't worth considering unless you want it up close to die due to the shorter 18" grav flux for unknown reason.

Deredeos otoh are better than ever I think so that makes up for it.


lol, i didnt actually realise they had different ranges.

I'm still going to run a leviathan in my night lords, double clawed for her pleasure.
It being a lot cheaper makes it easier to run imo, even with the nerfs.


Yup, another typo, another email to gw. *sigh* WOULD YOU PLEASE HIRE A PROOFREADER GW!

Anyways, I'll still bring my Leviathan out from time to time. He won't eat up as many points, and at least now he can have some missiles in that rack above his head. Just too cool of a model to let it gather dust.
   
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On paper they seem really solid choices.

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I haven’t seen the deredeo stats and points. Any large changes??
   
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I'm just over here wishing I could use the Blood Angels Legion Leviathan dread I have with the chest mounted assault cannons. I could always just call them Volkite (And will for gaming purposes) but I want to run it WYSIWYG if possible. It's not like it would take much to just add the option, either.

Guess I'll just keep waiting.

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broxus wrote:
I haven’t seen the deredeo stats and points. Any large changes??


I believe the main thing for the deredeo is BS nerf as well as the CP tax.

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I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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 Argive wrote:
broxus wrote:
I haven’t seen the deredeo stats and points. Any large changes??


I believe the main thing for the deredeo is BS nerf as well as the CP tax.


Did they get a price cut??
   
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broxus wrote:
 Argive wrote:
broxus wrote:
I haven’t seen the deredeo stats and points. Any large changes??


I believe the main thing for the deredeo is BS nerf as well as the CP tax.


Did they get a price cut??


Deredeos finally got access to the boreas missiles and to the volkite. They did lose the aura invuln option since that attachment never had a model

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Deredeo went to 190 base with anvilus battery now heavy 8 S7 ap2 2d and a hvy bolter. Now only 12w but duty eternal and of course cp tax. But the volkite falconet is interesting. 36" heavy 6 s8 ap2 d2 and 6s to wound is additional 2 mortals. That's a slick weapon for 10 pts more.
   
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Interesting option. Seems competitive. Likely the leviathan is still top dog, but not by much.
   
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 Red__Thirst wrote:
I'm just over here wishing I could use the Blood Angels Legion Leviathan dread I have with the chest mounted assault cannons. I could always just call them Volkite (And will for gaming purposes) but I want to run it WYSIWYG if possible. It's not like it would take much to just add the option, either.

Guess I'll just keep waiting.

Take it easy.

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Unfortunately, that's a 30k option, so unlikely to be changed (as I keep getting reminded when I ask about the Gorgon f.e.)
   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Red__Thirst wrote:
I'm just over here wishing I could use the Blood Angels Legion Leviathan dread I have with the chest mounted assault cannons. I could always just call them Volkite (And will for gaming purposes) but I want to run it WYSIWYG if possible. It's not like it would take much to just add the option, either.

Guess I'll just keep waiting.

Take it easy.

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Unfortunately, that's a 30k option, so unlikely to be changed (as I keep getting reminded when I ask about the Gorgon f.e.)


Hey at least now Contemptors, leviathans and deredeos can take their volkite weaponry. And levis finally get to use their missiles.

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Red__Thirst wrote:
I'm just over here wishing I could use the Blood Angels Legion Leviathan dread I have with the chest mounted assault cannons. I could always just call them Volkite (And will for gaming purposes) but I want to run it WYSIWYG if possible. It's not like it would take much to just add the option, either.

Guess I'll just keep waiting.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-


Unfortunately, that's a 30k option, so unlikely to be changed (as I keep getting reminded when I ask about the Gorgon f.e.)


Hey at least now Contemptors, leviathans and deredeos can take their volkite weaponry. And levis finally get to use their missiles.


The missiles were already available in 8th - the AA missiles for Deredeos are "new", though.
   
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nekooni wrote:
 VladimirHerzog wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Red__Thirst wrote:
I'm just over here wishing I could use the Blood Angels Legion Leviathan dread I have with the chest mounted assault cannons. I could always just call them Volkite (And will for gaming purposes) but I want to run it WYSIWYG if possible. It's not like it would take much to just add the option, either.

Guess I'll just keep waiting.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-


Unfortunately, that's a 30k option, so unlikely to be changed (as I keep getting reminded when I ask about the Gorgon f.e.)


Hey at least now Contemptors, leviathans and deredeos can take their volkite weaponry. And levis finally get to use their missiles.


The missiles were already available in 8th - the AA missiles for Deredeos are "new", though.


They weren't for chaos leviathans :(


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The loss of T8 was stupid.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The loss of T8 was stupid.


agreed, especially when the ironclad apparently has enough extra armor to get that +1T over other dreads yet the leviathan that's so much thiccer than it still is t7

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broxus wrote:
After looking closely at the Leviathan Dreadnaught’s damage potential and ability of o tank wounds it seems like a steal still. Using the grav-cannons it can put out a whopping amount of damage. In my imperial fist list it can put out a whopping 24 wounds+ against a vehicle. It’s defense is also world class especially using the smoke launchers it has. On average a unit of 6 Eradicators only does 6.5 damage a round of shooting which isn’t even enough to bracket it.

Honestly, for 220pts it seems like a tanky death machine.

Thoughts.


6 eradicators will one round it.

It can survive if it pops the smokescreen, but it still takes 12.54 wounds.
   
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Spoletta wrote:
broxus wrote:
After looking closely at the Leviathan Dreadnaught’s damage potential and ability of o tank wounds it seems like a steal still. Using the grav-cannons it can put out a whopping amount of damage. In my imperial fist list it can put out a whopping 24 wounds+ against a vehicle. It’s defense is also world class especially using the smoke launchers it has. On average a unit of 6 Eradicators only does 6.5 damage a round of shooting which isn’t even enough to bracket it.

Honestly, for 220pts it seems like a tanky death machine.

Thoughts.


6 eradicators will one round it.

It can survive if it pops the smokescreen, but it still takes 12.54 wounds.

To be fair saying the most undercosted anti tank can one round it isn't exactly saying it's bad just how rediculous they are. Heck they can 1 round even more expensive models.
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The loss of T8 was stupid.


Maybe its armor is decayed from being so old.
   
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Ice_can wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
broxus wrote:
After looking closely at the Leviathan Dreadnaught’s damage potential and ability of o tank wounds it seems like a steal still. Using the grav-cannons it can put out a whopping amount of damage. In my imperial fist list it can put out a whopping 24 wounds+ against a vehicle. It’s defense is also world class especially using the smoke launchers it has. On average a unit of 6 Eradicators only does 6.5 damage a round of shooting which isn’t even enough to bracket it.

Honestly, for 220pts it seems like a tanky death machine.

Thoughts.


6 eradicators will one round it.

It can survive if it pops the smokescreen, but it still takes 12.54 wounds.

To be fair saying the most undercosted anti tank can one round it isn't exactly saying it's bad just how rediculous they are. Heck they can 1 round even more expensive models.


Comparing anything to eradicators is silly, but since he gave wrong numbers in the first post, I was correcting them.
   
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SecondTime wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The loss of T8 was stupid.


Maybe its armor is decayed from being so old.


Then why are the Contemptor and Deredeo still T7? Shouldnt they also decay to T6? (Please don't read this, GW).
And what about "fresh" leviathans that just exited the Horus Heresy?

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
SecondTime wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The loss of T8 was stupid.


Maybe its armor is decayed from being so old.


Then why are the Contemptor and Deredeo still T7? Shouldnt they also decay to T6? (Please don't read this, GW).
And what about "fresh" leviathans that just exited the Horus Heresy?


I dunno. I think it got spammed too much and so *whack with the stick*. I personally find the odds of the Imperium keeping anything running that long to be basically zero, so in my mind they should be in 40K at all. Except maybe for chaos. Of course I don't understand how they keep anything running, either.

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