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New faqs are up, some include points and rules changes like the Necron and SM one.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-40000

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/07/the-warhammer-40000-update-new-points-scoring-and-faqs/ Also huge for the mission packs.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/76UtmPgtSCGKJAnW.pdf Munitorium Field Manual

A lot of the points changes are not in the FAQs, make sure you check out the Minitorium Field manual to confirm.

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*Page 74 – Player of the Twilight.
Add the following to the end of this Warlord Trait:
‘The limit of gaining or refunding 1 Command point per battle
round does not apply to any Command points gained via this
Warlord Trait.’


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Don't play 40K beyond open-play but I do enjoy reading and filing the updates for the Harlequins nonetheless.

I suppose it will be 2022 before we get the new codex.

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Some of the Genestealer Cults list has moved points from weapons to models quite wildly for no other reason than to make it a pain in the ass to work with, as far as I can see.

Aberrant have had a slight points drop with that in mind, but not enough to fix them.

Assuming Ridge Runners now include the base weapons inside their points cost then they've had a slight nerf, but they were pretty cheap so no big deal. If it isn't and they're just absent they've been nerfed into the ground.

This is not very clear in many places.

Brood Brothers basically made completely useless.

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Winged Hive Tyrant down 15ppm
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Hive Guard with shock cannons down 5ppm
Tyrannofex with acid spray or fleshborer hive options down 20ppm

The rest of the changes seem to be for rolling default wargear into the base point cost, such as Maleceptor no longer having a separate entry for talons that can't be changed.
   
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 The Phazer wrote:
Some of the Genestealer Cults list has moved points from weapons to models quite wildly for no other reason than to make it a pain in the ass to work with, as far as I can see.

Aberrant have had a slight points drop with that in mind, but not enough to fix them.

Assuming Ridge Runners now include the base weapons inside their points cost then they've had a slight nerf, but they were pretty cheap so no big deal. If it isn't and they're just absent they've been nerfed into the ground.

This is not very clear in many places.

Brood Brothers basically made completely useless.


It's same system as codexes. Base price is cheapest configuration, rest upgrades

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Something to note is that the Munitorium Field Manual update has Death Guard points costs in it, including the new units. Wonder if these are straight from the new book.


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 puma713 wrote:
Something to note is that the Munitorium Field Manual update has Death Guard points costs in it, including the new units. Wonder if these are straight from the new book.



Same with upgrades which are from (I assume) the new Dark Angels codex. Looks like they future proofed this PDF with the next couple of releases, which is interesting!
   
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 puma713 wrote:
Something to note is that the Munitorium Field Manual update has Death Guard points costs in it, including the new units. Wonder if these are straight from the new book.



Seeing codex was supposed to be out, that file supposed to be comprehensive point list and otherwise tons of no-sense point hikes...99.99% likely yes imo

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Wut? No point hikes for harlequins?

That's the army that needed a heavy nerf the most, lol.
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Wut? No point hikes for harlequins?

That's the army that needed a heavy nerf the most, lol.
Are you serious?

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 mokoshkana wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Wut? No point hikes for harlequins?

That's the army that needed a heavy nerf the most, lol.
Are you serious?


He is, they're one of the strongest armies out there right now.

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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Disappointing to see Eldar not get anything, but they're probably getting a book soonish then?

Troops all dropped by 2 points unless I'm mistaken.

Avengers are 13 points in physical field manual, and 11 in updated PDF version.

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I noticed that Imperial guard had alot of points increase, not sure if they needed any.. Dark Angels also have a new unit (deathwing strike master) and points for upgrading units into deathwing. Is anyone else concerned about deathwing terminators keeping their points intact?

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Really annoying thing is that this has made the Munitorum manual obsolete unless you want to go through every single hidden points cost (plus layout is different).
If they update the app you now have to hope they don't mess up the points (some are still wrong), so building a list and checking validity is going to be a nightmare.
   
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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
 mokoshkana wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Wut? No point hikes for harlequins?

That's the army that needed a heavy nerf the most, lol.
Are you serious?


He is, they're one of the strongest armies out there right now.
And they should be. Harlequins have spent two editions at the bottom of the pile. They deserve some time in the sun. I haven't been able to play mine much in 9th, but everything I have seen regarding them is that they are very good (but not brokenly so).

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Erradicators went up a mere 5pts?

Invader ATV - no change.

stopped bothering reading after that

Glad the big C has stopped me playing 40k... doubt i'd be having much fun on the comp scene (not that i have time for that anyway now!).

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Khahandran wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Disappointing to see Eldar not get anything, but they're probably getting a book soonish then?

Troops all dropped by 2 points unless I'm mistaken.

Avengers are 13 points in field manual, and 11 in PDF.


I would have thought they'd note the increases in their respective PDFs, like marines and other factions got.

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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Khahandran wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Disappointing to see Eldar not get anything, but they're probably getting a book soonish then?

Troops all dropped by 2 points unless I'm mistaken.

Avengers are 13 points in field manual, and 11 in PDF.


I would have thought they'd note the increases in their respective PDFs, like marines and other factions got.
Eldar did not get their own PDF for some reason. Hopefully it means a Codex in the next few months.

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 mokoshkana wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Khahandran wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Disappointing to see Eldar not get anything, but they're probably getting a book soonish then?

Troops all dropped by 2 points unless I'm mistaken.

Avengers are 13 points in field manual, and 11 in PDF.


I would have thought they'd note the increases in their respective PDFs, like marines and other factions got.
Eldar did not get their own PDF for some reason. Hopefully it means a Codex in the next few months.


I noted in the OP that everyone should check the Munitorium Field Manual, as most of the points changes are there and not in the FAQs.

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 mokoshkana wrote:

And they should be. Harlequins have spent two editions at the bottom of the pile. They deserve some time in the sun. I haven't been able to play mine much in 9th, but everything I have seen regarding them is that they are very good (but not brokenly so).


No army "deserves" to have time in the sun (or be at the bottom). They are too good. They won basically ever (non-Flordia-Men-rigged) large event that managed to somehow get off the ground in the past 6 months.

They are as close to broken as has existed in this game since the first Iron Hands nerf.

Also, if the most broken/successful army in the game does NOT deserve a point hike, how do you justify point increases for weaker armies such as GSC, Sisters or, for that matter, Space Marines?

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 mokoshkana wrote:

And they should be. Harlequins have spent two editions at the bottom of the pile. They deserve some time in the sun. I haven't been able to play mine much in 9th, but everything I have seen regarding them is that they are very good (but not brokenly so).


No army "deserves" to have time in the sun (or be at the bottom). They are too good. They won basically ever (non-Flordia-Men-rigged) large event that managed to somehow get off the ground in the past 6 months.

They are as close to broken as has existed in this game since the first Iron Hands nerf.

Also, if the most broken/successful army in the game does NOT deserve a point hike, how do you justify point increases for weaker armies such as GSC, Sisters or, for that matter, Space Marines?

I justify by trusting that the developers and play testers (who likely had a pretty big hand in these changes) deemed that they weren't OP.

Do you honestly think it is the army itself that is so broken, or is it merely one of its sub-factions, Soaring Spite? How many of those winning armies used Veiled Path, Dreaming Shadow, Silent Shroud, Midnight Sorrow or Frozen Stars as the main Masque?

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 mokoshkana wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Khahandran wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Disappointing to see Eldar not get anything, but they're probably getting a book soonish then?

Troops all dropped by 2 points unless I'm mistaken.

Avengers are 13 points in field manual, and 11 in PDF.


I would have thought they'd note the increases in their respective PDFs, like marines and other factions got.
Eldar did not get their own PDF for some reason. Hopefully it means a Codex in the next few months.

It doesn't. it just mean there aren't any rules errata or FAQ answers.

Most of the ones that got separate FAQs are little things- nurglings' Squishable and MW, path of the twilight for Harlies, etc.

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 mokoshkana wrote:
I justify by trusting that the developers and play testers (who likely had a pretty big hand in these changes) deemed that they weren't OP.

Do you honestly think it is the army itself that is so broken, or is it merely one of its sub-factions, Soaring Spite? How many of those winning armies used Veiled Path, Dreaming Shadow, Silent Shroud, Midnight Sorrow or Frozen Stars as the main Masque?


Well, the same thing always applies.

Why did Repentia go up a point? Clearly nobody thought Ardent Shroud Repentia are a problem, no?

Why did GW increase the points on the Castellan back in the day? Hawkshroud Castellans never made much of a splash?

Why did GW hike up those Dark Reapers and Shining Spears? Running them as Iyanden never caused anyone harm? Just like those Eldar Flyers never really were a problem outside Alaitoc.

Etc..

And the designers have made mistakes before, so it's prudent to point out mistakes again. That is why they fixed things like Look Out Sir or 55 point GSC Acolytes or Blood Angels getting all their gear for free in early 8th. People made them aware, as even well-meaning designers can miss things.
   
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 Latro_ wrote:
Erradicators went up a mere 5pts?

Invader ATV - no change.

stopped bothering reading after that

Should have read before that then. ATV is excluded from Combat Revival.

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 Latro_ wrote:
...doubt i'd be having much fun on the comp scene (not that i have time for that anyway now!).



I'm confused... I thought the competitive scene wasn't supposed to be fun?

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