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Abel





Washington State

Remastered into HD, but what was once state of the art on TV hasn't aged well, no matter how much HD Processing they have done to it. Even so, one of the best Sci-Fi series on TV!

Which got me thinking about Babylon5 Wars... anyone play it? Anyone know if it's played on TTS? Would love to get my hands on the rules. I used to play a lot of Star Fleet Battles...

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Some of the first season space ships are very creative ,but also wound up looking like screensaver random objects at times. I think they got a touch more sane as they went on, but yes one thing that ages poorly is CGI.

And yet if you power up something like the old Red Dwarf or Starwars- model based sci-fi ages pretty darn well.

   
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New Jersey, State of Perfection

http://b5warsvault.wikidot.com

Agents of Gaming might have minis for you if you're looking for those

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I found B5's CGI sufficiently stylized that for me it ages more like pixel art, still pleasant to look at while cartoony as ever. Other CGI of the period not so much. What might have looked sharp in its day now has the rough edges detracting too much.
   
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Grumpy Longbeard





washington state USA

Still fantastic even after all these years. i own it on DVD and have watched it through many times. still some of the best character writing/acting and development of any show ever put on screen.

As far as the CGI goes, yea it was dated especially in season 1 but the concepts and the attempt to stay true to the laws of physics(cross referencing with NASA while still fudging it a little to keep it entertaining) were a groundbreaking move that helped get us to things like the expanse.

As for the B5 wars game-
Absolutely still play. our FLGS has a dedicated player base and we use the conversions for star trek using attack wing ships and star wars using armada ships because the rules are so good.

chaos0xomega already posted a link to one of the best sites for PDFs most of us use when playing regular B5 or any of the many alternate universes it has been converted to.




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 Tamwulf wrote:
Remastered into HD, but what was once state of the art on TV hasn't aged well, no matter how much HD Processing they have done to it. Even so, one of the best Sci-Fi series on TV!

Which got me thinking about Babylon5 Wars... anyone play it? Anyone know if it's played on TTS? Would love to get my hands on the rules. I used to play a lot of Star Fleet Battles...


If you like SFB and/or Battletech then you should be good with the relative crunch of the ruleset. Did you find the rules at the link posted above? As I posted over in my new general space combat thread, I've been (re)looking at the Fleet Action rules and ship lists specifically for the past two nights. I even did a head count of my remaining fighters too, lol. I kept those even though I sold all the ships as I figured it'd be very difficult to get such perfectly small scale fighters in other games instead of punch out cardboard chits. I don't have any of my old B5 Wars stuff though so can't comment beyond vague and occasionally wrong remembrances of games long ago.

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Grumpy Longbeard





washington state USA

Did some B5 wars star wars mod tonight

Ambush of an imperial convoy. the rebels managed to wreck loads of tie fighters (not surprising) and knock out the engines on the target ship (nebula bulk cruiser) but failed to capture it.....although the engine damage forced it to miss it's docking schedule at the XQL platform.











the bulk cruiser and XQ platform are both 3d prints from mel miniatures shapeways store. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/mel_miniatures?section=Armada+Ships&s=0


He has loads of expanded universe ships that are not in armada but do exist in B5 wars.

We are planning another battle-capitol fleet ship battle

Bellator class SSD VS an MC80 and home 1 both with heavy fighter support. should be explosive.




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MN

Nice look game!

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Decrepit Dakkanaut





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 aphyon wrote:
Did some B5 wars star wars mod tonight


So you're using the Armada ships converted into B5 Wars? How are the relative scales of power between say an Omega class destroyer and an ISD for example?
   
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Grumpy Longbeard





washington state USA

the rules for star wars, star trek, battlestar galactica, wing commander etc... have already been converted over to use the B5 wars system. we use the armada miniatures because they scale with the size of the original B5 wars ships. the thing with star wars is that there are so many more options in universe for ships to use. that do not exist in the armada miniature line. B5 wars goes a bit farther including many more ship options like carracks, republic dreadnoughts, hapan ships, yuzong vong, lancer frigates, defense platforms etc... they do not exist as miniatures from armada but the 3d printed ones do exist on the store page i previously posted that are compatible with the armada mounting stands.


The power scale is what you would expect-the universes were designed to stand alone separately. they do not cross over well. the technology is not really comparable. B5 wars is a disparate tech base where you have lower tech "younger race" ships like earth using standard drive systems relying on armor and interceptors to negate damage that scales up to the ancients like vorlons who use living ships with organic adaptive armor and EM shields.

Star trek by comparison with few exceptions relies almost entirely on shields with ships that have far less mass/hull structure to soak damage with the trade off being in maneuverability.

Star wars ships by comparison go from being super maneuverable to very sluggish based on size but they more than make up for it in firepower, incredibly strong shields, massive structure and armor

We tried a battle one time of star trek VS star wars where we took a fleet of something like 8 federation capitol ships against a single standard star destroyer. we managed to get behind it and get through it's weakest shields and do some critical damage.....before it completely annihilated every federation ship.

a quick comparison for the omega-

925 points
6 main anti capitol ship guns (battle lasers/pulse cannons)
12 secondary particle cannons
4 interceptor/AA guns

VS a SW equivalent in points

950 points rebel assault frigate
shields -150/130/110 f/s/r
14 main anti capitol ship guns (twin turbo lasers)
8 secondary/AA guns

A standard ISD is magnitudes of power higher (and 2,800 points), a lone rebel assault frigate would turn tail and run if it came across an ISD.


About the only thing i think would give the empire a drubbing in a universe crossover fight would be the zentraedi from macross (yes that's in the rules as well) .

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Cool. I may disagree with how you stat'ed out the ISD (and Star Wars ships in general regarding their anti-ship capabilities) but the important thing is that it works for you. I agree though that the disparate tech levels and focuses of the ships present balance issues as that's why I asked about the Omega vs. ISD.
   
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Grumpy Longbeard





washington state USA

i am basing the weapons on their designed fire control systems anti-cap guns get hard bonuses against capitol and heavy combat vessels but negative mods against fighters. and vice versa

A standard EA battle laser gets a +4/+2/-4 with a -1 per 3" to hit respectively VS an interceptor MKII that gets a -/-/+8 with a -2 per 1" to hit.

Lets put it this way

Even 3 omegas working together to target 1 facing on an ISD would have to burn through 225 points of forward shields before they did any actual damage while the ISD would be doing direct damage tearing off weapon mounts or even entire hull sections in the same amount of time. the exchange would be incredible one sided. even though the ships are roughly the same sizes at about 1 mile long each.

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MN

Wing Commander you say!

I was just thinking about that as a wargame property the other day....

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New Jersey, State of Perfection

 Easy E wrote:
Wing Commander you say!

I was just thinking about that as a wargame property the other day....


EA owns the rights, good luck!

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washington state USA

chaos0xomega wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
Wing Commander you say!

I was just thinking about that as a wargame property the other day....


EA owns the rights, good luck!


To the VIDEO GAME licence not to the fan made conversion for a miniature game rules set that is no longer in production or under contract (effectively open source) that has already been fully converted into the wing commander universe. you just have to find ships and fighters to represent them. B5, star trek, star wars, macross and battlestar galactica are easy to find scale ships for.



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MN

I am sure somewhere in the 3D printed world a swarm of Dralthi waits......

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New Jersey, State of Perfection

 aphyon wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
Wing Commander you say!

I was just thinking about that as a wargame property the other day....


EA owns the rights, good luck!


To the VIDEO GAME licence not to the fan made conversion for a miniature game rules set that is no longer in production or under contract (effectively open source) that has already been fully converted into the wing commander universe. you just have to find ships and fighters to represent them. B5, star trek, star wars, macross and battlestar galactica are easy to find scale ships for.


I assumed that Easy E, as a published wargame designer, wasn't talking about a fan conversion for B5 Wars when he said "I was just thinking about that as a wargame property the other day...."

This ain't no pansy GW Armor, son - Digital Sculpting Plog, Now with Heavy Weapon Platforms!
Sympathy for the Devil, or: The Project Log from Hell

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MN

Well, this one was more for me as a personal thing.....

I can see the confusion for sure!

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Grumpy Longbeard





washington state USA

Did a "little" down scaled battle with the B5 wars rules- fighting with single fighters makes for a very bloody and quick game.

Our goal was to capture the imperial transport....which we did with a lucky hit, the falcon took out the reactor of the transport.....but it cost us everything save the B-wing and Y-wing.


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 Easy E wrote:
I am sure somewhere in the 3D printed world a swarm of Dralthi waits......


Yes, yes they do...

https://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=Dralthi&type=things&sort=relevant

Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!

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Regular Dakkanaut




Yarkshire

I still have the Babylon 5 ACTA rules and additional books, played quite a bit with my son as he grew up, as the Miniatures went OOP they became unbelievably expensive. Another Mongoose Publishing screw up.

Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer

   
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Grumpy Longbeard





washington state USA

Since this topic is still here let me add to it.

More B5 wars- star wars-tonight it was a simple raid mission.

A small rebel raiding force consisting of an

.MC78
.rebel assault frigate
.X2 hammerheads

attempts to destroy an imperial XQL platform


Thanks to the luck of the random starting locations the rebel fleet jumped into the system right on top of a pair of patrolling imperial cruiser-a broad sword missile cruiser and an imperial strike cruiser.








The battle was quick and brutal. it looked like the rebels may have had the upperhand loosing all but the MC78 being totally un damaged while the remaining imperial ship had taken heavy damage...


...and then something silly happened. in the next exchange of fire, the Imperial cruiser scored a critical hit on it's final shot and like a magic beebee it scored a killing blow on the MC78s shield generator leaving it suddenly naked...forcing the rebel ship to disengage for a hard fought imperial victory.


Thanks to star wars armada for great minis as well as mel miniatures on shapeways for the expanded universe ships to use in our games-more to come in the future, our next scheduled game takes up back to the clone wars. see you then.





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