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How do!

So a while back I started a thread asking that if you were a Captain, which SciFi ship would you most want to be your command. And it proved rather fun as a topic.

This time, I want to hear your thoughts on your ideal fleet. I’m not overly keen on applying rules to such discussions, as half the discussion becomes about those rules, rather than the topic at hand. So I’ll leave it to you. What I will ask is that peeps refrain from simply “infinite Super Star Destroyers”. The reason why is that I want to hear your reasons for picking specific ships.

I’d also like you to define your fleet’s purpose - exploration, siege, war etc.

Beyond that request? Feel free to mix up SciFi properties, factions and even eras. Get cherry picking. I only ask you wax lyrical about your choices (maybe throw in some wiki type links?)

   
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SoCal

Is this an invitation for balls-adjacent-to-walls minmaxxing of Sci fi properties? Like, would it be valid to say I want to use the Lensman Civilization’s industrial capacity to build a fleet of Culture Minds crewed by Starfleet Officers trained in all the uses of mind and ki by Namekian sages and Bene Gesserit reverend mothers?

   
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I mean, I’d urge some restraint?

But so long as I get a cool explanation and inspiration for further reading?

   
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I'll just keep it simple:
All the Enterprises.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I mean, I’d urge some restraint?

But so long as I get a cool explanation and inspiration for further reading?


Well, Doc Smith was the master of industrial scale porn: invent it on Monday, prototype by Wednesday, millions-strong fleet by Sunday, planet-sized deluxe version by Christmas. The Lensmen series was basically Babylon 5 meets Green Lantern written back when “computer” meant slide-rule.

The Culture is like Star Trek, especially DS9, taken all the way up to 11.

The Bene Gesserit completely mastered the mind and bred humans to become psychic (essentially).

The Namekians or Namek-seijin are aliens from Dragonball who can use ki to fly, heal people, blow up planets, and create wish dragons. The setting is full of beings personally capable of destroying planets, who all travel around in spaceships the size of cramped golf carts. And characters visit the afterlife frequently, not necessarily only by dying.

I believe you are familiar with Starfleet.

   
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A better-balanced Star-Wars Imperial fleet would work well.

The Empire had access to a good variety of ship designs. All the way from the Gozanti and Arquetens and Carrack class escorts or light crusiers; Escort carriers; Dreadnaught, Venator, Victory and Interdictor class cruisers, Imperal Star Destroyers, and even the Super/Executor class.

There are ships for every role in that mix. Some of them, like the Carrack, are absolute death against starfighters, something the Empire is traditionally very weak against. I'd have a flotilla of Carracks attached to every fleet, and probably assign an extra pair to every capital ship as dedicated escorts.

And let's face it, you just can't beat the strategic mobility of SW hyperdrive. Crossing the galaxy in a matter of hours? Yes please!

EDIT: One big change. Ventral weapons mounted on every ship. There's no reason to have the entire underside of the ship virtually undefended. I'd also consider adding more point-defense to the capital ships as well, even with the extra Carracks.

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I've always imagined some sort of very light, but very fast and stealthy craft. Small, but damn-near invisible, good for slipping in unnoticed and planting a boarding team or a small nuclear device. Such a craft would be very advanced but extremely expensive (similar to the modern-day B-2) and hence would only be used when absolutely necessary.

I'm also surprised there haven't been more sci-fi references to Q-ships, heavily armed cruisers disguised as unarmed merchant ships, good for ambushing approaching pirates or hostiles.
   
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 Vulcan wrote:
A better-balanced Star-Wars Imperial fleet would work well.

The Empire had access to a good variety of ship designs. All the way from the Gozanti and Arquetens and Carrack class escorts or light crusiers; Escort carriers; Dreadnaught, Venator, Victory and Interdictor class cruisers, Imperal Star Destroyers, and even the Super/Executor class.

There are ships for every role in that mix. Some of them, like the Carrack, are absolute death against starfighters, something the Empire is traditionally very weak against. I'd have a flotilla of Carracks attached to every fleet, and probably assign an extra pair to every capital ship as dedicated escorts.

And let's face it, you just can't beat the strategic mobility of SW hyperdrive. Crossing the galaxy in a matter of hours? Yes please!

EDIT: One big change. Ventral weapons mounted on every ship. There's no reason to have the entire underside of the ship virtually undefended. I'd also consider adding more point-defense to the capital ships as well, even with the extra Carracks.


Totally agree! The Imperial fleet is really a beautiful example of verisimilitude in fleet crafting. Honestly, all of the belly vulnerability can be worked around simply by operating as if you're really in a 3d plane. Star Wars runs everything rightside up because it looks cool- but Star Destroyer wings with 2 belly to belly, or 3 pointing their bellies at each other around a Carrack would be far more efficient formations. Plus it would allow you to divert shield power with ease when under fire.

As a dream fleet- just give the Imperial capital ships the Rebel fighters. Imagine each Star Destroyer dumping out 72 A-wings, or X-wings instead of TIE fighters. The idea of the fighters being hyper capable as well allows you to just drop a huge fighter wing on your opponents, or jump them in after combat is engaged. Diverting one fighter to hyper out, tell the rest of your fleet where to come in, and dropping them behind your opponents would be incredibly easy with this fleet.

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Eh, you want a mix of capabilities in your fighters - even an ImpStar doesn't just drop 72 standard TIE Fighters. IIRC, the standard load is one squadron of Interceptors, one of Bombers, and four of fighters.

Fortunately, that's an easy one to swap out for OT Rebel fighters - A-Wings for Interceptors, X-Wings for TIE Fighters and, ideally, B-Wings for Bombers.

The big advantage you gain from the Rebel fighter designs is the improved chance that your pilots actually survive the battle to gain experience and become more skilled, thanks to the shields.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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Just a fleet of R-9 fighters, the good people to fly them and "Outer Space" played over the com fleet-wide...give me that...and we shall give you victory.

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 Gitzbitah wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
A better-balanced Star-Wars Imperial fleet would work well.

The Empire had access to a good variety of ship designs. All the way from the Gozanti and Arquetens and Carrack class escorts or light crusiers; Escort carriers; Dreadnaught, Venator, Victory and Interdictor class cruisers, Imperal Star Destroyers, and even the Super/Executor class.

There are ships for every role in that mix. Some of them, like the Carrack, are absolute death against starfighters, something the Empire is traditionally very weak against. I'd have a flotilla of Carracks attached to every fleet, and probably assign an extra pair to every capital ship as dedicated escorts.

And let's face it, you just can't beat the strategic mobility of SW hyperdrive. Crossing the galaxy in a matter of hours? Yes please!

EDIT: One big change. Ventral weapons mounted on every ship. There's no reason to have the entire underside of the ship virtually undefended. I'd also consider adding more point-defense to the capital ships as well, even with the extra Carracks.


Totally agree! The Imperial fleet is really a beautiful example of verisimilitude in fleet crafting. Honestly, all of the belly vulnerability can be worked around simply by operating as if you're really in a 3d plane. Star Wars runs everything rightside up because it looks cool- but Star Destroyer wings with 2 belly to belly, or 3 pointing their bellies at each other around a Carrack would be far more efficient formations. Plus it would allow you to divert shield power with ease when under fire.

As a dream fleet- just give the Imperial capital ships the Rebel fighters. Imagine each Star Destroyer dumping out 72 A-wings, or X-wings instead of TIE fighters. The idea of the fighters being hyper capable as well allows you to just drop a huge fighter wing on your opponents, or jump them in after combat is engaged. Diverting one fighter to hyper out, tell the rest of your fleet where to come in, and dropping them behind your opponents would be incredibly easy with this fleet.


For an ISD, I'd have the TIE fighters just hang close for point defense. You put more conventional strike fighters like the X-, Y-, B- and A-wings on Venators, with their far larger hangars. From Wookiepedia : "Prior to the formation of the Galactic Empire, a typical Republic Venator carried a complement of 420 fighters: 192 V-wing or V-19 Torrent starfighters, 192 Eta-2 Actis-class interceptors, and at least 36 ARC-170 starfighters." I'd imagine you could easily fit over 300, perhaps as many as 400 strike fighters on one Venator. Now THAT would be one heck of a fighter strike.

The Carrack isn't as tiny as a CR-90 Corellian corvette, but closer to the size of a Nebulon B. Surround it by 3 ISDs and it's fire lanes are going to be quite thoroughly blocked. That also wastes it's exceptional speed for it's size, it can actually keep up with a T-65 X-Wing at full power, and run down B- and Y-Wings fairly easily.

The Nebulon-B's were no slouches at anti-fighter work as well. was reasonably fast, AND was an Imperial design that found it's way into Rebel service. YouTuber EC Henry does an interesting video on what his take on the base Nebulon-B might look like before the Rebels get their hands on it and strip it down here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz13rwQpUd4

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As much as I love star trek, I'd have to go imperial starfleet from star wars and since a fleet's only as good as it's command staff I'd want grand admiral thrawn as my military adviser. He was pretty much the model of a great military leader.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
How do!

So a while back I started a thread asking that if you were a Captain, which SciFi ship would you most want to be your command. And it proved rather fun as a topic.

This time, I want to hear your thoughts on your ideal fleet. I’m not overly keen on applying rules to such discussions, as half the discussion becomes about those rules, rather than the topic at hand. So I’ll leave it to you. What I will ask is that peeps refrain from simply “infinite Super Star Destroyers”. The reason why is that I want to hear your reasons for picking specific ships.

I’d also like you to define your fleet’s purpose - exploration, siege, war etc.

Beyond that request? Feel free to mix up SciFi properties, factions and even eras. Get cherry picking. I only ask you wax lyrical about your choices (maybe throw in some wiki type links?)


I must have missed that other topic because my choice for the personal command is always

the sol bianca



As far as a fleet goes it really depends on it's job.

I mean if you want a siege style warfleet something like a zentradi fleet from macross would fit the bill, however if your just projecting power/waving the flag a smaller force like the one in IMPs based around the revenge class imperial super carrier would fit the bill.








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Can I have this fleet?



Because nothing says "tails I win, heads you lose" like a Dalek war fleet...

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
Can I have this fleet?



Because nothing says "tails I win, heads you lose" like a Dalek war fleet...


Not sure why those show up as dead images for me...

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
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That is weird. Suffice to say its a Dalek war fleet. Lets try this one.


Daleks, when you care enough to send the very best.

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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They can't be all that great, they keep losing to a guy with a screwdriver... Any PC ship of any franchise should be able to take them handily.

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So yes, space fleets, I love space fleets, aircraft carriers, submarines and battleships in space, makes no @#$%ing sense but I love them.

Since we're talking fictional fleets, it's easy to go to town with power and take Tardis/Borg Cube/Death Star alliance. It would be like naming your ideal superhero team as Odin, the Spectre and God from the Savage Dragon.

But to my mind they have one job over all others. Tell an interesting story.

For example it always bugged me that Star Fleet sends out one ship on an exploration mission, especially given how many times these solo ships are disabled or destroyed. Even in 1492 they know to send 3 at a time.

So a Trek show with a flotilla of an Excelsior, a Miranda and an Oberth would be an interesting format. Especally if they have distinct captains, say a human, an Andoran and a Vulcan.



But that would probably be impossible on TV still too alike for the audience. But a similar premise where oh, a Federation, Klingon and Ferengi ship have to go on an exploration mission might work.

Moving over to Star Wars, perhaps a rebel squadron with a Mon Calamari ship (filled with water, they are amphibians IIRC), a pirate/smuggler ship and an ex-Alderan navy ship trying to do things by the book would have a lot of potential for drama.

And of course Battle Stars and Super Dimensional Fortresses spewing out fighters is just too cool an idea. I can't tell you a damn thing about Macross Frontier's characters or plot (I am like 80% certain it had both), but I can describe some of the mecha space battles in exhausting detail.




(The only thing cooler than the walking battleship turret of the Macross Monster is a Monster that turns into a space shuttle for battles. )

Taking it to 40k, maybe a Rogue Trader in his luxurious floating palace working with a straight-laced navy captain and mysterious Inquisition ship loaded with Xeno-tech. Just the description gives me ideas.





 
   
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Valkyrie try the Honor Harrington series for Q ship action. They play a prominent role in the 1st and 6th book. For a Sci-fi naval story I want Taffy-3 in space...

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 Llamahead wrote:
Valkyrie try the Honor Harrington series for Q ship action. They play a prominent role in the 1st and 6th book. For a Sci-fi naval story I want Taffy-3 in space...


Book 2 of that series isn't far off...

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SoCal

Kid Kyoto, I’m confused. Why would you send an Excelsior, a Miranda and an expanding cloud of gas on an exploration mission? Wouldn’t the rapidly-cooling debris interfere with scanners?

   
 
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