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2021/03/04 17:55:48
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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Hi all. Another noob question. I suspect this is an easy one but I just can't find the rule anywhere. When I declare that I want to supercharge my plasma inceptors, do I have to supercharge the entire unit or can I declare for just a specific model(s). Obviously there's a big difference with regard to risk mitigation.
Thanks everyone.
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2021/03/04 18:14:28
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Norn Queen
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Solid_jr wrote:Hi all. Another noob question. I suspect this is an easy one but I just can't find the rule anywhere. When I declare that I want to supercharge my plasma inceptors, do I have to sulerge the entire unit or can I declare for just a specific model(s). Obviously there's a big difference with regard to risk mitigation.
Thanks everyone.
Each model chooses which profile to fire individually.
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2021/03/04 18:37:00
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Confessor Of Sins
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Isn’t it each weapon must choose a profile? So you could overcharge one of a models two weapons but not the second?
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2021/03/04 18:38:11
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Would it really matter? If one overheats, the fact that the second might, is completely irrelevant.
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2021/03/04 18:57:03
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Would it really matter? If one overheats, the fact that the second might, is completely irrelevant.
It certainly is relevant. You choose the profile before shooting. You have to have decided the profiles you're using before shooting either, and there's almost twice the chance of overheating if you supercharge 2 than only one. If you roll the supercharged one first and it didn't overheat. then you're not going to overheat shooting the second one since it's not supercharged. You don't get to choose firing the second based on the results of the first weapon;
Almost twice the chance of overheating over supercharging only 1 weapon is certainly relevant.
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2021/03/04 19:13:41
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Norn Queen
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alextroy wrote:Isn’t it each weapon must choose a profile? So you could overcharge one of a models two weapons but not the second?
Correct, my apologies for not being more explict.
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2021/03/04 19:46:29
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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You see, once again this could be so easily avoided by a profile that combines both weapons. get 6 shots, if one is a 1, model dies. Didn't that used to be called "Twin linked" or am I thinking of something else?
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2021/03/04 19:47:00
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:You see, once again this could be so easily avoided by a profile that combines both weapons. get 6 shots, if one is a 1, model dies. Didn't that used to be called "Twin linked" or am I thinking of something else?
I think "twin-linked" weapons used to just let you re-roll attacks.
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2021/03/04 19:51:56
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Octopoid wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:You see, once again this could be so easily avoided by a profile that combines both weapons. get 6 shots, if one is a 1, model dies. Didn't that used to be called "Twin linked" or am I thinking of something else?
I think "twin-linked" weapons used to just let you re-roll attacks.
Yes,that was what twin-linked used to mean. Now it just means double the shots of a single version of the weapon
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2021/03/04 21:48:31
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Strictly speaking it means nothing.
In practice its just a name now the profiles attached to that name all have profiles that are equivalent to two basics
But the term itself has no bearing or rules attached to it
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2021/03/04 23:43:28
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Confessor Of Sins
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:You see, once again this could be so easily avoided by a profile that combines both weapons. get 6 shots, if one is a 1, model dies. Didn't that used to be called "Twin linked" or am I thinking of something else?
It’s a feature, not a bug. You can split your fire if you have two weapons.
And twin-linked weapons had the same number of attacks as a normal weapon but rerolled misses. Now they are Twin Weapons that have twice the attacks.
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2021/05/11 17:05:50
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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So, to clarify, twin linked weapons must all target the same unit then? Doesnt that make them ever so slightly worse than just having two separate identical weapons?
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2021/05/11 17:08:57
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Lord of the Fleet
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Solid_jr wrote:So, to clarify, twin linked weapons must all target the same unit then? Doesnt that make them ever so slightly worse than just having two separate identical weapons?
If you mean Twin weapons, which generally speaking anything that used to be Twin-Linked now is, then yes you they must. They're literally one of the weapons with double the shots from a rules perspective.
If on the other hand a model has two of a weapon, then no, they can target different units.
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2021/05/15 13:13:21
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Regular Dakkanaut
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As been said you have to declare what all weapon profiles you are using before rolling dice.
You can choose to overcharge one gun and not the other.
One thing to remember though you are supposed to fire both guns separately, so if you do overcharge and roll a 1, you die before getting to shoot your second weapon.
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2021/05/15 14:40:50
Subject: Re:Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Shoot the not overcharged weapon first.
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2022/04/04 22:35:42
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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khsofsos wrote:As been said you have to declare what all weapon profiles you are using before rolling dice.
You can choose to overcharge one gun and not the other.
One thing to remember though you are supposed to fire both guns separately, so if you do overcharge and roll a 1, you die before getting to shoot your second weapon.
I am fairly certain you are incorrect.
If you choose to overcharge both plasma on one model and one explodes you get to shoot with the other anyways as your model technically speaking shoots all weapons simultaneously.
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2022/04/05 00:09:59
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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alextroy wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:You see, once again this could be so easily avoided by a profile that combines both weapons. get 6 shots, if one is a 1, model dies. Didn't that used to be called "Twin linked" or am I thinking of something else?
It’s a feature, not a bug. You can split your fire if you have two weapons.
And twin-linked weapons had the same number of attacks as a normal weapon but rerolled misses. Now they are Twin Weapons that have twice the attacks.
Unless you're talking 2nd Ed, in which case you roll to hit and then double the successes.
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2022/04/05 09:31:28
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Platuan4th wrote: alextroy wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:You see, once again this could be so easily avoided by a profile that combines both weapons. get 6 shots, if one is a 1, model dies. Didn't that used to be called "Twin linked" or am I thinking of something else?
It’s a feature, not a bug. You can split your fire if you have two weapons.
And twin-linked weapons had the same number of attacks as a normal weapon but rerolled misses. Now they are Twin Weapons that have twice the attacks.
Unless you're talking 2nd Ed, in which case you roll to hit and then double the successes.
2nd had at least 5 different ways of treating twin linked
-twin boltgun (combi bolters) worked as you say - make one shot, score two hits
-twin boltgun (storm bolters), 2 single shot guns combined to make a one sustained fire dice gun
-twin lascannon, had the exact firepower of one lascannon, but could manipulate where it hit on a vehicle damage location a bit
-twin sustained fire weapons, doubled up the number of sustained fire dice (and jammed so often that they usually had a lower overall rate of fire)
-twin heavy flamer (immolater), gigantic double width custom template
For plasma inceptors, splitting fire and mixing the profiles can be relevant when one target just isn't worth overcharging so it's good to have the option as it reduces your chance of self harm.
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2022/04/05 12:13:49
Subject: Suoercharge plasma inceptors
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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See the BRB p 21, "|f a unit shoots with multiple weapons, all attacks made with weapons that have the same profile must be resolved before
resolving attacks with the next."
It's not optional per the "must". If you fire two, or more, of the same weapon profiles at the same target all of the attacks must be made before you resolve other types of attacks.
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